Thx a lot for comment. Sure i know these cards. Played em hard in BU variation. But with more and more games i decided that counterspell for same manacost which counter more spells and opponent lose 2 lives for extra level of ascension is bigger deal. Same with shred memory and surgical extraction. cheaper and mor effective.
plus this deck can win after side as creature aggro.
March 23, 2017 2:42 p.m.
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March 30, 2017 8:40 a.m.
Nice list- you considered Nihil Spellbomb to grow those goyfs? Volcanic Fallout or Jund Charm in place of Kozilek's Return, to dodge the 3 mana Anger of the Gods hitting your own creatures although you did mention minor mana issues? I don't really have much to add, the deck reads like a 'best 1 and 2 drops in modern, so its gonna be interesting to streamline. Sitting so low on the curve leaves me feeling like there might be some dumb options for cards, but my mind is pulling a blank. Devastating Summons is one of the few cards I could see working here as a 1-of to take advantage of the low curve if you're finding your hand regularly empty and lands useless, but the slot would usually be better as a Raging Ravine in that case. Only thing I'd change would be adding my filter lands, but I'd test Violent Outburst as a way to get a free card at instant speed- Bloodbraid Elf was broken as all hell, theres no reason its little brother couldn't find a place when curves are lower.
March 28, 2017 6:28 p.m.
I'll reccomend Thrive/Tezzeret's Gambit from my +1/+1 brews. There are evolve creatures like Shambleshark that could fit well here, especially if you choose to run Mystic Snake. That card just doesn't get enough love.
March 28, 2017 12:41 p.m.
OK, so modern is considered a turn 4 format- this means that you are going to have to ramp and ramp hard, with anything more than around 5 cmc almost impossible to play without tricking it in. To that end, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx/Genesis Wave are the traditional way to pull it off with a haste enabler.- look for genesis wave decks and mono green stompy for the two current archetypes.To start, Brawn and Ravenous Baloth are unfortunately not modern legal, meaning if you're playing modern, you'll need something else.
You are either going to want bigger creatures and tricks like Summoning Trap or Dramatic Entrance to trick things, or a lot more ramp- Mana Bloom Sakura-Tribe Elder and Search for Tomorrow perhaps to transition into bigger spells, and creatures to help you survive those first four turns- Brindle Boar against burn etc. If your aim is to resolve Garruk's Horde, you may want it alongside some topdeck control like Courser of Kruphix to help keep casting cards.
Remember that most people can spend one mana to remove a creature at instant speed with Path to Exile and Despise to strip key cards from your hand, so you will want either creatures that can protect themselves or spells to protect them- Vines of Vastwood, Blossoming Defense, Asceticism/Archetype of Endurance , Dungrove Elder, Heroic Intervention Plated Crusher etc.
The main thing is you are going to have to ensure there is an appropriate mana curve to your deck- you want lots of spells in the 1-2-3 slots, which can then power the 4-5-6 slots to keep you in the game. If thats smooth, your hands will have less 'blank cards' and your deck will be a lot more reliable, which is really important if you're taking 10 damage turn 3.
The most important though, is to build something you find fun, because whats most powerful is rarely the most fun,and thats why we play the game. A deck you've worked on, tested, feels smooth and is enjoyable is probably the most important thing.
March 28, 2017 11:03 a.m.
Experiment One Cloudfin Raptor and Avatar of the Resolute are really, really strong in decks like this, particularly if you chose to run Vines of Vastwood and other hexproof effects in place of collosal might. Heroic Intervention will help deal with boardwipes, and Inspiring Call will do similar, but card draw. A lot of your creatures provide scaling mid-to-late game presence, but there aren't tools to survive the earlygame in the deck. I'd reccomend Anger of the Gods and lots counterspells if you want to keep the creatures as 5 drops or slow like vorel. U/R/G provides some interesting non Winding Constrictor tools, you should abuse them heavily. Creature protection, primarily effects like Spell Rupture and Unified Will, and ramp like Rishkar, Peema Renegade will enable max performance for the deck. If you find yourself stalling out, consider sources of ongoing lifegain like Spike Feeder/Kitchen Finks and Asceticism.Most of all, good luck and have fun testing.
March 28, 2017 8:49 a.m.
I've seen a bunch of lists like this- budget rock variants are completely legit. I'll reccomend Burning Inquiry over Distress, or run Despise, Duress or Blackmail. Raven's Crime can provide some longevity to the gameplan. You seem to have enough damage mainboard, but I'd consider some Stingscourger action or something to deal with aggressive creatures and an aggressive sideboard, but all told it looks ok.
March 28, 2017 6:45 a.m.
Norin the Wary doesn't work like that, its Ghostway not Cloudshift. Anyways, I really like legion loyalist as a one of here. Have you considered a one of Decoction Module just to trick them into sideboarding artifact hate in anticipation of a combo?
