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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Artifact Creature — Masticore
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
: Lesser Masticore deals 1 damage to target creature.
Persist (When this creature is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
1 year ago
Hey Patrick, just wanted to say I love the content you're putting out, and you've really inspired me to start to look into Higher Power/cEDH decks to build for myself, my first high powered deck last year actually being a budget version of your Teshar list. Your videos are on repeat for me either in the background while I write papers. I would love to join the Patreon and support you, but I barely have enough funds to play magic even right now so that's out of the picture. All I can offer to you is my thanks is the statement that you're probably my favorite MTG YouTuber!
Please don't feel like you have to read any of the following, it's just my ramblings/a few questions but it may be a long read so I won't be offended if you don't read it, as I know you don't typically keep budget cards in mind persay. Also hey, if leaving a comment can maybe help this awesome deck of yours to get more traction/attention on tappedout for whatever reason, even better.
I've been building my own Belbe list over the last few days and I had a few questions about potential cards to include? I don't always play in a cEDH meta really but have some really close to cEDH decks like a more 75% Brago, a Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator + Vial Smasher the Fierce Curiosity control, and Godo Helm fairly often. I'm hoping to transition more towards cEDH in general and with this deck in particular.
As a college student with no real source of income right now I'm a bit low on funds and we don't typically use proxies in my group, so I don't particularly know if this is a good spot to ask about budget alternatives to the Mike Trike combo, but I figured I might as well give it a shot. I've watched the Cold Brew and the deck tech, but if I forget if you mentioned something from them I apologize when asking about a few cards. Do you have any particularly budget combos you would suggest that maybe you tried during testing? I recall you talking about Gravecrawler loops in the Cold Brew, and I'm thinking of maybe some of those combos as with the Bontu's Monument , Pitiless Plunderer and Carrion Feeder (already in my list) would be a solid win I feel.
Currently I'm mainly running a Protean Hulk line of Disciple of the Vault , Carrion Feeder / Viscera Seer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Lesser Masticore for infinite drain. My meta doesn't run much GY hate so I'm feeling decent with this, but losing one piece usually leads to waffling out. I know you mentioned a Phyrexian Delver line so I may look more into that, maybe getting it and and a one drop sac outlet first plus Putrid Goblin / Blood Artist with the leftover mana for the second Hulk trigger? I'm unsure if that's way too clunky, but I'll have to see.
My back up win is currently a Necrotic Ooze line or two, but not Triskelion / Phyrexian Devourer lines as both together are like, over $60 which is money I can't really shell out right now. Right now I'm doing Devoted Druid + Channeler Initiate and Priest of Titania + Pili-Pala lines for infinite mana of any color. Only current outlet I really have is Walking Ballista , which while good, I can't always rely on with all the artifact hate in my groups. I was thinking of adding more creature outlets maybe as they're easier for me to tutor (only black tutor I have is Diabolic Intent since I was able to trade up for one) Perhaps Ezuri, Renegade Leader since I have Belbe and other dorks (10 Elves Total) or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as overrun effects that I can sink infinite into? Or maybe something like Tergrid, God of Fright Flip to use the back side for an infinite Torment of Hailfire effect?
There were also one or two cards I wanted to ask you about, just to see if you thought they were decent enough to run in the list.
Bolas's Citadel is something I'm trying to run in my current list. It's been fairly diffuclt to get out with 3 black pips, but with Dark Ritual (which may be cut soon I'm unsure) it's been a nice thing to have, especially when I've been testing Aetherflux Reservoir with it? Maybe add a Sensei's Divining Top (something out of my budget in general, but I do have someone willing to trade me one) for a storm win? I feel like that could be a cool win con that makes use of colorless mana, and the pieces in general aren't bad outside the combo? I do think that with the high CMC of the deck, I will take a ton of damage of Citadel, but I think hitting a few pingers/dorks in a row and just gaining some life might be good actually? I'd love some feedback on that.
