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Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Planeswalker — Nissa
+1: Create a 0/1 green Plant creature token.
-2: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
-7: You gain X life and draw X cards, where X is the number of lands you control.
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar Discussion
1 month ago
Hey Zerraphoon! Nice you want to play an Angel Tribal deck. The main problems with Angels is that they are really hard to cast and that they need indeed serious protection from being removed or worse stolen.
I think if you want to build a Selesnya Angel Deck you want either something that protects or ramps in the Command Zone. So for the first one i would recommend going for Shalai, Voice of Plenty or second category i would recommend Karametra, God of Harvests . Both are decent choices but in your place i would decide on Shalai, cause her protection is really good and on top of that she can be a mana sink with her ability and can buff up your whole squad.
To the other question:
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar is a decent choice if you want to go the route of casting your Angels and using their already high Power and Toughness to make the even bigger. Most of the time you just need to have 2-3 counter on a 5/5 flying with lifelink and people get seriously scared of you and will try to either politic with you or remove what you have. The benefit of Nissa is that she comes down turn 3 and can hold herself against early aggression with her plant token she can make. Another added benefit is that her ult is not a game winning ult, which means you do get to ult her more than other planeswalkers and it is a decent payoff if you can protect her with your Angels. (Still don't count her into the Draw-category)
Ajani, the Greathearted is also something you want to have in your deck and yes i would cut Heliod any day for it. He gives you not only vigilance for all your beaters but also can regenerate health at a decent pace and ofc does the same thing Nissa does with his minus. He even buffs up your Nissa or Serra and gets them more activations.
Serra the Benevolent is obviously a perfect fit for Angel Tribal decks, flavor and synergy wise. She comes down early enough compared to how she can protect herself. A 4/4 flying vigilance most of the time is enough to protect her at this stage of the game even if she is on 1 loyalty. She should be used to make Angels but her ult is a game changing and can save you a lot of times. Normally you want to make at least one Angel do protect her, considering an empty board on your side and then +2 her till she ults. Her +2 seems kinda meh in the beginning but is decent value and makes quite the difference in a lot of games.
Chancellor of the Annex is an ok card and can be included if you like it. I would not play it cause of the high cmc to cast it later on if it sits in your opening hand. At this cmc you want Angel that remove something or bring something back out of your graveyard: Bruna, the Fading Light , Angel of Serenity , Angel of the Dire Hour , Emeria Shepherd would be examples that are better includes at this cmc spot. The problem is you dont want to much 7 and 8 cmc Angels cause it is not really easy to get to them and a 4 cmc Angel has most of the time more impact on the game bc it protects you and can also beat ppl up or interrupt their strategy like Linvala, Keeper of Silence so try to keep the average CMC down to have more fun with your deck.
Excise seems not that great and should not be included. There are better removal spells or flicker effects in white.
Some more tips:
If you want to got the route of putting counters on your Angels, go for the cards that put one counter on everything and cards that proliferate:
Mikaeus, the Lunarch --> is another Nissa, Ajani Effect on a creature
Cathars' Crusade --> could be something to include in Selesnya
Orzhov Advokist --> can protect you and give you counters
Karn's Bastion --> is always a good include in counter decks like these
Well thats all for now. Make sure to include a lot of Ramp and your typical Instant protection spells, if you want to play a deck like this.
1 month ago
Hello! So I have a couple questions for you! Im running a Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Angel tribal deck, but going to make it into a Sigarda Angel tribal. And I was wondering how well Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Serra the Benevolent work in this deck! what would be some recommendations for card/draw and control in selesnya colors you could give? Im thinking about buying interesting underrated cards like Excise and maybe a Chancellor of the Annex also would you prefer to have the Ajani, the Greathearted over something like Heliod, God of the Sun ? Or do you have Ajani because of aatraxa?
1 month ago
Wakeroot Elemental turns your lands into creatures, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar makes tokens and boosts all your creatures. Pledge of Unity also boosts all your creatures and can get you a lot of life, Pollenbright Druid 's Proliferate ability works well with most of the +1/+1 counter cards mentioned above. Ajani, the Greathearted gives all your creatures vigilance and can, again, boost them all. Gideon, the Oathsworn 's last ability lets you exile all opponent's creatures and he can be a creature himself. Haazda Marshal can provide many tokens in the beginning.
2 months ago
Hi, I hope that at least some of what i'm going to put here will be useful, and even if you don't use any of my advice then maybe you will be able to see where I am coming from and use the logic to find your own improvements :)
As the previous commenter has suggested the amount of ramp spells that put lands in to play in your deck is a bit to low for a ramp deck especially one that has subthemes of landfall. Typical commander deck building suggestions say that you should have 10 pieces of ramp to tide you into the midgame. This goes for any deck, not just ramp decks. In ramp decks you will want more. At my count you have 12 ramp cards that are reusable (ie, aren't the one shot sacrifice elemntals) this will want to be more really, with a focus on them being ones that put lands in to play. Another of note, is that cards like Zendikar Resurgent don't really count as a ramp slot, as by the time we can cast it, we have a lot of mana already. 'Ramp' cards are ones that you want to see in your opening hand to get you into your game plan faster.
