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Crushing Canopy Discussion
5 days ago
Hey, nice start and if this is really your first deck, great job. You're already building a decent curve which is something that new players find hard to grasp right away.
Consider Thorn Lieutenant, Elvish Clancaller, Chart a Course, Skyrider Patrol, Hadana's Climb Flip and Unclaimed Territory? Looks like you're a fan of Elves :) Currently Thorn and Clancaller are the best two drop Elves. Clancaller is an Elf lord (she gives all other Elves you control +1/+1) she brings the tribal synergies with Elves. She's also a mana sink with Marwyn's mana. For six mana and tapping Clancaller you can tutor for another Clancaller and put it right into play.
Thorn is also a mana sink with mana Elves can make, he can pump himself +4/+4 for six mana. Skyrider is another Elf, he has flying and he can give another Elf you control a +1/+1 counter as well as flying EOT (enter of turn).
Chart is a very good two drop draw spell when you're attacking. Draw two for two mana is good. Climb is one of the better cards to play with Elves if you're playing blue especially with Champion giving it flying and doubling it's power can be game winning. Climb and Skyrider are nice with Marwyn because they can put a counter on her. Territory is a good tribal land for Elves because it can be played turn one naming Elf and then be used to cast Llanowar. Turn two Clancaller or Champion. Turn three Champion or turn four Skyrider.
Consider this creature base with all Elf goodness:
- 4x Llanowar
- 4x Clancaller
- 4x Thorn
- 3x Cowl
- 4x Champion
- 3x Marwyn
- 3x Skyrider
Consider this other spells base:
- 1x Vivien Arkbow
- 3x Impulse
- 4x Chart
- 2x Climb
- 2x Song
I've been playing Elves in Standard for more than three years now. If you're interested check out my deck, Elves of Dominaria (M19). At my deck I go pretty in depth about Elves. The most exciting times are when spoilers are starting and a new Standard set is coming out which is happening soon.
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
I would add more Carnage Tyrants. Either in Main Deck or Sideboard, but they're just so good right now. About the Sideboard, I don't think you need the Crushing Canopys. If they have Enchantements, Brontodon does the work, if they have Flyers, Plummet is enough. I don't like Talons of Wildwood as card, but it's up to you (even though I really think Prodigious Growth). Also, if you don't mind me asking, I'd like to get some people to try Broken Bonds for me. Hope I helped, gl hf !
1 month ago
I would suggest that Thrashing Brontodon would be in the main with Naturalize being to better version in the sideboard. How do you do Vs Lyra Dawnbringer, and Glorybringer? maybe run 2 Naturalize 1 Crushing Canopy over Thrashing Brontodon.
1 month ago
Wow, thanks, that's a lot to go over.
I do have some things I would like to say about what I have. I'm still open minded to lots of what you said, and thank you, again, for helping.
I am using Mammoth for its trample and it being a secondary win-con having 8 power trampling (like a mini-Ghalta) and I can fit it into my curve. I intentionally kept room for it and passed by the huge amount of CMC 4 or greater creatures, ever so appealing.
I currently have few big things I need to ramp into and having too much mana and not enough cards in hand is one of my more present problems. Should I be this prepared for Control? What are some good cards for my sideboard? If I use a transformative sideboard what should I have in it?
My Shalai, Voice of Plenty is a one of in my deck because I think I can support it manabase wise and I can sideboard more for control matches. A worst case color screw would be having 3 Sunpetal Grove in my opening hand, but that would be unlikely due to my amount of Forests as they would almost always enter untapped. Blossoming Defense is normally a 4 of due to its ability to keep things alive, but most of my creatures will be able to kill whatever they end up fighting, proven they survive it. Heroic Intervention fits my requirement for protection and instead of giving +2/+2 it gives indestructible. Why this over Blossoming Defense? Because my creatures have high power, less toughness, and +2/+2 may not save them. I am worried about the difference of to But I think it's worth it in the end. I also have a one-of Plains; it gives me a target to tutor for after getting settled. I can find it and play Shalai for future settles. (If they have the mana for it and you know they run it then attack with what you can spare getting damage or baiting it away from your bigger and more imprtand things) and If my opening hand is good but has Plains and Sunpetal Grove then I can still have my green mana untapped by turn 2 ready for Untamed Kavu (Vigilance and Trample) or Merfolk Branchwalker (extra land or scry). Your vary right about Gaea's Blessing so I have redone my Sideboard, I found that I have a vary hard time dealing with Lyra Dawnbringer, Glorybringer, and Rekindling Phoenix so I added Plummet and Crushing Canopy which doubles as a Naturalize (It temporarily gets rid of Phoenix but that Tempo can be well worth it).
