Creature — Zombie Goblin
Persist (When this creature is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
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Putrid Goblin Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hey Patrick, just wanted to say I love the content you're putting out, and you've really inspired me to start to look into Higher Power/cEDH decks to build for myself, my first high powered deck last year actually being a budget version of your Teshar list. Your videos are on repeat for me either in the background while I write papers. I would love to join the Patreon and support you, but I barely have enough funds to play magic even right now so that's out of the picture. All I can offer to you is my thanks is the statement that you're probably my favorite MTG YouTuber!
Please don't feel like you have to read any of the following, it's just my ramblings/a few questions but it may be a long read so I won't be offended if you don't read it, as I know you don't typically keep budget cards in mind persay. Also hey, if leaving a comment can maybe help this awesome deck of yours to get more traction/attention on tappedout for whatever reason, even better.
I've been building my own Belbe list over the last few days and I had a few questions about potential cards to include? I don't always play in a cEDH meta really but have some really close to cEDH decks like a more 75% Brago, a Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator + Vial Smasher the Fierce Curiosity control, and Godo Helm fairly often. I'm hoping to transition more towards cEDH in general and with this deck in particular.
As a college student with no real source of income right now I'm a bit low on funds and we don't typically use proxies in my group, so I don't particularly know if this is a good spot to ask about budget alternatives to the Mike Trike combo, but I figured I might as well give it a shot. I've watched the Cold Brew and the deck tech, but if I forget if you mentioned something from them I apologize when asking about a few cards. Do you have any particularly budget combos you would suggest that maybe you tried during testing? I recall you talking about Gravecrawler loops in the Cold Brew, and I'm thinking of maybe some of those combos as with the Bontu's Monument , Pitiless Plunderer and Carrion Feeder (already in my list) would be a solid win I feel.
Currently I'm mainly running a Protean Hulk line of Disciple of the Vault , Carrion Feeder / Viscera Seer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Lesser Masticore for infinite drain. My meta doesn't run much GY hate so I'm feeling decent with this, but losing one piece usually leads to waffling out. I know you mentioned a Phyrexian Delver line so I may look more into that, maybe getting it and and a one drop sac outlet first plus Putrid Goblin / Blood Artist with the leftover mana for the second Hulk trigger? I'm unsure if that's way too clunky, but I'll have to see.
My back up win is currently a Necrotic Ooze line or two, but not Triskelion / Phyrexian Devourer lines as both together are like, over $60 which is money I can't really shell out right now. Right now I'm doing Devoted Druid + Channeler Initiate and Priest of Titania + Pili-Pala lines for infinite mana of any color. Only current outlet I really have is Walking Ballista , which while good, I can't always rely on with all the artifact hate in my groups. I was thinking of adding more creature outlets maybe as they're easier for me to tutor (only black tutor I have is Diabolic Intent since I was able to trade up for one) Perhaps Ezuri, Renegade Leader since I have Belbe and other dorks (10 Elves Total) or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as overrun effects that I can sink infinite into? Or maybe something like Tergrid, God of Fright Flip to use the back side for an infinite Torment of Hailfire effect?
There were also one or two cards I wanted to ask you about, just to see if you thought they were decent enough to run in the list.
Bolas's Citadel is something I'm trying to run in my current list. It's been fairly diffuclt to get out with 3 black pips, but with Dark Ritual (which may be cut soon I'm unsure) it's been a nice thing to have, especially when I've been testing Aetherflux Reservoir with it? Maybe add a Sensei's Divining Top (something out of my budget in general, but I do have someone willing to trade me one) for a storm win? I feel like that could be a cool win con that makes use of colorless mana, and the pieces in general aren't bad outside the combo? I do think that with the high CMC of the deck, I will take a ton of damage of Citadel, but I think hitting a few pingers/dorks in a row and just gaining some life might be good actually? I'd love some feedback on that.
Decree of Pain has been working wonders for me. I know Culling Ritual was a godsend, and its a very amazing card in Belbe, but if my meta is very creature dependant I thought I needed more mass removal than just Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Culling Ritual . Toxic Deluge is a bit out of my range right now, so I was trying this and even if it is mana intensive, I think it's a very good card depending on your meta since it can be Cycled for 5 to kill all 2 or less tougness things? The cycling saved me once or twice against a Najeela deck with counter magic known to the table to be up. On the other hand while it costs 8, I've mostly payed for it with Belbe mana and drawn upwards of 6 cards off it.
Chalice of the Void I was able to trade for this and have been enjoying putting it on 0 for the Underworld Breach lines the Malcolm list uses in particular, or to even shut off some 3 cmc commanders after getting Belbe mana. Would it be better to trade this for another stax piece or two such as Static Orb or tanglewire?
Sorry for the long post. I hope you have a good day!
3 weeks ago
I really like your deck. I'm looking to make a similar build.
