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Selesnya Signet Discussion
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1 month ago
Hey, looks good for your first Commander deck. You haven't finished the manabase? Nice Ugin, the Spirit Dragon :)
What's the max budget for your deck? I ask because you haven't allocated yet for lands in the manabase. 35x basic lands is not going to work when you want to pay for spells. When playing five colors the manabase and the amount of color fixing you have in your deck is very important. If you don't make these things priority to focus on getting right then your deck will have a difficult time functioning when playing so many colors.
You have a good start by including the budget land ramp spells ( Cultivate , Sakura-Tribe Elder ), but you're going to want a lot more than just these spells for both ramp and more importantly for color fixing. You can build a five color manabase on a budget with basic lands using some dual lands that have interaction with basic lands, Tri lands and other budget lands.
Here's an example:
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Cascading Cataracts
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
- Mystic Monastery
- Opulent Palace
- Frontier Bivouac
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Seaside Citadel
- Nomad Outpost
- Prairie Stream
- Cinder Glade
- Sunken Hollow
- Woodland Cemetery
- Sunpetal Grove
- Dragonskull Summit
- Yavimaya Coast
- Battlefield Forge
- Caves of Koilos
- Llanowar Wastes
- 8x Forest
- 2x Island
- 2x Plains
- 2x Mountain
- 2x Swamp
This example manabase is not ideal by any means, but it's low budget and a starting point for future upgrades. Sunken, Glade or Stream are dual lands that Farseek can search for since they're two different land types. Being able to land ramp with a dual land with Farseek makes Farseek better and helps with color fixing.
A budget manabase like this example can use color fixing from other nonland sources. Signets and other budget mana rocks that can make colored mana and ramp are options.
- Izzet Signet
- Selesnya Signet
- Dimir Signet
- Boros Signet
- Golgari Signet
- Fellwar Stone or Arcane Signet
- Commander's Sphere or Chromatic Lantern
With Signets you can pay for the colorless mana cost with mana from any source such as a land. That mana then turns into two different colors of mana. For example if you have two Signets on the battlefield and two lands then that mana can be four different colors of mana. In this manabase example there's more green sources than others that's because green is the enabler color to help to get all the other colors with land ramp and mana dorks. There's more green than the rest because you consistently want to have green mana in the early game.
- Joiner Adept or Chromatic Lantern
- Paradise Druid or Birds of Paradise
- Faeburrow Elder
- Fertile Ground
Joiner Adept lets you tap lands for any color of mana which is great color fixing when playing five colors. Chromatic Lantern is a more expensive price card that does the same thing and it's better because it also ramps. Faeburrow Elder and Paradise Druid are called mana dorks and either one can tap to make different colors of mana. Faeburrow by itself can tap to make two mana . With Jodah, Archmage Eternal on the battlefield it can make four mana . If you have Jodah and have a permanent on the battlefield that's black then Faeburrow can tap to make all five colors of mana.
Fertile Ground is an example of another source of color fixing/ramp that's different than the rest. It's an aura that enchants a land you control. When the enchanted land is tapped it makes two colors of mana; one mana that the land could produce and another mana of any color you choose.
Color fixing sources that also ramp are better than ones that don't. If you can as the saying goes "kill two birds with one stone" then it can help your deck. Including most cards that can do two different things you want are better than cards that can only do one thing you want. For example Cultivate ramps and color fixes since it can find two different basic lands. Izzet Signet taps to ramp and color fix two different colors of mana. Renegade Map only color fixes, it doesn't ramp because it only puts the land you search for into your hand not onto the battlefield and it can't tap to make mana.
Sylvan Scrying is one exception since it can tutor (search your library) for any one land and put it into your hand. That's powerful and helpful to have when you can get a land that can make any color of mana such as Command Tower or better yet Cascading Cataracts which can tap along with five other sources of mana of any colors to make all five different colors of mana. This land makes it easy to be able to make five different colors to cast spells with Jodah. Cataracts is good with ramp from mana rocks.
I have suggested a lot of cards which means if you want to include them then you'll have to make many cuts. I'm not going to give you suggestions of cuts now, but if you're interested in any of these suggestions then I offer to help to make cuts. This is the nature of building budget many colored decks in Commander; have to allocate a lot of deck spots to cards to help the manabase and to make sure your deck can function, so you can reliably cast cards. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Changes made on 9/22/19:
IN: + Nature's Lore , + Talisman of Unity , + Talisman of Curiosity , + Mana Confluence , + City of Brass , + Flooded Grove , + Path of Ancestry , + Bountiful Promenade , + Mana Reflection , + Biomantic Mastery
The land and mana rock swaps were made to allow us to produce more green mana (in turn allowing us to donate more hippos). Signets removed in favor of Talismans because if all our lands can produce , a Signet would not help us give another hippo whereas a Talisman would.
