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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Rare|
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Darkwater Catacombs occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
UB (Dimir): 1.07%
Darkwater Catacombs Discussion
3 days ago
Soldevi Excavations and Thawing Glaciers are too slow for the deck. You can not afford to play lands that don't tap for mana right away. Reliquary Tower just makes c-mana, which is a bit risky when you run a low land count (Ancient Tomb is an exception, since it makes 2 mana, which is too good). You could consider Reflecting Pool and Darkwater Catacombs as a budget option, if you're looking to run Tainted Pact and do not have all fetchlands + old duals. Thought Vessel is not a Tier1 mana rock, since it only taps for c-mana (Signets + Talismans are better). And it's handsize effect is not so relevant for Kess. We can play most spells with Kess if they are in our GY anyways. Hope that thelps.
3 weeks ago
What are your thoughts of these lands and mana rock in the deck?
2 months ago
Hey, nice start, welcome to Commander and TappedOut :)
You can't play 2x Plague Wight in a Commander deck. Can only play 1x of every card except basic lands. The Scarab God is a powerful card as Commander General and at $30 it's not a budget card so it's great that you have it to make your first deck with.
Commander's Quarters has good overall ideas for decks, but best to not use the manabases they provide as good examples of manabases. Quarters makes budget decks, but it's deceiving because the manabases that they use are terrible since they don't allocate any of the budget for lands. Manabases are an afterthought in decks Quarters makes which is not good when the majority of people that view their content are new players who need guidance in how to best play Commander on a budget. Manabases are just as important in Commander then what creatures or other spells you play because you can't cast those cards if you don't have the right mana.
29x basic lands is fine for a one color deck, but when you're playing a second color you need more dual lands that make both colors that way you don't get color screwed having only one color of lands, but cards in your hand are the other color. As you play more Commander you will see that the majority of expense of a deck comes from the manabase because good lands in Magic are damn expensive. Most lands are expensive price, but there's still budget lands that are good such as Command Tower which is $1 and is one of the best, if not the best land, for multicolored decks in Commander.
Lands to consider adding:
- Command Tower
- Sunken Hollow
- Fetid Pools
- Tainted Isle
- Choked Estuary
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Esper Panorama
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Temple of Deceit
- Evolving Wilds
Other budget cards to consider adding (ordered by importance/price lowest ($1 or less) to highest ($3)):
- Diregraf Captain
- Lord of the Accursed
- Undead Augur
- Dreadhorde Invasion
- Mausoleum Secrets
- Carrion Feeder
- Dark Ritual
- Gleaming Overseer
- Rooftop Storm
- Dimir Signet
- Death Baron
- Cemetery Reaper
- Midnight Reaper
- Graveborn Muse
- Dread Wanderer
- Buried Alive
- Fleshbag Marauder
- Ransack the Lab
- Final Parting
Other than Scarab God you only need a few budget blue Zombies and a few other budget blue cards, you don't need very much blue because the majority of Zombies are all black. Budget blue Zombies that are worth including are Diregraf Captain and Gleaming Overseer, that's it. Other budget blue cards that are worth including are Rooftop Storm, Countersquall, Negate and Wonder.
Because of the land situation not being ideal then consider cutting all cards with double blue mana costs? Cards with single blue and double black are fine, but double blue is too difficult to make with so many Swamps. Cards such as Pondering Mage, Curse of the Swine, Didn't Say Please could be cut.
Lords help to make your Zombies bigger by increasing their power/toughness (anthem) or giving them all other abilities. The four budget Lords (Captain, Accursed, Baron and Cemetery) are a good place to start to make upgrades. Captain and Lord are each $1 or less making them excellent first upgrades on a budget. Captain, Undead and Midnight are Zombies who give you value when your Zombies die and your Zombies are going to die especially from board wipes.
