Darkwater Catacombs

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Noble Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2016 (C16) Rare
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Darkwater Catacombs Discussion

Spirits on Kess, Dissident Mage

2 days ago

Cards that I don't like:

Darkwater Catacombs | In a turn 4/5 build, it's too slow. Basically useless in some situations and opposite of mana fixing

Fetid Pools | Enters tapped needs strong abilities, maybe turn 8 cycling would be good, but in a Turn 4/5 build, it's not a turn 1 through 4 land so shouldn't be in there

Great Furnace | I think you can fetch , a single on Turn 1 though 4 is terrible

Tolaria West | Great land, but what does it tutor for you that's a combo card, Mana Crypt is ok, but none of your combos are land based, I wouldn't run this. If you needed to fetch a specific land for a combo would be ok.

Big Cash $$$ Money Land Upgrades (Have fun with these): Underground Sea, Volcanic Island, Wooded Foothills (cheap!), Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest, Verdant Catacombs, Marsh Flats

I would go down 1 net land to 36 as well.

Cut list:

Devastation Tide | Miracle is too random, want to control your spells not have them control you. And it's a sorcery, as an instant it would be ok.

Cryptic Command has a pretty High CMC with , it's instant so it's better than some of the other sorcery/creatures, but could be a problem. It's VERY good card though, I would keep it worth the hard casting cost.

Scroll Rack mana sponges, it's too random, and too slow for turn 4/5 deck

Tolaria West go down a land!

Tutor Plans?:

Beseech the Queen >> Necropotence or Show and Tell or Laboratory Maniac

Demonic Tutor >> Necropotence or Omniscience or Enter the Infinite

Fabricate >> Sensei's Divining Top or Seat of the Synod or Mana Crypt (Add) (Not really that utility, doesn't pull any combo pieces, could be a cut list, I would probably cut this card)

Gamble >> Necropotence (High Risk, High Reward) or Show and Tell or Demonic Tutor

Imperial Seal >> Necropotence or Omniscience or Enter the Infinite

Merchant Scroll >> Lim-Dul's Vault or Intuition (Add it) or Mystical Tutor

Personal Tutor >> Enter the Infinite or Show and Tell

Tunnel Vision (when used to tutor) >> Mizzix's Mastery! (Downside is it misses Omniscience so need something it can hit to put a card from graveyard into hand, best would be a card like that with flashback) OR Tunnel Vision >> Yawgmoth's Will. If it discards a Past in Flames get a couple shots. I think Kess, Dissident Mage can cast the Overload cost from the graveyard for Mizzix's Mastery too if you do get it looking for the Yawgmoth's Will which then cast the Yawgmoth's Will.

Throw an Imperial Recruiter in there as well to Tutor a Laboratory Maniac heh

Trinket Mage >> Sensei's Divining Top or Mana Crypt (Add). He doesn't pull combo pieces so he can be cut. Once you have Mana Crypt he only cost you , without it, he's not awesome.

Lim-Dul's Vault >> Any Tutor cluster or Any two combo cards, hard to plan this one because it relies on random cluster, or a Necropotence

Long-Term Plans >> Necropotence or Omniscience or Enter the Infinite

Mystical Tutor >> Show and Tell or Enter the Infinite

Tainted Pact >> Entire Library with Laboratory Maniac, or a specific solution, or to find a final combo piece

Vampiric Tutor >> Necropotence or Omniscience or Enter the Infinite

Summary: Harder to tutor items (Enchantment) should be priorities, Necropotence or Omniscience. Kess, Dissident Mage let's you recast and pull another item in most cases to finish the combo Omniscience + Enter the Infinite, lots of tutors pull Show and Tell for you.

Street Wraith, Doomsday (Don't need Lion's Eye Diamond you have other ways to win with it) honorable mention for adds.

Intuition, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Grim Tutor, Mana Crypt are all-stars.

Capture of Jingzhou and Temporal Manipulation are good too, but not necessary, you're really just trying to combo win with Show and Tell + Omniscience + Enter the Infinite would focus on getting there.

Don't need Thought Scour, it builds the graveyard for Kess, Dissident Mage but it's too dangerous if it pushes a Omniscience or Necropotence

Frantic Search is better if you have a way to recur-it, like a Nivix Guildmage, but it does give you more control on the discard. The problem arises when you only have 1 card in hand, becomes the same issue I'm sure you experience with the Scroll Rack.

Leyline of Anticipation can be cut, but I like it. Helps with protecting the top-decking tutors. Actually works against Kess, Dissident Mage though if you delay cast, in some random cases.

Dreadbore could just be another tutor that pulls Hero's Downfall they do the same thing anyway (or a Yawgmoth's Will if you need to recast Hero's Downfall and have used Kess, Dissident Mage. And it's a sorcery (YUCK)

You need the Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots for Phage the Untouchable and Laboratory Maniac. You could lose the Swiftfoot Boots since you do have Artifact tutors, but I bet they are pulling mana sources not boots.

Phyrexian Metamorph could go too if needed. 9 Artifacts, and 7 creatures, BUT, I would keep it to copy a Vendilion Clique or Snapcaster Mage or Laboratory Maniac to win.

Temporal Extortion could be wasted spell, since i doubt your doing the extra damage, but in multi-player perhaps it may resolve due to politics.

Time Warp could come out too if needed, high CMC extra turns. Useful for mid-range play though.

Need to research a way to bring a card from graveyard to hand, if it has flashback, that would be AMAZING!