Boundless Realms was removed in favor of Mana Reflection since Reflection costs less and can potentially provide extra mana the turn it is played. Also, Reflection doubles mana gained from nonland sources as well.
Mind's Eye removed in favor of Biomantic Mastery. Mind's Eye requires continual mana investment, and that mana could be spent giving out hippos. Biomantic Mastery has the potential to find our combo pieces and allow us to win the turn it is played.
2 months ago
2 months ago
These are musts IMO, then, I see you are running no ramp at all: Simic Signet , Azorius Signet and Selesnya Signet and since you are running green you have access to: Cultivate , Kodama's Reach etc etc, you could certainly cut off some creatures to make this bad boy even scarier, and in a more competitive way, there is Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin / Eternal Scourge since that will give you infinite draw and land drops. My version is by far any competitive, I made a Druid tribal EDH with him, so if you want to catch up some ideas, here is the list! :) Tales to be Told
3 months ago
I would start off by adding check lands: Clifftop Retreat , Rootbound Crag , and Sunpetal Grove . Then, I would add the other fetch lands: Wooded Foothills and Windswept Heath . Then, you should either add the signets ( Boros Signet , Gruul Signet , and Selesnya Signet ) or the Filter lands ( Rugged Prairie , Fire-Lit Thicket , and Wooded Bastion ). And finally, I would add the Boros Horizon land Sunbaked Canyon . But otherwise, nice deck, it's well built. If you found and of these suggestions useful I would appreciate it if you'd upvote my deck: A Deal with the Devil! Good luck on your deck, hope this helps, and have a nice day!
3 months ago
I agree with having more ramp. You can do this through spells, as Chhris suggested, which are good, or you can add some more mana rocks, like the Signets: Selesnya Signet , Gruul Signet , and Boros Signet , and/or the Talismans: Talisman of Conviction , Talisman of Impulse , and Talisman of Unity . I'd prefer to run one or more of these over a mana rock like Gilded Lotus . The Lotus is nice, but when ramp costs 5 CMC, you have to start to wonder if it's really ramp. I'd probably drop the Gruul Keyrune and Thran Dynamo to run some of these cheaper costed mana rocks. But that's my preference, and it would help drop the overall average CMC of your deck, which is pretty high with all the fatties you're running.
I'd look into cutting Warp World and Breath of Life , unless you just really like to mess with the table with Warp World. Breath of Life is a good reanimator spell, but it doesn't seem like it's what your plan with this deck is, and putting in another ramp spell or rock would probably be better served in that slot.
I think Anger would be a good cut, too, as it tends to run better with decks that can just throw it into the bin reliably, as opposed to just waiting for an opponent to kill it for you, or using it as sac fodder. eliakimras suggestion of Rhythm of the Wild is a good one, and if you are looking for another similar spell, Fires of Yavimaya is another budget option.
It looks like a good start, so have fun with it!
3 months ago
Obviously Sol Ring
4 months ago
i think your deck would do well with a few more sac outlets. I think you have three right now, but I may have missed something. My favorites are Goblin Bombardment , Blasting Station (which works well because Atla Palani, Nest Tender 's trigger would untap the blasting station), Fanatical Devotion (for protecting your bigger creatures when someone tries to kill them), Greater Gargadon , and of course High Market . I don't know how many you'd want to run, but I definitely recommend high market, since it doubles as a land.
Birds of Paradise is really good mana ramp and gives any color you need, but since it's a creature, it dies easily, and it'd feel bad if you got it from sacrificing an egg. I'd recommend 2-mana sorceries and artifacts for part of your ramp base, ( Rampant Growth , Nature's Lore , Farseek , Edge of Autumn , Gruul Signet , Selesnya Signet , and Boros Signet ), to avoid getting them from eggs hatching. The reason I'd pick them over Cultivate is because they cost one less to cast and if you play one on turn 2, you can play your commander one turn early.
Selesnya Signet occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
GW (Selesnya): 1.47%
RGW (Naya): 1.67%
GWU (Bant): 0.71%