Approach of the Second Sun
If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put Approach of the Second Sun into its owner's library sevent from the top and you gain 7 life.
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Approach of the Second Sun occurrence in decks from the last year
- What counterspells counter Approach of the Second Sun
- Where does card:Approach of the Second Sun go if it's countered?
- Does Swarm Intelligence automatically Trigger Approach of the Second Sun win condition?
- How Failure/Comply works (Mostly Failure)
- Could I choose to allow a copied spell resolve before original spell with primal wellspring
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Approach of the Second Sun Discussion
1 week ago
The short answer really just is: powerful effects like extra turn’s, Yawgmoth's Will , and similar effects are already so powerful that abusing them any more then that makes them un-fun / broken. Shahrazad , is annoying on its own, but when copied 3+ times it’s more than van worthy. When Time Walk was printed 30+ years ago, an extra turn to play Rock Hydra wasn’t a huge problem, but now cards like Approach of the Second Sun / Isochron Scepter / (insert most modern mythic cards) make that just not feasible. If players can abuse and effect, they will Oko, Thief of Crowns , if they don’t shuffle/ exile themselves they will warp formats.
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
What's white known for?
Lifegain? Green and black are as able as white at gaining life, while also progressing the game/board while doing so.
Removal? Black deals with specifically single target creature better than white can. Enchantments and artifacts are removed as easily, if not more so, by green. Oblivion Ring effects? Not a permanent solution, often suboptimal. Boardwipes? Damnation, Toxic Deluge, Blasphemous Act and Cyclonic Rift are more popular than Wrath of God. But Planar Cleansing is a purely white effect right...? Hello Boompile, Oblivion Stone and Nevinyrral's Disk, which are playable in every deck.
Tokens then? But Doubling Season and Parallel Lives are green cards. White has the best non-tribal anthems, like Glorious Anthem, but most commander decks that actually win by those effects, usually are tribal, and have plenty of lords that synergize better with the deck.
So what does a deck need to actually be functional? Most will say you'll need a decent amount of carddraw and ramp. White ramp is actually catching up lately, but almost all white ramp is dependent on artifacts or your opponents (Knight of the Reliquary effects). Smothering Tithe helps though. White carddraw is either the Monarch, which every other color has cards for, or it's Mentor of the Meek and Bygone Bishop, which impose fairly heavy restrictions on your deck, to play low-impact creature cards in your 99. There is no white Rhystic Study, Outpost Siege, Guardian Project or Phyrexian Arena.
And finally, what else is white lacking? A (big mana) spell that can win the game on the spot. Like Torment of Hailfire, Craterhoof Behemoth, Insurrection or Thassa's Oracle. White splashy spells will create an imposing boardstate, but you'll need to actually untap to attack and win the game, giving your opponents a full turn to respond. The closest white has is Approach of the Second Sun which you can see coming 7 cards in advance.
So there's no real unique reason to play White in your deck. White only shines in being annoying, with Rule of Law, Drannith Magistrate, Ghostly Prison, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Blind Obedience and Armageddon, which not everyone (understatement) likes playing against. So if you'd ask me, the lack of carddraw, unique strategies & finishers, and the play-stax-or-lose image, are the main problems white is dealing with right now.
1 month ago
You have 6 tunr-1-castable spells. I recommend at least 8 in slower formats. In Modern, you can easily be running 16 in a higher-cmc list.
IoK and TS are by far the best reason to be in black, in the top 10 1-mana spells in Modern, and the core of black control.
You're in Mardu, and you're in control. If you're not running 4x Path 4x Push 4x Bolt you're insane.
Tibalt's Trickery in Modern is for t1 Emrakul, not a Mana Leak replacement. (see MagicAID's recent vid).
Declaration in Stone is 100% better than Divine Gambit, and it's still not worth it when Path is $3
Pyroclasm is a sideboard card. It does almost nothing maindeck. Anger is okay, but if you're running control(in Mardu) Day of Judgment or Wrath of God or Kaya's Wrath is optimal. Run a playset of your preferred 4-mana wrath.
You don't have a win condition. At all. Mogis, even if you turn him into a creature, wins on t7. That's a couple turns too slow. Seriously, Approach of the Second Sun is better at winning.
Here's some wincon ideas: Secure the Wastes, Inferno Titan, Grave Titan. Although you're not ramping, they just outvalue everything except Prime Time and, in the case of Inferno, Uro. They win incredibly quickly and can singlehandedly take you from a bad position to a win. Glorybringer is also reasonable. Chandra, ToD is not horrible either.
Smiting Helix is great spell as well.
Also, you're in control and don't have much grin capacity. Night's Whisper is sorta necessary.
1 month ago
Ok, first things first: The description made me "chmmm" through my nose. This is beautiful. It seems you're planning on giving love to everyone until they deckout? If so, Keening Stone might be a great addition. Another cool peaceful wincon is Approach of the Second Sun. Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are obvious if you wish to win that way.
Great deck nonetheless.
1 month ago
Test new Frija, Judge of Valor has immense potential.
Consider the following: Cast anything you want, then a 1 or 2 CMC tutor. On the stack, you draw three and get one in the hand and two in the bin. Then, you tutor out what you need or what works best. Being in black means you have plenty of reanimation effects such as Goryo's Vengeance, and being in white gives you a horrid access to Approach of the Second Sun
2 months ago
ElGatix123 Hello! Well, this deck is a very casual deck for me personally. I usually bring this deck out when people just want mass chaos to happen or to see a deck of theirs pop off early. But there are some win cons; I have two: Approach of the Second Sun and Folio of Fancies. Approach of the Second Sun is very self-explanatory and with how much card draw this deck can get and also add crazy amounts of mana for ourselves, it shouldn't be too hard unless somebody counters it, of course. Folio of Fancies gives everybody no maximum hand size, which is nice. It can draw everybody a good amount of card draw or we are feeling not nice, when everybody draws a lot of cards, we can use its second ability and mill out our opponents equal to the number of cards in hand. (Which, as I said before, this deck has a lot of card draw in it.)
