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- What counterspells counter Approach of the Second Sun
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Approach of the Second Sun
If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put Approach of the Second Sun into its owner's library sevent from the top and you gain 7 life.
Approach of the Second Sun Discussion
1 day ago
Would definitely cut all the 3 cmc rocks for 2 mana rocks, not sure Approach of the Second Sun is very good as rebound doesn't really do anything for it and its very weak on its own. Omniscience doesn't seem too useful, but maybe it is if you end up taking several turns in a row or go off with High Tide and have a chance to cast. Negate and Counterspell seem pretty good, Trickbind can be pretty good depending on the meta but I have ended up cutting it from my mono blue deck in favor of Tale's End . Cast Through Time seems way too slow at 7 cmc and I don't believe rebound even stacks because I believe it is a replacement effect for going to the graveyard, could be wrong though. Mirari also way too slow but maybe its okay again if you are taking several turns in a row and need it to help go infinite/take many more turns.
4 days ago
I play in a semi-competitive playgroup, far from cEDH but definitely on the upper end of "casual" powerlevel. I run a Chulane value engine deck that would probably draw hate in lower power groups, but he's pretty par for our group, and the deck does pretty well imo. I run a lot of ETB, additional creature cast/etb draw effects like Soul of the Harvest and Beast Whisperer , landfall effects like Admonition Angel , Roil Elemental , Tatyova, Benthic Druid , and have a secondary wincon via Approach of the Second Sun .
Imo Chulane and Roon run different builds though, even as value engines. I think both can be used to great effect, they just have different ways of going about it.
5 days ago
I like your deck's style but you seem light on control finishers. On a budget I would recommend Approach of the Second Sun , Revel in Riches , Exsanguinate , Mind's Dilation , Painful Quandary , or Torment of Hailfire . There are others but things like Cyclonic Rift and Expropriate ain't cheap.
You also are kinda low on ramp and, for a control deck especially, card draw. You do have some but the conventional wisdom is eight-ish draw cards and eight-ish ramp cards (depending on plenty of variables, of course).
Seems like you're off to a good start though!
5 days ago
Looks nice! I’d suggest Aetherflux Reservoir though I see you’re going for budget. Another wincon is Approach of the Second Sun , and if you’ve given away enough permanents you can play it for the second time the next turn.
Smoke is a stax-y card, but if you dont run many creatures it’s pretty good (also seeing how Zedruu doesn’t need to be untapped to work)
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is a cheaper alternative to Lab Maniac.
I’ve built my own Zedruu deck, Zedruu, Giver of Chaos if you want to check it out.
5 days ago
Dango: Are you saying bear tribal isn't a viable cEDH strategy? Because that's just outrageous.
The other issue with the "I can win on turn X" argument is that you haven't taken into consideration the mechanics of the deck. If you're playing a GAAIV Stax deck that wants to win off Approach of the Second Sun then you don't care so much about winning on turn one as you do getting your Stax pieces down to stop everybody else from winning.
Sure, winning faster is good but don't let it cloud your deck building as all your decks will start to look the same.
1 week ago
I notice you have Approach of the Second Sun in your sideboard. There's a political control/group hug deck in my meta that runs that card and I will say, it is surprisingly powerful. If you can draw 2+ cards per turn you'll get there really quickly, Kenrith, the Returned King can draw you to it and pad your life total, and there's very little response that can be done other than countering it or straight-up killing you. Definitely a surprise "I win" card that I think deserves more recognition.
1 week ago
As said in the other Chulane deck I saw, Aluren is such a great card that there's no reason not to play it.
Aluren + Shrieking Drake , Whitemane Lion , Man-o'-War , Dream Stalker , Fleetfoot Panther , or Silver Drake is infinite castings. Playing into 3 times as many creatures to combo off with is, statistically, far more favorable and leads to a rather peculiar if not overlooked Bant Storm win.
Check out my build. I definitely keep the Food Chain combo in, since it can be a turn 2 win, and it is very good, but I also went balls out and threw a huge heft of Aluren spice in there.
I am also very fond of things like Collector Ouphe to simply shut down Sol Ring , Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , and given Mox that's legal, and even opposing Aetherfluxes (in which case I will Aluren win with Laboratory Maniac , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , or even Approach of the Second Sun .
2 weeks ago
If you're playing face to face magic and during your turn, your opponent is constantly socially talking to a bystander and refusing to pay attention to the game, are you required to wait for your opponent to decide to return their attention to the game before you're allowed to continue to play?
This has come up several times when an opponent has constantly shouted and talked over the top of me during my turns for almost all of the match, refusing to pay attention to the game. I attempt several times to announce what I am doing which is pointedly ignored. Eventually I give up and just play my turn and say pass, which these opponents seem to hear as they immediately untap and start playing while talking.
The last time this happened though, my opponents all refused to pay attention, talking and laughing as I announced twice that I was casting Approach of the Second Sun . After asking the second time and being ignored, I resolved it and put it back into my deck. The turns went on and eventually I drew it again. The entire time I was talked over the top of as I played and was ignored. I cast Approach of the Second Sun for the second time and asked if there was any responses to the cast. My opponents said nothing in response and went back to talking. After waiting while they talked, I asked again, they ignored me and I proceeded to resolve it and informed the table I had won. The player to my left's response when I told him he had lost was to accuse me of cheating by misrepresenting the board state.
This behaviour on their part is unquestionably disrespectful and rude, but are they allowed to force me to cease play and wait for them to casually talk to their friends for potentially up to an hour at a time about unrelated matters before I am allowed to play? And is it really 'misrepresenting the boardstate' or cheating if I play my turn and announce what I'm doing? Or are they cheating for interfering with my turn and delaying the game?
Approach of the Second Sun occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%