March 26, 2017 5:23 p.m.
Ok, thats a nice solid start and a strong idea. Modern is a turn 4 format- usually non-casual games are decided by turn four in one players favour, so most cards are at the 1-2 cmc, with key cards castable turn three. I love the idea of a kor firewalker/dash setup, it has a lot of potential, especially running a lot of removal. So lets start by looking at cards, costs and interactions and alternative multiple copies. Basically, the deck as you described it should run two sets of cards- things to enter the battlefield or benefit from entering the battlefield, or things that remove your opponents threats so you can grind out a win.
Removal- Fumigate, Flame Slash, Lightning Bolt, Stasis Snare all fantastic, with this setup Blessed Alliance, Celestial Flare, Immolating Glare are all options, with Leave No Trace, Radiant Purge, Disenchant, Urgent Exorcism and Valorous Stance, with the traditional red Smash to Smithereens and the like.
Engine- Kor Firewalker ( dragon claw ? it dodges boardwipes) Ajani's Pridemate , Screamreach Brawler, Mardu Scout, (Foundry Street Denizen, Dragon Fodder, Mogg War Marshal (possibly a single Cathars' Crusade), Spirit Bonds, Impact Tremors, Mantle of Leadership!!, Pandemonium, Soul Warden/Soul's Attendant, Countless Gears Renegade, Banisher Priest, Blade Splicer, Cloudform etc
Things I'd cut - Shivan Dragon(classic, but reducing the mana costs of the deck mean stuff hits the battlefield faster and you can run less lands) Resolute Blademaster Cinder Hellion Belligerent Whiptail too slow to cast when you need them, need you to already be winning to work. Fireball Heat Ray Armored Ascension Lust for War- slow and don't suit your gameplan of bouncing creatures for effect.
Interesting cards to consider- Legion's Initiative, damage, can protect your creatures by bouncing them, You could consider looking at the white Cloudform flicker archetype, soul sisters Soul Warden decks and RDW, which with key cards being reprinted may provide some good options. There is probably a card that has exactly the effect you want or need if you look for it, so its more about imagining what you want to be doing, and checking it can be done efficiently enough to work.
The key part of it all is sideboard- this is how budget decks thrive in the modern envoronment. Cards to specifically mess with opponents, Disenchant key artifacts, Deflecting Palm a big creature into an opponents face, Combust key creatures in control decks. Its all there with the weird, optional, situation specific cards. Test your deck, see what works and what doesn't before commiting, then go out and play, because your playgroup and metagame will not condform to whatever is out here in the world, and what is best might not be fun to pilot, and thats the whole point of playing. Don't be scared of playing on a tiny budget, there are a lot of cards that have fallen out of vogue and have low prices not because of how good they are but because they are unpopular eg.Nevermore. You can absolutely win most games by piloting well, even against the best decks and players with planning and a little luck.
March 26, 2017 2:10 p.m.
"i don't think mono black zombies is viable in competitive modern"I've won several fnms with mono black zombies against teir 1 decks. Just because your playgroup doesn't have a strong enough pilot doesn't mean it isn't viable. There are a lot of broken, undescovered decks out there simply because it is impossible to chart all the card interactions and identify what is strongest. People who say otherwise ignore that the folks who test and build the tier 1 decks that take over tournaments often err massively in their assesment of the metagame, even after extensive testing. Just look at most of the major articles on deckbuilding- modern is a format where noone can plan for every eventuality and even the 'best' cards have viable alternatives.
March 26, 2017 6 a.m.
Turn 5 Win-No Creatures copy- heres what I'm seeing, more cards cast from the yard, more powerful, randomised draw, and ways to pull helix out the yard.
March 25, 2017 5:07 p.m.
I've got a list running helix for cruel ultimatum in grixis with Raven's Crime, so Flame Jab is a good shout, as you just need two in the yard and one in hand. Pyromancer Ascension is another interesting choice, Burning Inquiry exists, as does Goblin Lore and Shattered Perception. Simian Spirit Guide for faster combo.Ignorant Bliss would be interesting as sb against discard, and useful if you had another way to cast worldfire. Reroute has potential, but only in specific matchups, Manamorphose is traditional in the Thragtusk/Worldfire lists. Young Pyromancer could provide board presence in such a spell heavy list. Its really tricky to make suggestions, as what is currently here is a super unreliable 'combo as fast as possible' list, while the best form of it likely has a backup plan and runs a little differently, threatening other combo and providing other spellweaver interactions. You could probably drop a pair of Time Stretch to take infinite turns in pretty simply. Threatening a spellweavered Devil's Play, or Past in Flames.
