Artifact Creature — Golem
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Platinum Emperion Discussion
2 months ago
MFBOOM No. The only things in the game that lead to damage are —
- Combat damage from creatures as the combat damage step begins (C.R. 510.2), and actions of the form "[source] deal(s) ... damage" or "damage ... is dealt to".
Note also that damage to players USUALLY causes loss of life, but not always (C.R. 119.3). Life loss is not damage. Damage usually results in life loss, corner cases exist in terms of infect for example. Other corner cases exist with cards that say you cannot take damage like Platinum Emperion.
Sometimes, damage does not result in life loss (if the source of damage had infect, for example, or the player receiving the damage controls Platinum Emperion).
If you have Glacial Chasm out, something like Impact Tremors will not deal you damage but if someone casts Exsanguinate you will still lose life even though you've got a "Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you." effect in play.
We are basically we are going down a rabbit hole here. Long story short, google "Is loss of life damage?" and you will find 800 people who will explain it better than me. I promise you, it does work that way with Lich. Damage causes loss of life. Losing life does not equate to being dealt damage.
4 months ago
Sorry I haven't been on to respond in a while. I've been busy with work and haven't been playing much as my LGS still hasn't opened tables up to Magic players. I may not know much about some of these new cards, but I'll still offer some advice on running artifacts in EDH. (Most of my experience is with Sydri, Galvanic Genius in A Pile of Cans so feel free to check that out.) First, I'd try to narrow down to a particular approach to build around. Osgir, the Reconstructor offers a range of options in this regard. Then, you can make swaps for cards that synergize more with that chosen approach.
One option I see is running as many low-cmc artifacts as possible to minimize how much you have to spend on your commander's activated ability. The best bet for this might be the new modular cards. They have small bodies that can be buffed by Osgir after combat and give extra benefits on being killed off themselves. Bonus points if you can afford Arcbound Ravager. Modular is not actually a triggered ETB so you can't get more benefit from Panharmonicon, but I'll touch on that more later. Other options include Bomat Courier, Epochrasite, Gingerbrute, and Sorcerer's Broom. Making lots of token creatures makes a go-wide plan with Steel Overseer, Chief of the Foundry, Signal Pest, and the like more viable. Anything else that produces thopters or servos fits too. Untapping Osgir is probably more mana efficient than copying his ability with this approach.
The exact opposite gameplan is also possible. Run plenty of ramp artifacts like Basalt Monolith, Thran Dynamo, Blinkmoth Urn, and Hedron Archive to play and duplicate overwhelming threats. Darksteel Forge, Soul of New Phyrexia, Platinum Angel, Platinum Emperion, Spine of Ish Sah, Bosh, Iron Golem, Phyrexian Triniform, and Summoning Station are the first options I can think of. Unfortunately, such cards do tend to be less budget friendly. I think it would also be worth distinguishing between a plan using death and entry triggers and one using taps and untaps. The former is where Panharmonicon comes back into play along with Mirrorworks, Prototype Portal, and the refurbish-ers like Goblin Welder. The latter is where Unwinding Clock is king along with its little brothers Clock of Omens, Voltaic Construct, and Voltaic Key. (Both choices can also apply to a more aggressive approach of course.) Here, copying Osgir's ability is likely to be more efficient than untapping him.
Some other artifacts I'm a fan of that are always useful are Mirage Mirror, Kuldotha Forgemaster, and Scourglass. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll try to get back as soon as I'm able. I apologize in advance if that means a few days.
5 months ago
PoisonLexy I had a look on MtgGoldfish to see what the other tron decks are running for lands. Green-Tron is running 17 lands, but they make up for it with over 1/3rd of their deck dedicated to digging for lands ( Ancient Stirrings , Sylvan Scrying , Chromatic Sphere , Chromatic Star , Expedition Map ). Eldrazi-Tron, on the other hand, runs 24 lands - and that archtype much more closely resembles your gameplan (they just run Expedition Map ).
The problem with the “Etched people” is that most of them do almost nothing unless you can generate 5 colors of mana, which your deck is going to really struggle to do. You can’t rely on Steel Overseer because the opponent will often kill it well before it gets a chance to tap. Also the only creature that needs the counters is Etched Oracle , so feels like its synergy is low.