Guftders on Urborg in U Tron

5 days ago

Since my knowledge of Tron's mana base, is somewhat limited, I'll mostly ask you questions so that you can determine which land is the best to provide UB.

For example, how often will you have at least one or two islands so that Drowned Catacomb or Sunken Hollow will enter untapped?

Further, at just one or two copies, will you see Darkwater Catacombs often enough in the early turns that they enter untapped? If memory serves Tron tries to draw games out to stall until it assembles Tron, so it's highly probably that you'll see these too late to enter untapped.

I believe that Sunken Ruins to be somewhat superior for such a deck, as it will (generally) always enter untapped for a turn one Expedition Map, and will help provide superior fixing for Black mana.

Urborg is definitely worth considering. As you say, assuming you are against a non-black deck, Sundering Titan will destroy an additional land. However, how prevalent are black decks in your meta?

hfvalenz on The Scarab God - EDH

3 weeks ago

What's with Rootwater Depths lol, haven't seen those lands since like ever. There are lots of newer better alternatives you know:

Also, you should consider Dreadship Reef instead or in addition to Mage-Ring Network

In order to get the most of Scarab, I think you should take these cards into account:

Have you thought about Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip? She flips quite easy and all her abilities as a planeswalker could be relevant in a Scarab deck.

Wulfsival on The Great Pretender

2 months ago

The lands are always important. I have also created a Mairsil list that I haven't posted yet, but I would like to recommend some cheap lands that can help a lot, and also some utility lands. I honestly don't know why you're not running a Command Tower. As for the double color lands that mostly don't come in tapped: Darkwater Catacombs, Shadowblood Ridge, Dragonskull Summit, Drowned Catacomb, Underground River, Shivan Reef, Sunken Hollow, Smoldering Marsh. As for the utility lands, you've got Hall of the Bandit Lord, Flamekin Village and Hanweir Battlements.

multimedia on Super Friends Commander/EDH

3 months ago

Do you get land screwed, color screwed or unable to play cards a lot of the time because lack of mana production? The Avg. CMC for this deck is 4.6, that's really high without playing any ramp. No Sol Ring? I'm kind of confused, do you not like ramp in Commander? Some of your Planeswalkers can ramp, but that doesn't help you if you can't play them.

My suggestions are to add ramp and improve the manabase by cutting a large portion of the come into play tapped dual lands. I understand that Planeswalkers are price expensive and they take up a huge portion of the total cost of this deck, but the manabase is really bad. It would help the deck a lot to fix it.

You're playing green you can advantage of land ramp spells. You can accommodate land ramp by cutting a large portion of the come into play tapped lands such as Elfhame Palace and other lands like it for Basic lands. For a budget manabase with green you're much better off playing more Basic lands and cards that can tutor for the Basic lands then lots of come into play tapped dual lands. The Tri lands are great: Arcane Sanctum, Seaside Citadel, Opulent Palace and Sandsteppe Citadel, but these lands are powerful enough that coming into play tapped while bad is fine. This will speed up over all game play because Basic lands enter play untapped. Other lands to consider are the BFZ duals: Canopy Vista, Sunken Hollow and Prairie Stream. The BFZ lands have good interaction with both Basic lands and Check lands, Sunpetal Grove, etc.

For a budget $30-$40 manabase I suggest playing:

Dreadship Reef is a land that uses counters, great with Atraxa. Opal Palace is good with Atraxa because if you use it to play her she gets a +1/+1 counter which she can start proliferating, growing herself.

I recommend this manabase and adding a ramp package of:

Cornucopia and Chalice use counters which Atraxa can proliferate making these rocks pretty powerful. Even though your playing some board wipes that destroy all artifacts I still think having some artifact ramp is important to play Planeswalkers. It's more important to have the mana to play Walkers than wipe the board.

To make room for these ramp packages I recommend cutting some of the less powerful Planeswalkers because holy shit there's 28 total of them. Walkers like Jace, the Living Guildpact, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, Gideon, Champion of Justice and Dovin Baan. Also Praetor's Counsel and Primal Surge are just too mana expensive for the deck. Nevinyrral's Disk, Decree of Pain and Terminus are too slow and your playing a lot of other better cheaper mana board wipes. Terminus while powerful needs some set-up to be, Brainstorm and you currently have no malipulation of the top of your library.

Good luck with your deck.


SynergyBuild on Master Artificer

3 months ago

None of these cards are standard, but if you want to make this modern, switch the Sol Rings for Dimir Signets, and the Seat of the Synods / Vault of Whispers for Watery Graves and Polluted Deltas.

To boost the deck, take out all of the Vedalken Archmages and Disciple of the Vaults for Ornithopters/Memnites and some lands. Other good lands could be:

Quoyle on

5 months ago

I'm not sure the mana is right here...

CARD: MANA POOL

Simian Spirit Guide: R,

Darkwater Catacombs: UB,

Dark Ritual: UBBB,

Priest of Gix: UBBB,

Culling the Weak: UBBBBBB,

Laboratory Maniac: BBBB,

Doomsday: B,

...and now you don't have enough to cast Plunge into Darkness.

CaptainWanderer on

8 months ago

Non-Basic Lands I Am Thinking of Adding:Blue/Black: Darkwater Catacombs, Dimir Aqueduct, Dreadship Reef, Secluded Glen, Sunken Hollow, Sunken Ruins, Temple of Deceit, Watery Grave.

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