Most of this type of list run other colours for their specialties to help stall the game, blue for counterspells and digging, black for hand disruption and removal, green for large blockers, abrupt lifegain and ramp, or white for removal and protective spells/enchantments. It tends to make it a little less budget though, so that should be kept in mind. Running pure search spells in blue has potential, treating combo peices as dead cards, and threatening Spellweaver Volute. Once again, a different list.
March 25, 2017 4:45 p.m.
I'd consider Damping Matrix in place of stony silence if you want to cut white.
March 25, 2017 7:19 a.m.
Cut bump for more grenade if you can, although it is a cheaper Lava Spike. Running no black spells like Terminate in the sideboard mean the colour is pretty much not needed- spike jester is super fun, and I'd love to see lorwyn stlye Frogtosser Banneret/Boggart Mob/Scout's Warning type shenanigans but I feel like the concept needs some work- what are the key interactions and cards that make those colours neccesary? Fatal Push? Disenchant? Rise of the Hobgoblins/Mardu Ascendancy? It just feels a little thrown together, untested. Some of this is purely dedicated to rushing an opponent, and others to a more midrange strategy, but those parts haven't been chosen to work together. The card draw from a Phyrexian Arena would likely let you last better into the midgame than 3-4 turns spent protecting krenko from Path to Exile, especially running a little more lifegain from helix. Siege-Gang Commander would provide some spot removal for affinity and similar, and Voracious Dragon would let you close out a game if you can protect a board of goblins.
If you have failed to close out a game with a burn deck, that usually means you need a 'boom, I win' type card rather than one that grows over time, and anything that plans on growing over time needs to be removal-resistant. Cards reliant on your opponent not having wiped you are inadvisable, as are cards that trade 1-for-1 in these higher slots.
March 24, 2017 5:05 p.m.
Interesting setup. K-command will help with the affinity matchup, but I'm trying to figure out where it'd fit. Personally, I'd swap the scullers for Rotting Rats, freeing up some space with the Faithless Looting self discard for more hand disruption- likely 3 rotting rats, a Nezumi Bone-Reader 2 k-command and 2 thoughtseize in the looting/sculler slots. It might not suit your meta, as you've already cut the higher cost card slots.Eidolon of the Great Revel/Nether Traitor/Shared Animosity/Topplegeist might work more solidly if you're planning on rushing your opponent down before they can react to all the disruption, but its super gimicky and loses out to exile effects.All told, it looks like a really solid attempt at that low cost Dark Confidant/discard aggro archetype, and I can't really suggest any flat upgrades. It feels like it could abuse sacrifice effects, even just to dodge path, but I'm having trouble finding a slot for Greater Gargadon. Really nice setup +1 Keep tinkering.
March 24, 2017 5:53 a.m.
March 23, 2017 1:29 p.m.
I'm loving the idea, have you considered Marrow Shards/Rain of Blades/Thunderstaff? Its a little faster than secure the wastes for trading, although it can't handle swan song/pongify. Black has access to the terrifying Night of Souls' Betrayal which would make this really kick butt, and give Esper Charm and Flaying Tendrils access, but that makes the mana tricky. Palace Guard has potential, but I'd rather see some Condemn as spot removal. Darksteel Mutation also exists, but grants indestructable. Searing Light exists, but i'm feeling like that would trade poorly compared to Arrow Volley Trap.Blade Splicer, Attended Knight and Precinct Captain would all trade well and provide a stronger creature base should you desire it.
All told, I really like the idea and list.
March 23, 2017 9:29 a.m.
well, that and ghost quarter/pithing needle. You'll have trouble against the all in aggro lists as well, but overall it really looks good. I'd reccomend Collective Brutality for stabilising those more aggressive matchups turn three, but this is one of the best setups I've seen for shadowborn/extraction.
March 22, 2017 5:47 p.m.
Akroma, Angel of Fury is super traditional for blink lists like this and completely devastating. Just blink the face down morph.
March 22, 2017 9:39 a.m.
Have you considered Mechanized Production as an alternative to aether grid? the likely time for a successful kill is comparable and it would ease mana concerns. Splashing red solely for blood moon, while cute and potentially devastating for land-reliant decks always feels like destabilising a mana base for little gain compared to running alternative inhibitors like Fulminator Mage given the already present black mana.
March 22, 2017 9:26 a.m.
I'll reccomend Call the Bloodline and Asylum Visitor sb to help compete with other aggro lists. Nighthawk and aetherborn are used in this kind of lists as the lifegain and trading potential are basically unmatched in these colours when coupled with stromkirk captain. Skip madcap in favour of Banshee's Blade or Blade of the Bloodchief as the reusability and power/toughness boosts are amazing, and remember that black has Duress,Vendetta and similar tricks. Good luck.
March 22, 2017 6:55 a.m.
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