About the infinite life combo, as persist creatures I don't believe that Putrid Goblin or Wingrattle Scarecrow trigger Ivy Lane Denizen because they aren't green? I do like how Dimir House Guard and Brainspoil have the added value of being able to search up pieces of your combo.
3 weeks ago
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1 month ago
cfost827 To make the deck any more competitive, the easiest thing to do is to include more cheap mana sources, add more disruption, and cut the higher mana cards. I'd consider some more competitive cards like Mana Vault , Mox Diamond , Dark Confidant , Imperial Seal , Ad Nauseam , Opposition Agent etc. The cards you should look at cutting are the slower, high cost ones like Requiem Angel , Solemn Simulacrum , Archon of Justice , etc. This doesn't include Razaketh, the Foulblooded or Vilis, Broker of Blood though since they practically win the game upon entering. Tweaking the deck to give it 5% more power level can be difficult since such a small change is subtle. You're going to have to add and cut cards to feel it out and probably play a ton of games to test.
In terms of what to cut for more fodder, you could cut Archon of Justice and Sifter of Skulls for Carrier Thrall and Imperious Oligarch , or whatever 2 drops you want. Archon and Sifter are a lot slower than cheap fodder, so if you want more, you can cut cards like them. If you want more than 2 new pieces of fodder, you could keep cutting slower 4-6 drops like Solemn Simulacrum , but it'd impact your mana base or other aspects of the deck.
DubWubby This is a cool combo. You could include it, but you're right in that it's fragile and inconsistent. It's really strong in ideal scenarios like with Buried Alive or any time you draw Vizier of Remedies with any persist creature. However, it'd be hard to include for a few reasons. If you draw persist creatures and don't have vizier, they're weak sac fodder on their own, so you'd want to include few of them. However, if you draw vizier without persist creatures, then she's almost useless, so you want to include more of them. Finding the balance of how many persist creatures you need as well as what to cut is the challenge. Saying that, Putrid Goblin is almost as efficient as other 2 drop fodder cards, and both him and vizier have 1 toughness for Skullclamp , so they aren't irredeemable on their own.
1 month ago
what are your thoughts on using Vizier of Remedies with a persist creature such as Putrid Goblin or Restless Apparition for infinite loops? I know that it could be a bit fragile only having a single "-1/-1 reducer".
I'm thinking something along the lines of having a drain or card draw on death effect out, use Buried Alive to bury Carrion Feeder , Vizier of Remedies , and Restless Apparition , then mass recur with Gruesome Menagerie or Agadeem's Awakening Flip and start looping deaths. Could also use Rally the Ancestors to reanimate at instant speed!
Love the deck!
1 month ago
Throw in Putrid Goblin so you have another combo piece with Grumgully and Rhythm of the Wild. Mogg War Marshal , Impulsive Pilferer , and Beetleback Chief are other good disposable bodies you can throw in.
You also may want some non-Shattergang Bro ways of sacrificing your goblins. Skullclamp , Shivan Harvest , Goblin Bombardment , Goblin Chirurgeon , & Arms Dealer would be the first options to look at.
I would take out Goblin War Strike and Mob Justice. These damage spells are too board reliant to be consistently good and often can't dal lethal without a Krenko in play.
Both Domri's can come out as well as they are difficult to defend. Goblin can chump block 2/2s all day but suck a blocking flyers or any sizeable trampler.
If you want more cuts I would look at the following: Ferocity of the Wilds, Dralnu's Crusade, Goblin Dark Dweller, Earwig Squad, Renata, Called to the Hunt, Goblin Rabblemaster, Sparksmith.
I run a similar Jund goblins list but mine is helmed by Korvold, Fae-Cursed King who gobbles up goblins and often voltron smacks an opponent to death by accident. Take a look for some ideas. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasty-goblins-2/
2 months ago
i feel like the deck needs 2 things to be consistent, 1 a combo win with mill, and secondly a alt win con. the alt wincon is easy Carrion Feeder combos nicely with gravecrawler and other 1 cmc reanimation.
for a combo win there are a couple of options, first is using a sac outlet, haakon and universal automaton and anything that reduces its mana cost by 1, (meaning you can recast as many times as you like for free. the best choices ive found are Undead Warchief solid lord and alt wincon, Gravebreaker Lamia can tutor a missing part of you combo as well Frogtosser Banneret only costs 2 mana but has no other uses in the deck.
another option in the same direction is Pitiless Plunderer goes infinite with any 1 cmc reanimating creature and a sac outlet (so it also works with gravecrawler and outcast.) so is a more flexible combo card but less usful outside the combo)
lastly i would consider Judith, the Scourge Diva as a 2 of, as it dose the job of conrade but also you can remove creatures and its an anthem effect (meaning you alter mill plan will be more effective before you can assemble a combo)
hope some of these ideas help