For this reason I would look into replacing some of the creature based ramp and some other low impact cards with this ramp that will get us executing our main game plan faster and better.
These can all be easily replaced with land based ramp spells as they don't get you any further ahead on mana than 1 land, or are one shot abilities when we want to be dropping big things multiple times over multiple turns.
Smokebraider Is unique because it produces 2 mana for only 2 investment, but only if we focus in on elemtals so can be left on a short list to be evaluated. We'll list other potential cuts later when looking at more over all deck evaluation.
The previous commentor has provided a list which at first glance seems to be comprehensive enough to provide some ideas for what to add.
More conventional commander wisdom suggests that you have at least 5 ways to directly interact with your opponents game plan. I personally nearly always play more than this, but you should have at least 5. This direct interaction is preferred to be the targetted simgle response cards that can remove threats in any shape or form. Of note, this removal count is seperate from the count of mass removal. At my count you have Song of the Dryads , the down tick of Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Ingot Chewer as easily accessable removal. Things like the trigger from your commander or things like Magmatic Force are more incedental as you can't rely on them doing what you want when you need it.
Cards that could be added in this slot are many. But it is a good idea to have as many as you can being generic answers to anything, but also you need to make sure that they are ones you can realistically weave into your game plan instead of leaving up those answers at all times. This is mostly a balncing act that is where fine tuning comes in from playing the deck. But potential recommendations for all purpose would be Beast Within and Chaos Warp . After that they become more specific but can be cheaper in mana,
- Nature's Claim
- Domri's Ambush
- Force of Vigor
- Krosan Grip
- Hull Breach
- Broken Bond
- Reclamation Sage
This may seem counterintuitive, seen as you are planning on being the big creature deck that wants the board presence. But sometimes the opponents boards just need answering (Not to mention that you might end up getting a lot of elemental death triggers from Omnath). As such having 2 or 3 creature wraths might be worth trying. And having 2 or 3 artifact and enchantment wraths will be good to have access to aswell. Something you already have so I assume you already know.
Creature wraths to consider in green red include
- Blasphemous Act
- Chandra's Ignition
- Chain Reaction
- Savage Twister - This one is representative of X cost ones that are interesting to try as it gives you the oppertunity of clearing out small creatures while keeping yours alive if you would prefer. Another one that can also be used to finish of players is Rolling Earthquake
You already have the cards for mass removing artifacts and enchantments so I won't bother listing any more.
One of the most common recommendations I have to make to people about their deck is to up the amount of card draw or selection in their decks. There is no point in having sweet cards and synergies in here if we never get to see them! Normally I recommend having 10 ways of drawing cards in your deck, with some of them being repeating and some being one shot. At my count you currently have 7 (Or 8 if you count Praetor's Counsel which can do effectively a similar job), so you are nearly there but I would recommend adding a couple mr just to smooth out the deck running.
- Harmonize is the most obvious recommendation withit being notorious for its colour pie break with not haveing a restriction based on creatures or similar.
- Horn of Greed is universal, but we should be getting more value from it.
- Greater Good is amazing if you keep having big creatures to sacrifice. Thankfully due to our commander triggers, we do!
- Chandra, Flamecaller can cover multiple bases of what we need, it can be counted as both a wrath AND a card draw engine :) IT also even makes elementals (of note, they get exiled at end step instead of dieing so you won't normally get Omnath triggers. Sacrificing them to Greater Good though....... )
- Rishkar's Expertise can be great card draw as you don't need to take a full turn off to refuel, you still get to cast something that costs less, which could be that removal spell or something you needed!
These overview sections are recommendations for generic cards that could go in. From here on, we will be looking at more specific card options, and possible cuts from the existing deck
Now, again as the previous commentor mentioned, there are multiple ways you can take an Omnath deck. My take on them being
- RG Big thing Ramp. No specific synergies in mind except for incidental ones like, I need land to cast my big spells, and this card cards about land. Not a bad deck by any means, just less commander or theme focused.
- Elemental Tribal Ramp. This seems to be closer to what you are currently going for. Similar to the RG ramp deck, just with tribal synergies from elementals
- Landfall / Lands Matter. Here we are focusing on many landfall triggers, and keep cycling our lands round and round to get them. This deck will likke having access to things like Crucible of Worlds and many effects like Exploration
Here, i will suggest some cards for each of them and maybe later on if you want we could look more into one or a mix of these strategies.