Decree of Pain has been working wonders for me. I know Culling Ritual was a godsend, and its a very amazing card in Belbe, but if my meta is very creature dependant I thought I needed more mass removal than just Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Culling Ritual . Toxic Deluge is a bit out of my range right now, so I was trying this and even if it is mana intensive, I think it's a very good card depending on your meta since it can be Cycled for 5 to kill all 2 or less tougness things? The cycling saved me once or twice against a Najeela deck with counter magic known to the table to be up. On the other hand while it costs 8, I've mostly payed for it with Belbe mana and drawn upwards of 6 cards off it.
Chalice of the Void I was able to trade for this and have been enjoying putting it on 0 for the Underworld Breach lines the Malcolm list uses in particular, or to even shut off some 3 cmc commanders after getting Belbe mana. Would it be better to trade this for another stax piece or two such as Static Orb or tanglewire?
Sorry for the long post. I hope you have a good day!
1 year ago
Hey, well done with your version of Meren. You could increase the power level by adding a win condition combo that uses all creatures and you have lots of pieces already: Mikaeus, the Unhallowed , Viscera Seer , Blood Artist and Protean Hulk to get them.
Because you have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed then adding Walking Ballista gives you a combo to assemble with Protean Hulk : Mikaeus + Ballista + Viscera Seer . You can't assemble it with one Hulk trigger, but you can with two triggers which Phyrexian Delver is good for. Another combo: Mikaeus + Seer + Blood Artist + Lesser Masticore .
Some changes to consider:
- Walking Ballista --> Mitotic Slime
- Phyrexian Delver --> Journey to Eternity
- Lesser Masticore --> Yavimaya Granger
- Twilight Mire --> Jungle Hollow
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
This isn't a bad start for a 1st attempt. However, you may want to become a tad more creature focused and elevate the quality of the creatures - Lampad of Death's Vigil could be replaced by Viscera Seer a free outlet that gives you a scry. Additionally, you could add Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit and Lesser Masticore - with that free sac outlet you could scry through your whole deck and if you add an aristocrat like Blood Artist or Cruel Celebrant you can drain table; though I would definitely see if your group would be okay with combos before implementing them into a deck :) anyways, hope you enjoy the format.
1 year ago
Looks like a standard casual build. I'll reccomend running Nature's Claim, Assassin's Trophy, Blood Artist, Lesser Masticore,Footsteps of the Goryo, Protean Hulk, Apprentice Necromancer, Necromancy, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed - though a few of these I'll only suggest running them if you're looking to up the power like hulk and mikaeus the unhallowed
1 year ago
There are many steps in the casting of a spell, but the two that we are concerned with here are the last two. The penultimate step is the paying of all costs, which includes the discarding of a card in the case of Lesser Masticore. At this point, the Vengevine is in your graveyard. The final step in casting a spell is that spell is considered "cast". This is the point that Vengevine triggers. Since it is in the graveyard, it will trigger.
Hope this helps!!
1 year ago
So let's say on Turn 2, I cast Burning-Tree Emissary and then follow it up with a Lesser Masticore, and to pay the additional cost of the Lesser Masticore, I discard a Vengevine. Would the Vengevine trigger?
I am unsure if the Vengevine is already in the graveyard when it sees me casting the Lesser Masticore, or if I am already casting the Lesser Masticore when I have to pay the additional cost of discarding the Vengevine.
Thanks in advance for any help.
1 year ago
Hello everyone, since this worked out so well in the past, I once more ask for your input. I have a pretty solid Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck and I'm looking into improving it a little bit here and there.
Decklist can be found here:
Recent ideas that came to my mind are the inclusion of mana dorks to speed things up. What came to my mind are:
But I'm not sure whether they are worth it and what to cut for them. Alternatively I could use 1-2 more manarocks like Talisman of Resilience.
Furthermore I alwas wanted to include Wurmcoil Engine and while it's certainly not necessary in a combo deck, it's still a decent card to reanimate if the combopath is blocked or if more time is needed to prepare.
There still is the Hulk pile of Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Lesser Masticore and Disciple of the Vault which I'm debating to include, but the cards in seperate don't offer much value apart from being sac fodder and in case of Masticore a discardeffect (which is the same with Triskelion but he's just one slot vs three slots).
If you've come this far, I thank you for your time and your opinion on the deck and the presented ideas. Stay safe!