2 months ago
A good answer to Goblin Chainwhirler is Heroic Intervention. Maybe go down 1 Crushing Canopy and The Immortal Sun for two Heroic Intervention. Also, Spell Pierce is more efficient than Negate in a 20 land deck so I would run the 2/2 split between them and cut a Shapers' Sanctuary. Another answer to the aggro decks is Aethersphere Harvester. Hope this is useful!
2 months ago
I get a lot of comments suggesting to add Heroic Intervention and it's fine if you want to play it, add it, but I don't. Intervention doesn't do enough in matchups where I want it, control matchups. Overextending my army because I'm counting or hoping that Intervention can save it is not a good plan. Instead my plan is to sideboard in cards that don't care about Fumigate or Settle because ultimately I can't stop all the Fumigates and Settles that my opponent will have. I want to sideboard in noncreature cards that can combat Teferi. Nissa, Vital Force's haste 5/5 lands and Lifecrafter's Bestiary to match card advantage; Bestiary's draw works through counterspells.
Due to tribal I only want to sideboard in a few cards in matchups; I can't take out very many cards especially Elves. I want to be aggressive in the control matchup, but there's a fine line between being aggressive and being dumb and overextending. Without having cards like Nissa and Bestiary at my disposal then my only realistic plan is to overextend with Intervention protection, which is problematic.
I like Song of Freyalise I think it's a great card, but not currently with Elves. Currently in Standard the best Elves other than Steel Leaf Champion produce mana. Elves don't have a problem with making mana therefore the first two chapter abilities of Song are not needed. The third chapter ability is amazing, but I don't feel the card is worth it because for two turns it's not doing much.
Many versions ago this deck was called "Rite Elves" utilizing Cryptolith Rite to ramp into a fast Westvale Abbey Flip or Distended Mindbender with Elves. It had Collected Company and Shaman of the Pack and other Elves. In the version I cut all mana Elves other than Leaf Gilder and this worked with Rite because of a large amount of powerful two drop nonmana Elves especially Dwynen's Elite. Gilder stayed because mana it produces could be used to cast a turn three Company without needing other Elves. In current Standard the two drop spot for Elves is vacant, with the least amount of options for the tribe. Song really needs a new Elite or a reprint of Elite or Elf token producers to be good with Elves. If there's enough good one or two drop nonmana Elves or Elves get a token theme post rotation then Song can be a possible fantastic addition.
Sandwurm Convergence is a good suggestion, but I think it's CMC is a little too high to be used to stop those flying threats you mentioned. If we had to stop high 6-8+ CMC Dragons, Demons or other big fliers then Convergence would be better. Relying on stopping four, five or less drop fliers with an eight mana card seems too slow. Making a 5/5 Wurm each turn is great if midrange was a problem right now in Standard then this could be good, but it's not a problem, aggro is and those fliers you mentioned are played with aggro. Convergence is not something I want in aggro matchups. You could try cutting Crushing Canopy for Convergence as it stops Lyra, but Canopy is also a way to stop History of Benalia in the same matchup where opponent is playing white and Lyra.
2 months ago
Ok, so I forgot to mention the sideboard. Two things, you are a little heavy on the artifact/enchantment hate (yes I know Crushing Canopy also works on lyra) but I reckon you could get away with a few less of those and diversify your answers. Magma Spray, Puncturing Blow(for The Scarab God) and Lifecrafter's Bestiary could be nice to have access to. Also Heroic Intervention is a strict upgrade to Blinding Fog just say'n.
2 months ago
Thanks for the reply, I'm glad I could help. As for the green splash I don't like the idea but for a super weird reason. The "problem" that I'd have is that Llanowar Elves and Drover of the Mighty are almost entirely better than Skirk Prospector and Wily Goblin for what you're using them for. Sure together they can turn 3 Etali, Primal Storm but the downside is they are the one-time-use version of their green counterparts. The thing is it makes using them probably correct despite diluting the spirit of what you're doing. Now if you follow that logic to its logical conclusion you end up just playing whatever net-deck is winning at the moment so maybe that's just me. Anyway if you're splashing a color just for enchantment hate maybe Thrashing Brontodon isn't correct as you'd need to have the manna base able to support the double green. Alternative options off the top of my head include Ixalan's Binding, Cast Out, Forsake the Worldly, Naturalize, Broken Bond, Crushing Canopy, Kefnet's Last Word, Negate or Spell Swindle. I must admit Carnage Tyrant is almost a good enough reason to go into green itself if you don't mind the hefty price tag.