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed This card is very very powerful. Expecially as the decks around you get more and more powerful and wanting to do more combo and storm bsaed strategies.
- Gruul Ragebeast A good way of keeping the board under control when you play your 'large and incharge' creatures
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger We have mana, they don't. Enough said really. Just beware that with this creature, sometines the adage If you can't remove the problem, remove the player can be applied to just killing you.
Other than ones recommended here, perhaps a good idea would be to use Gatherer or mtg.wtf to find elementals in your colour. Or cards which reference elementals in your colours, the example in wtf would be this
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flame can rebuy your ramp spells and can make elementals that will die to trigger Omnath.
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno A wrath that doesn't kill elementals and can provide a reasonable clock on the game with her uptick.
- Omnath, Locus of Mana Store mana for a rainy day. Or for hitting your opponents upside the head with it. Both work.
- Parallel Lives Double the tokens, double the elementals, double the damage. We like.
- Tornado Elemental clears out any things like Dragons, or Flying Slivers or similar. Also good at picking of planeswalkers as it has sudo unblockable.
- Liege of the Tangle we can go REALLY all in on making all our lands elementals and meaning that if someone wraths us we can basically kill everyone from Omnath triggers
- Budoka Gardener Ramp early game, big guys late game.
This deck idea might have elements that are closer to a combo deck than the others, but will still mostly be a midrange deck.
- Perilous Forays With your commander out this card is bonkers. But if we are making other elemental tokens too then we can truly get going somewhere
- Crucible of Worlds , Ramunap Excavator , Life from the Loam Allow you to play the lands from your graveyard after we have sacrificed them for effects. Also makes always hitting your lands drops easier if you are playing and sacrificing a fetch land
- Exploration , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya all ways to play more lands per turn
- Cavalier of Flame can be card draw and synergizes with lands in graveyard. As well as being an elemental!
- Scapeshift lots of triggers all at once
- Splendid Reclamation if we are sacrificing lands then this gets them all back. Very good after a scapeshift
- Amulet of Vigor makes some of our ramp a lot more effective, while at the same time providing a good combo with Perilous Forays and Omnath, Locus of Rage Of recommendation if you run a lot of land recursion effects then other lands that sacrifice themselves might be worth it. Like Wasteland Strip Mine etc
I won't re-list the cuts recommeneded in the ramp section. I will be evaluating cuts in the assumption that the deck is wanting to be a combination of an elementals ramp deck and a lands value deck. A lot of these recomendations for cuts will have very similar reasonings, which I will elaborate on first to be able to be brief later on. These recommendations will possibly sound rather brutal, however I find that it makes it a lot easier to have too many cards that are on the cutting block rather than not enough.
- Too Slow. If the card takes too many turns to start pulling its weight then it could be replaced with something that does what we need sooner. This is common in cards which have 'at the beginning of your upkeep' effects as they will normally have to wait an entire turn cycle to start doing something. Enters the battlefield triggers or similar things that have an effect the turn you play them are often preferred.
- Too expensive. This should be self explanatory. If the card costs too much mana, especially if the same effect can be achieved for less mana then it should be exmined.
- Doesn't do enough. While the effect might be interesting and maybe something we actually want in the deck, The card just doesn't pull its weight in whatever role it is supposed to be doing
- Doesn't contribute to our game plan This might be a good card, maybe even a great card in other decks. But perhaps the effect just isn't one we need in this deck
- Cytoplast Root-Kin Too slow. Doesn't contribute to our game plan.
- Dragonmaster Outcast Too slow. Doesn't do enough
- Grazing Gladehart Doesn't do enough. While we like landfall triggers. The life gain is small enough to be negligable unless we are massrecycling all lands from our yard multiple times.
- Magmatic Force Too Slow.
- Magmaw Doens't contribute to our game plan / Doesn't Do enough. We can run other sac outlets if we want ways to sacrifice our elementals
- Scute Mob Possibly too slow. But I love me a scute mob so I'm fine with this staying in :D
- Spawnwrithe Doesn't do enough. However this one can stay in if you have found that you realistically get to connect with it at least twice to have four of them
- Tendershoot Dryad Doesn't contribute to our game plan. Though it is very good at gummin gup the board
- Tyrant of Discord Doesn't do enough. However if you change to having some ways to knock your opponents off of lands then the chances of this hitting multiple nonlands go up and its value does too. However there are enough control players where the onlything this will do is destroy a land at random
- Undergrowth Champion Deosn't do enough. It's got all the right keywords but thats about it
- Retreat to Kazandu Doesn't do enough. THe landfall idea is good, but putting 1 counter an a guy once or so a turn isn't worth the slot really
- Sword of the Animist Too Slow. We want this effect, but we aren't attacking multiple times in one turn so there are better effects to get lands from our deck. We don't neccessarily even have than many small creatures to equip this too to get it active early enough for the ramp to be that useful as ramp
- Animist's Awakening As much as i want this spell to ever be good. It's just not really at all.