Buried, Ransack and Parting help to put creatures into your graveyard to use Scarab's activated ability with. Buried and Parting can tutor for and put Wonder into your graveyard which can be a win condition with Zombies giving them all flying. Parting can do both for Wonder, putting it into your graveyard and tutoring for an Island if you need it to activate it.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, Persistent Petitioners with Ashiok, Dream Render and Planar Void make a deadly combination for mill. Ashiok is good because for one loyalty he can exile all your opponents graveyards and you can do this up to 5 times. Mill is risky as a main strategy in multiple player Commander because graveyards are a huge resource for most decks; an extensive of an opponents hand. Exiling graveyards means opponents can't use graveyards as a resource after you mill them. Void exiles any card that's put into a graveyard, this includes your own cards, but this hurts your opponents much more than you because of mill.
You can have any number of Petitioners in your deck and they're two drops with 3 toughness. Tapping four Petitioners makes an opponent mill 12 cards. This is a good backup plan for Phenax who will not always be on the battlefield to mill your opponents. You can tap four Petitioners even if some of the them have summoning sickness which can speed up the mill of your opponents. 20x Petitioners is $20 which is budget, Ashiok is $2 and Void is less than $1.
Command Tower, Sunken Hollow, Darkwater Catacombs, Esper Panorama, Grixis Panorama, Ash Barrens are budget land upgrades to consider. Nephalia Drownyard is repeatable mill from a land that less than $1.
Good luck with your deck.
7 months ago
In my decks I'm showing Darkwater Catacombs , Boros Garrison , Cavern of Souls , Caves of Koilos , Dragonskull Summit , Evolving Wilds , Rakdos Carnarium , Sunbaked Canyon , Vault of the Archangel , Chromatic Lantern , Anointed Procession , Butcher of Malakir , and Cordial Vampire all as illegal in EDH. Also, the new cards from C19 have not yet been updated for legality, but since the official release is today that isn't terribly surprising.
8 months ago
Dig deeper into the Sultai Morph precon decklist and you can find lot of reason to buy it. The manabase alone may be one of the better manabases for a three color Commander precon. Eleven nonbasic lands ETB untapped which is by precon standards an improvement from past precon manabases.
Why are the Signet lands ( Darkwater Catacombs ) being printed as rare lands? These lands don't actually make mana without having another land/one mana first, this is not an ability that's rare. These should be uncommon since they're much worse than Filter lands ( Sunken Ruins ) which are also rare lands.
Land value in the precon (in order):
- Ash Barrens
- Command Tower
- Sunken Hollow
- Bojuka Bog
- Reliquary Tower
- Thespian's Stage
- Exotic Orchard
- Llanowar Wastes
- Yavimaya Coast
I'm happy to see Ash Barrens reprinted because it's land that should be in every Commander precon. There's 17 two drops which is an improvement for precon deck building. Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer , Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer look like good cards for morph. Silencer will however not hold at $10 of value it will decrease a lot. I don't know enough about the 13 other new cards to evaluate their value in the precon.
Valuable reprints in the Sultai deck (in order):
- Seedborn Muse
- Tempt with Discovery
- Thran Dynamo
- Sol Ring
- Strionic Resonator
- Hooded Hydra
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Reality Shift
- Grim Haruspex
Some notable exclusions for a morph theme:
- Dream Chisel : going to spike.
- Ixidor, Reality Sculptor : going to spike especially because of Scroll of Fate .
- Voidmage Prodigy : going to spike.
- Riptide Entrancer : going to spike.
- Birchlore Rangers : never been reprinted.
- Aphetto Alchemist : never been reprinted.
- Whisperwood Elemental
- Primordial Mist
- Zoetic Cavern
- Sultai Emissary
10 months ago
Been super busy lately so sorry for the late replies!
@Limo: Thanks for the upvote! I'll be sure to take a look at your deck!
@: If you had read the deck description I've put the relevant ruling for auras there as many get confused by them; basically auras only target when cast so if they are put into play as part of an effect (ie. Zur, Replenish , Open the Vaults , etc) they can be attached to a legal permanent of your choosing (as defined by the enchant ability) without targeting that permanent. As MtgMaster02 pointed out Triclopean Sight is indeed both backup to Daybreak Coronet as well as an effective means to get Stasis up and running.