But that's it if you're wanting to win with the deck. It can do it, but very rarely because most of the time, people won't suspect us doing anything too bad because we're helping everybody out and they don't want to get rid of their support. (Unless they hate group hug decks, then welp.) I know you can do crazy things with a group hug deck, especially you can be very political with it if you wanted to as well. If you want to know a favorite chaotic combination, I like to save a lot of mana available (or have my mana doublers out) and use Weird Harvest, but save two green mana for Tempting Wurm. Play Tempting Wurm afterward and see the board EXPLODE! If you want to be mean, you could probably do all of what I said and then play a board wipe (you just gotta add one in the deck, shouldn't be too hard) to blow up all of their creatures or whatever type of wipe you put in there, especially would be good if you have out Tidal Barracuda during that. Anyways, if this deck doesn't do it for you well enough, I can also recommend Kenrith, the Returned King as a Group Hug/Political deck as you get all of the colors to play with instead of just the Bant Colors.
3 months ago
The Magic Mirror is some pretty INSANE card draw and we'll have a lot of instants and sorceries to get that cost down, but the ever-increasing non-optional card draw gets me worried about decking myself, so I don't think its necessary either. Once you're drawing even 1 or 2 extra cards a turn, you're really no longer concerned with needing more card advantage. That's why I love the consistency of having Kwain in the Command zone to come down on turn 2 every single game.
Shabraz, the Skyshark was another one that I was actually considering running as the commander before Kwain got spoiled because I liked the life gain and card draw. And I liked the vibe of sitting down at a table and intentionally playing partnerless. But Shabraz is a bit expensive at 5 mana and I doubt he'd ever live for long because of how fast he'd end up getting HUGE and scary and threatening with Flying.
I also considered Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer, but he's not actually as political as I wish he was. I wish he only stopped your opponents creatures from attacking you, like a pseudo-goad effect where we bribe their creatures with cards to not attack us. Alas, he basically just acts like a bad Banisher Priest.
As for Dream Trawler, Shabraz, Consecrated Sphinx and some of the other big creatures I mentioned before, you can definitely run them if you want, you just have to politic a little differently. Instead of playing the fun-loving group hug spectator, treat your creatures more like just another way to protect yourself. Save attacking with them as a last resort, or make sure you ally yourself with the rest of the table to fight against whoever is the biggest threat at the table. You just don't ever want to be that person being ganged up by everyone else, and the problem is that a lot of those creatures tend to end up quickly becoming the biggest threat. I'd say make sure to include a Rogue's Passage so that you can make sure to land the final alpha strike when you need to. People will almost assuredly have bigger boards then you, so we need a guaranteed way of getting through. Glaring Spotlight could be a good include to help you get through hexproof when you need to, or sac it when you want to go for the win.
One of my favorite aspects about this deck though is how we're playing on a completely different access from everyone else. We're here to have fun, speed things up, but also stall things out until we can combo off. Staying off everyone's radar until its too late is its biggest strength. Even if your playgroup KNOWS what your win condition is, our job is to let everyone else be bigger threats for them to have to worry about while we bide our time and set up for the win in our hand.
See, the battlefield is all about transparency. Its where most people play the game from, slowly building up boardstates and engines and scrapping back and forth here and there. Everyone can see what's in play, and who they should be concerned about. That's why I try to keep everything we put into play as unconcerning as possible, meanwhile all of our actual threats, removal, counterspells, and our win conditions, sit invisibly in our hand where no one can see them, so they don't know what to be afraid of, but everything on our battlefield tells them they probably have nothing to worry about, especially if they just leave us alone.
Telepathy is a pet card of mine that I always kind of want to find a way to fit back into the deck because it serves this purpose incredibly well. Everyone ELSE plays with their hands revealed, while you get to keep yours secret. Being able to see EXACTLY what your opponents are capable of and what you might want to save a counterspell for is GREAT for us, but its even better for our opponents to be scared of one another when they get to see every card everyone draws except for you. As good as it is for us, its not a very fun card to play against and people tend to get pretty mad about it and try to get rid of it quickly.
There's a similar issue with Zur's Weirding that seems like it COULD be an interesting inclusion with some fun politics involved, but basically every time it ends up playing out more like a STAX card that stops everyone from drawing cards and loses everyone a bunch of life instead. Its pretty unfun to be honest, and it can most likely be used against us to stop us from drawing our important combo cards, so I didn't include it either. Telepathy I'm still on the fence about.
I also tried out Approach of the Second Sun for a bit, but it had the same issue as Jace and Lab Maniac, its not good on its own, its a bit slow and obvious, and its otherwise kind of a dead draw cuz its not very good on its own. Seeing it in your opening hand is just gross. I think the concern over having a backup plan is understandable, but ultimately kind of unnecessary. I don't think I've really expressed it before, but this deck is consistent. We draw through so many cards and have so many ways of protecting ourselves and our combo that this deck tends to win a lot more than the average 25% of the time if I'm being honest. That's why I think its so important that you make sure the games are fun for everyone at the table and let everyone draw tons of cards and actually play their decks. Its why I like this specific combo too. Everyone ends up with almost their entire decks in their hands and it becomes one final ultimate showdown battle where everyone is furiously digging through their massive hand-libraries to try to find a way to stop you, and for you to try to stop them back. And if they do manage to do it, good for them! They deserve it!