Nemesis of Reason

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Format Legality
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Alara Reborn (ARB) Rare

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Nemesis of Reason

Creature — Leviathan Horror

Whenever Nemesis of Reason attacks, defending player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

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Nemesis of Reason Discussion

carpecanum on Eldrazi Processor EDH

1 day ago

Nemesis of Reason, Whispering Madness and Paranoid Delusions are all pretty lovecraftian and work great with Wrexial.

NV_1980 on Phenax EDH

4 weeks ago

Hi,

How about Nemesis of Reason? Glimpse the Unthinkable also seems like a solid addition. Also, I've enjoyed playing Talent of the Telepath very much in my mill deck.

Regards,

NV_1980

Dumgoldfish124 on Discard/Mill/Hosing Deck Need Help!

2 months ago

While a mill deck in commander is hard to create, as most of the usable/good mill cards target, it is a lot of fun to play. Discard is a little easier, but not by much. Also, the best colour combination for this type of deck is U/B and Atraxa has two extra colours that don't really help as well as her ability not synergising very well with mill or discard. Anyway, you asked and I shall try to deliver.

First the milling essentials: Glimpse the Unthinkable is the best mill spell bar none and is required. Secondly Increasing Confusion is quite good for commander, as mana totals will get quite large. Thirdly, Mind Funeral is great, as is Mind Grind. Fourthly, Mind Sculpt and Tome Scour mill for 7 and 5 respectfully, which is not too great, so only run them if you feel like that small amount of mill is extremely useful. Fifth, Hedron Crab is a great one drop due to the mill 3 per land you drop. Also, speaking of one drops, Jace's Phantasm is a good creature that soon becomes great with mill and discard. Sixth, Nemesis of Reason is stupidly good as it mills 10 per attack! It doesn't even need to cause damage! Startled Awake  Flip is a nice mill spell and recurs too. Another great creature, and my recommended commander, is Szadek, Lord of Secrets. His milling will get massive really fast. All you need to do is get him in unblocked. Use Rogue's Passage or Whispersilk Cloak. Some good beaters are Consuming Aberration and Sewer Nemesis. If you don't care about price, then Jace, the Mind Sculptor is awesome, but if budget is a thing Jace Beleren is a nice cheap replacement. Now onto the milling combos! Traumatize and Fraying Sanity completely destroy an opponent, as does Keening Stone and Fraying Sanity. Archive Trap and Ghost Quarter are great together, as is Maralen of the Mornsong and Archive Trap. Also, Ghost Quarter helps get rid of land for Mind Funeral and Mind Grind. Lastly, Jace's Erasure and any card draw is quite nice. Thats about it for mill, now onto discard!

First off you need Waste Not. It is beautiful. The Rack works when you have made them discard down to 2 or less, which is one of your goals. Quest for the Nihil Stone and Shrieking Affliction are like The Rack - dealing small damage when opponents don't have hands. Liliana's Caress and Megrim do small amounts of damage per discarded card, which is nice. Bottomless Pit helps keep opponents hands empty, as does Necrogen Mists. Oppression is awesome, as is Painful Quandary, and both together is god-tier. Underworld Dreams is nice little 'screw you' after they loose their hands. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur murders everyone but you late game. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is goddamn beautiful and breaks even more when you have Sadistic Hypnotist, Nezumi Bone-Reader and/or Mind Slash out. Another awesome combo is Mindcrank plus Bloodchief Ascension with three counters and any discard to an opponent means you kill them. With Dark Deal or similar you win. While these two things are great and all, you need some utility and a way to keep you alive when you suddenly become the target.

To stay alive, you need some pillowforts like Propaganda and Ghostly Prison. Cards like Frozen AEther and Kismet will help keep the opponent's board from becoming too overwhelming and Standstill will prevent spells for a small while. Psychic Spiral is another great spell that gets back all of your mill spells and it also mills an opponent for a little too. Talrand, Sky Summoner is fun with all the spells you are slinging, and he provides an alternate win condition. Another alternate win is through infection. Cards like Flesh-Eater Imp, Hand of the Praetors, Phyrexian Crusader, Phyrexian Juggernaut, Necropede, Putrefax, Plague Stinger and Corpse Cur all win you the game when they deal 10 damage to an opponent. Also, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is a good option but is quite expensive. Cards like Giant Growth make you win harder. Infect is where Atraxa shines due to the added poison counters to each opponent every time you finish your turn. Adding Contagion Engine might even make your opponents scoop.

Good God, that is a big slab of writing. Here is a deck list I made for you: Atraxa makes you loose your mind!. Tell me what you think!

Woiteck on Mill till you win EDH

2 months ago

Take a look at Nemesis of Reason, Glimpse the Unthinkable, Hedron Crab, Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker, Memory Erosion, Mind Funeral and Sewer Nemesis. They will help your goal immensly.