@SlowMoon17: I'd say both yes and no. I've slightly drifted away from the straight 1v1 environment to make it more resilient and able to at least hold its own in multiplayer as well (due to the local meta). I feel like there are faster ways of combo winning ( Doomsday , Phyrexian Unlife , etc) but that's just boring. There's something about playing land destruction/ Stasis and seeing the light drain from your oppenents' eyes that just makes it oh so worth it haha.
@MordMetal: It really depends on how budget you want. Obviously don't foil it lol; but in all seriousness you can save a ton on the land base alone. Add more basics and tap lands ( Arcane Sanctum / Vivid Creek / Vivid Marsh / Vivid Meadow ), use Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse instead of fetches, etc. If your overall CMC is still low swap Dark Confidant for Dark Tutelage , Snapcaster Mage for Archaeomancer / Mnemonic Wall . As for Timetwister it really depends on what effect you are looking for... GY shuffle: Elixir of Immortality , Card draw: Windfall , both: Time Spiral although it costs double the mana (and untaps!) and is still expensive although still cheaper by a phenomenal amount. These are just some examples. I'd recommend doing an advanced Gatherer search (https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx) for specific effects you are looking for in a cheaper card variant.
@Dankey Thank you! I like running Jace, the Mind Sculptor for the Brainstorm effect (and Unsummon effect if needed) to filter away any enchantments that find thier way into my hand (so i can tutor them up for free). In 1v1 Jace basically lets me know what my opponent is drawing most of the time too; so for now I think he is just too versatile to get rid of.
@cango35: I really like Winding Canyons in most creature based decks but i think it'd be kind of a waste here for a few reasons. Firstly I overall barely have any creatures. Secondly the additional 2 mana is killer... it'd mean i'd need 6 mana PLUS the land to get it off and that's just not worth the luxury of flash in my opinion. Thanks for the suggestion though!
@Auraprime1984: There are a few options. The rest of the mana base is pretty solid, so to be honest it doesn't matter a whole lot. You could add more basics, the third painland ( Caves of Koilos ), Exotic Orchard , maybe Tainted Isle / Tainted Field , Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , Prairie Stream / Sunken Hollow , Choked Estuary / Port Town , etc. You could also use some tap lands like Arcane Sanctum , Celestial Colonnade , Fetid Pools / Irrigated Farmland , Temple of Deceit / Temple of Enlightenment , etc. Signet lands are also an option Darkwater Catacombs / Skycloud Expanse . You mostly just have to figure out what would work best with your build. Hope that helps!
10 months ago
I agree with Pikobyte on the protection options; they are all pretty great. Another option you could consider in the way of protection is Shielding Plax ; I prefer this over Diplomatic Immunity since it has the option of drawing you a card.
Now, as for making the deck faster, I prefer to [along with the more premium ramp spells] run some includes that synergize with Muldrotha, like Font of Fertility and Wayfarer's Bauble . Also, Burnished Hart can be pretty alright, but may be a little slow (Test it). I would cut Primal Growth and run faster ramp too like Rampant Growth , Farseek and Nature's Lore . I don't think this deck needs the extra card advantage from Cultivate either, so don't run that. The deck also can recur mana dorks if they die, so Llanowar Elves are a great card here, along with their functional reprints.
I like to run Seal of Doom as more redundancy for your removal.
I would upgrade the mana base - doesn't have to be anything too fancy, just some Kaladesh fast lands, check lands, and pain lands in place of Temple of the False God , Dimir Aqueduct , Darkwater Catacombs .
I would also consider adding/replacing mana rocks that can sacrifice themselves for benefits. ( Commander's Sphere , Mind Stone , Hedron Archive ). They will let you dig for your combo faster without giving up much of an opportunity cost.
[As for cuts, Phyrexian Delver feels unnecessary, as does Apprentice Necromancer . I would also try to find a balance between all permanent types (maybe even run some planeswalkers) in order to get the most out of Muldrotha.