It just really feels like the Etched creatures require a massive amount of setup for very little gain…
I think a strong potential avenue for you to go down would be a mono-blue tron-artifact build. That would let you still run Etched Champion , and actually make it threatening using Cranial Plating or Ghostfire Blade . You’d be able to grab whatever you needed with Whir of Invention which’d mean you could run a single copies of Blightsteel Colossus and Platinum Emperion . You’d keep the planeswalkers, but be better suited for providing a consistent creature-threat, with blue providing value cards like Sai, Master Thopterist , and Master of Etherium , while the tron lands can create large Hangarback Walker and Walking Ballista . You wouldn’t need to be messing around for 5 colors, and the deck can additionally function alright if you missed assembling tron
5 months ago
Archangel of Tithes and Windborn Muse both have similar effects that make easier to attack someone else, while Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker and Phyrexian Obliterator drive that point home even further.
But if you want the carrot rather than the stick, there's Edric, Spymaster of Trest and Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant to offer up cards for attacking your opponents instead. And related to Karazikar's goading ability Grenzo, Havoc Raiser can help you keep your opponent open if you're going wide, and Marisi, Breaker of the Coil is that same ability but even stronger as you only need to connect with one creatre.
5 months ago
Ziabo: Thanks man, glad you like it! It's pretty damn fun to play. Morophon could be a decent commander for 5-colour Eldrazi, too, but I really like Golos . Easy to cast without caring about which colours I have, an ETB effect that helps solve my colour problems and an activated ability to cheat amazing, expensive spells into play. Add Morophon to the 99 instead.
DivineKhaos: Artifact ramp is really strong and super fast, so it was tempting. I focused on more land-based ramp to help solve my colour needs, since nearly 40% of my spells require coloured mana, including a number that need or . Omg and I'm running Ruinous Ultimatum ?? What was I thinking! I'm also trying to be more resistant to artifact destruction. This deck scares my playgroup so they toss a lot of removal at it and it can feel pretty bad when all your mana rocks get taken out and you're now behind everyone else at the table.
Hustleberry: Lots of good suggestions, thank you! It's just really hard to make cuts to fit in more at this point. That's the biggest difficulty in 5 colour decks, I could run anything and there are hundreds of amazing cards that could work, but I can only fit 99.
- I would play Expropriate if it weren't so damn expensive :)
- Enter the Infinite with Nexus of Fate is definitely strong, it's just hard to make cuts to fit it. At one point I ran Enter the Infinite with Omniscience but after pulling it off a few times, I was over it and took it out.
- No Mercy just isn't enough to stop my playgroup. I've tried it in some decks but my best defense truly is a strong offense with this deck. And board wipes :p
- Agreed, Blue Sun's Zenith is better than Mind Spring and would be a good swap. But since then, I changed over to Finale of Revelation instead.
- You're right, I definitely have non-Eldrazi themed things in here but Platinum Emperion just feels too out of place and I'd feel bad removing one of my big Eldrazi beaters to fit him. If I were to pick one up, I'd put it in one of my artifact-focused decks instead.
- It That Betrays instead of Artisan of Kozilek ? Agreed! Changed... some time ago now. I'm very late in replying to your comments ;)
hkhssweiss: Cloud Key and Semblance Anvil are good, but my card types are so spread out that their effect becomes pretty limited and I do already run things like Urza's Incubator and Herald's Horn , the latter of which which does more than just reduce the cost. Don't think I want to invest too much into just reducing creature costs, when that only accounts for 20% of my deck. Having said that, Cloud Key and Semblance Anvil are fantastic in my artifact decks :D
6 months ago
free-kolja some replies to your bullet-points. I've also made a list for comparison.
I agree that Arboreal Grazer is a bad late game draw, but to be fair, this is a combo deck and so being in the late game to begin with is a bad place to be - the game should have already been over. I get that you want card quality, but speed is often important when you're against the clock. You already have a lot of cards that would be "bad" to draw second copies of, for example - but they're in the deck because speed and consistency is valuable (i.e. I can't imagine drawing a second copy of Star of Extinction , Basilisk Collar , or Brash Taunter is ever a good sign).