- Journey of Discovery Too slow. For this to be actual search out ramp you need to entwine it which is then 6 mana. Any of the 4 mana double basics would be better here. Or just Explore type effects that cantrip too.
Turns out there is only slightly too much Nissa. (And not enough Chandra ;) ) All of the Nissas' contribute to our gameplan well except for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . The general rule of Planeswalkers in commander is to assume that you will only get two activations if you are lucky. So with this one you will at best buff your team a little. Consider Garruk Wildspeaker instead maybe?
Other random Card Recommendations
- Boundless Realms All the rest of our lands from our deck? Yes please
- Sylvan Awakening We do this, then we overrun and nobody will be expecting it
- Genesis Wave As previously mentioned. It's the better Animist's Awakening
- The Mending of Dominaria More mass land recursion.
Well I hope some of this helped at least a little :)
2 months ago
Does Ghave, Guru of Spores have a "specific deck type, as in is he better as a combo oriented deck or straight out mid range ish token style deck? Or both?
I ask because I appearently have a copy of him, and I used to play black white tokens in modern back around 2015( obviously meta is way different now). Is ghave geared toward generic token generation, a few planes walkers, and anthem affects, or is he "better" as a sacrifice combo deck?
Imput please. I have cards laying around from modern and standard back then like... Spectral Procession , Lingering Souls , Nissa, Voice of Zendikar , Bitterblossom Sorin, Lord of Innistrad etc etc to name a few. I also understand cards like Grave Pact are good with him.
2 months ago
I'm leery about trying to cram too many Planeswalkers into the deck. I think the green ones mentioned earlier would be better fits, too. The Ajanis here seem ok, but for the casting cost they require, and the amount of hate Planeswalkers tend to draw, I'm not sure they would be worth running.
When I look at running a PW, I usually look at the + effect and the - effect, and rarely consider the ultimate. Most tables are going to make sure an ultimate doesn't happen. When the PW hits the board, I want to get some value out of the first activation. Freyalise, for instance, can drop a mana dork; this is great, because the deck runs on mana dorks; the minus is a removal spell essentially, so good bonus on both sides; and the ultimate isn't really a game winner; I can live with running that one, as I think I'll probably get good value out of her. But when I look at the turn I cast her, I'm looking at essentially a 5 CMC Llanowar Elves , or a 5 CMC Naturalize on that turn. Neither of those is good value on it's own, so I really am not getting any real value until the next turn it's on the table.
Now, take Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . Three to cast, and the turn she comes down, I can - her, and get + counters on all my creatures; that's Shalai's ability for less, which is good. Or I can + her for a plant token; these tokens don't really fit the theme, but at least they don't have defender, so I can buff them and they can attack. And her ult is just card draw again, so maybe not so threatening that the table looks to annihilate her.
Now examine the Ajanis. Their + ability is pretty similar; limited counters on a limited number of creatures, and one is a 4 CMC while one is 6 CMC. For 6 CMC, I activate Shalai once, and get counters on all my creatures, and they have hexproof. Their - abilities are ok, but not great (getting some dorks out of the graveyard would be ok), and the ults I'm not really considering, as stated above.
Anyways, that was a bit of a windy reply. Hopefully that all makes sense. I do appreciate all your suggestions, though, and do hope you keep them coming! I love bouncing ideas back and forth and sorting things out.
3 months ago
3 months ago
3-1 Tuesday Modern
2-0 Burn Phoenix Retribution early on both games to nullify their board, Gluttonous Slug brick wall all-star.
2-0 Esper Control Both games were decided mostly from landing a timely second Nissa, Voice of Zendikar after the first one get's countered. Second game with a Yawgmoth, Thran Physician freshly landed my opponent casts Supreme Verdict , sacrificing 2 creatures and drawing 2 cards in response my next turn i play an Experiment One followed by Gluttonous Slug followed by Geralf's Messenger with an active Nissa. Opponent sighs and peeks at his next draw before conceding.
1-2 Eldrazi Tron First game opponent uses Karn, the Great Creator to search for Ensnaring Bridge then lock me out with Mycosynth Lattice . Next game i won with Assassin's Trophy , final game with a weak hand full of 1 drops, Chalice of the Void on 1, drawing more 1 drops.
Jund 2-0 Always fun longish interactive games, you have to really have to play patient and allow them to expend their resources, but the games always seem inevitable as our deck is full of resilient threats.
The adds worked well, it really feels like the additional role-players of Slug and Walker are a perfect fit. Plus the happiness you feel reading the flavor text after an opponent has to deal with Slug is golden.
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%