Good luck with your deck, mill is hard to pull off!

Talbain on Donald Trump's Great Wall of Mill

2 months ago

Thanks for the suggestions!

I used to run Nemesis of Reason, but eventually cut it. It has good stats for a reasonable CMC, so it is tempting. However, this deck doesn't do much on the combat step, so without any evasion and without much of a removal suite to clear the way, his ability doesn't get used. That makes him basically 5 CMC wall that can't stop flyers. Great value in other decks that can make use of his ability, but less so here.

RE Lich Lord of Unx, zombie mill is totally a thing and Phenax suits that archetype very well. At one time I bought a whole suite of cards like Stitcher Geralf and strongly considered rebuilding Phenax to use them. However, I ultimately decided against it. Zombies are an entire subtheme that deserve to be built around and heavily synergized. Rather than focus on that subtheme, instead I chose to build more strictly around Phenax and related Dimir good stuff. This deck contains only the two most absurd zombie cards that do not require any other zombies to provide me with their value: Grave Titan and Undead Alchemist.

Murpy on How come Mill isn't a ...

4 months ago

Because you see it wrong. I don't want to be rude but the reason is outlined by many people, not just the Professor. If you think about it in terms of probability you are just as likely to mill bad cards that make them have more good cards in their deck as vice versa. Next, we have the graveyard issue. If we look at the top modern metagame, you see decks that use their graveyard very actively and would benefit massively from a mill player. Decks like this include Hollow One, Dredge, Living End, Goryo's Vengeance, Lantern Control, Mardu Pyromancer, and Death's Shadow, and to a lesser extent BGx decks and Snapcaster Mage decks like UWx control. Most modern decks use their graveyard to their benefit, with many decks actively milling themselves to gain an advantage. Milling them, until it kills them, is effectively just drawing cards. There is no deck that actively benefits from having an empty graveyard. Contrary to this, almost every deck has a form of self-inflicted damage. Examples of this include fetchlands, shocklands, Dark Confidant, Dismember, Street Wraith, painlands, Eidolon of the Great Revel, Thoughtseize, Spoils of the Vault, and more. These cards all become more dangerous when faced against a burn deck, because you are not able to use those resources as effectively as you would be without the threat of being burned out. Burn is also much faster than mill, exacerbating the problem. Let's now take a look at a card you are keen on, Destroy the Evidence. At 4 mana in modern, you have Jace, the Mind Sculptor, you have Gifts Ungiven, you have Scapeshift, and Bloodbraid Elf. At 5 mana you have Through the Breach and Ad Nauseam. 4 mana is generally considered a cutoff in modern, where any cards 4 mana or above have to have a massive impact on the game in order to be playable. This is because modern is a turn-4 format, where aggro and combo decks aim to win on turn 4 and any deck that isn't able to win on turn 4 consistently NEEDS to be able to disrupt effectively. 5 Mana cards in modern are cards that instantly win you the game. Through the breach puts in a griselbrand or Emrakul to win. Ad Nauseam allows you to draw your entire deck in concert with Angel's Grace or Phyrexian Unlife. Destroy the evidence is so abysmally slow and unimpactful. You destroying a land on turn 5 will almost never rob an opponent of any valuable resources, since spells in modern are so cheap. Your opponents are all playing cards that instantly win the game in the same mana cost. The mind drinker may even be worse (although probably not). That card doesn't even start milling until turn 6 at the earliest, which is likely longer than the average modern game. Both those cards are going to rot in your hand for the game, and then move on to either doing nothing because your opponent has 5 lands or chump blocking a 6/7 Tarmogoyf since you milled so much of their deck for them. The Mindcrank combo you described is much more legitimate than the other cards, but this issue is that removal in modern is rampant and the combo can't be played at instant speed and costs a lot of mana, abeit over multiple turns. It is certainly a synergy to build around, but the cards aren't powerful enough on their own and also don't work particularly well in a mill shell anyway. Fraying sanity is also an interesting new addition to modern mill. The issue with the card is that it costs 3 mana and doesn't immediately start milling your opponent, meaning you are tapping out on turn 3 doing nothing and hoping you aren't dead and can try to kill your opponent next turn, which is a lot to ask of your deck and your opponent's. Nemesis of Reason is 6 mana, and there are currently zero cards costing 6 mana or more in modern that are played without some sort of massive mana ramp. None of the other protection listed is at all viable in mill. They give your opponent removal targets and they slow down an already glacially slow "combo" archetype. Decks in modern are so fast, your 3 mana creatures that block a single creature and gain a few life aren't going to cut it. Surgical extraction effects are massively overrated, because most decks do not have a single card that is needed for their deck to work. Playing against a combo deck that uses specific cards and then surgicalling their Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle is great, but what happens when you're up against a burn or humans deck, where the only thing you can surgical is one of a sea of redudant spells within their deck.

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