It's very interesting that your group doesn't run sideboards, because that will mean that there are going to be lots of various matchups that any deck just doesn't stand a chance against (I imagine anyone playing a dredge build would just be very oppressive). Saying that, i'm still struggling to work out what card Return to Nature actually helps you against... the only card I can think of is Platinum Emperion ? Your deck is in a very safe spot in a sideboardless world, where it just has to do its thing, and its up to other decks to stop you, or out-race you. I just don't get what Return to Nature is helping you against?
So the one big bonus of Blasphemous Act , is that even if there's only one creature in play, it's still going to cost the same as Star of Extinction . SO, at its absolute worst, you can still get by with it. I do concede, that it obviously doesn't hit walkers, or get the instant kill.
Dealing with non-creature decks better is going to be really hard in a format without sideboards, especially being a combo deck that has to be aiming to win before its beaten down. I have some thoughts, though you're probably not going to like them. It involves changing the deck quite a bit. Below I have a list i've just spun up, which utilizes Karn, the Great Creator . That card will let you fetch up Stuffy Doll to do your combo whenever you need to, but also fetch up whatever hate cards you need at the time (i'm thinking Wurmcoil Engine , Walking Ballista , Ratchet Bomb , Ensnaring Bridge , etc.). Now, obviously i'm not suggesting you change your list to whatever nonsense i've brewed up below, but hopefully it gives you some thoughts for consideration.
- 4x Abundant Harvest
- 2x Harmonize
- 3x Star of Extinction
- 2x Blasphemous Act
- 4x Overgrowth
- 4x Utopia Sprawl
- 4x Arbor Elf
- 2x Brash Taunter
- 2x Courser of Kruphix
- 3x Hornet Nest
- 3x Voyaging Satyr
- 4x Karn, the Great Creator
- 2x Garruk Wildspeaker
- 4x Cragcrown Pathway Flip
- 11x Forest
- 2x Mountain
- 4x Rootbound Crag
The above, as an example, gives you a relatively low bad-draw count. Karn, the Great Creator means you don't have to run Basilisk Collar mainboard, but can still get this card if needed for Brash Taunter . He can also get your combo via Stuffy Doll , and lets you grab specific answers for your opponents decks, so you don't need mainboard Return to Nature . The ramp package changed slightly to allow for a much more explosive path to 4 mana (you can easily have 5 mana to play with turn 2), which allows you to run these higher cmc cards, but also keep the land count low.
6 months ago
AShadyZebra It depends on what you're trying to do (card draw?), but I would probably pick Conjurer's Bauble , because both of it's effects seem useful and you don't have to pay/ sac to draw a card. With Chromatic Star I don't see the filter effect ever being useful and in order to draw a card you would need a sac outlet. I really like Lithoform Engine and Forsaken Monument , but the thing that steers me away from both is the fact that they're legendary, which is somewhat of a nonbo with Osgir. They're both really good cards with powerful effects, but for what I would use them for in my own deck, I feel like there are better more cost efficient alternatives.
You do make a good point about Cursed Mirror though, I may have to take another look at that one.
Suns_Champion I actually didn't realize Zirda, the Dawnwaker could reduce equip costs, and hadn't really thought about her reducing any other abilities other than Osgir's, so thank you for pointing that out. Even though Platinum Angel / Platinum Emperion are a ton of fun to play in the deck, I would probably have to agree they're pretty cheeky.
Between the two of you I think you've convinced me to swap Platinum Emperion for Zirda, the Dawnwaker . The more I think about it, the more obvious it becomes that Zirda, the Dawnwaker should be in the deck, and is far superior to Platinum Emperion for a number of reasons.
Thank you both for the continued discussion and suggestions. Much appreciated.
7 months ago
For Zirda, I would suggest cutting Platinum Angel or Platinum Emperion . Reasoning: Angel and Emperion are cheeky cards, but aren't win-cons. They might buy you a few turns every once and a while, but can't really help you win. Zirda can, by comboing. And even when she's not winning you the game, she's reducing the mana you need to pour into Osgir by TWO. Which is huge. Or she helps with Staff of Domination. Or Equipment. Or Mirage Mirror. Or Eldrazi Displacer. Or Walking Ballista. Or....