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Rules Q&A
Dark Salvation
Sorcery
Target player creates X 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens onto the battlefield, then up to one target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn for each Zombie that player controls.
jarncards on Dead WOMan Walking
1 year ago
Fiend Artisan is green
I think Sidisi, Undead Vizier is awful unless you use a lot of reanimate effects, it's just so expensive to tutor. Geth, Lord of the Vault is crazy strong, but he's a totally different deck most of the time. I'd dump Liliana's Steward too. You and one other player go down a card, putting the rest of the table ahead of you by one card, but they also get to choose, so you're never going to get the card you want out of their hand.
Hobbling Zombie and other cards like it, like Putrid Goblin are excellent at keeping attacks away from you while you build up your board. and the pseudo revival effects let you abuse a lot of other zombie mechanics. Butcher Ghoul, and Geralf's Messenger or Doomed Dissenter are ok too. i wouldnt use Sightless Ghoul though. They are all better than Reassembling Skeleton though. Keep Relentless Dead. Im not sure if they make the cut, but they arent scary, but that means they are good at keeping a target off your back til youre readyfor one.
Magus of the Bridge is great for a non-zombie. Probably use it over Tainted Adversary, i feel like that one just costs way too much before its good. Dreadhorde Invasion is incredibly good, as is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. i'd put those in for sure.Tormod, the Desecrator is still really good. Zombie Trailblazer is devastating to the person sitting to your left in particular or anyone playing five colors/ not black. When you REALLY need someone to not cast a spell. make all their lands swamps during the upkeep. almost every board wipe is a sorcery.
I think you might want to dump Thought Vessel for Mind Stone or even Blood Pet. In many cases discarding is beneficial to zombies. If you want to keep infinite hand size, Zombie Infestation and discard at will cards are pretty helpful.
I think Noxious Ghoul is the single best zombie card in the game, in this deck it basically says, tap your commander, wipe everyone else's boards. Use it.
Sutured Ghoul is runner up. If you include it and other high power zombies like Rotting Regisaur you can put him out as a 20+/xx easily, and then get 2/2s. HE doesnt play nice with mass reanimate, but he's an alternate win condition on his own. also its a great tool since youre probably gonna sac the dino and Phyrexian Soulgorger pretty quickly. If you sacrifice him on the end step before your turn i think you will almost always have a game ending horde.
Gray Merchant of Asphodel is utterly stupid. The absolute best reanimate target you could hope for. and since your card draw is gonna cost a ton of life, hes always going to be valuable. Whip of Erebos is probably the only other reasonable lifegain choice.That one makes aggressive attacking suddenly super safe
Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia is really cheap at making zombies if you dont have any other sources of decayed zombs. they cant block, but you get so many death triggers
Graveborn Muse is great card draw.
Hatred is usually better than Endless Scream
I think Gempalm Polluter is fantastic. its card draw, puts a big zombie into your graveyard, and hurts a player if things are going well.
I don't think Endless Ranks of the Dead is that great, but it certainly is cool. Wand of Orcus is really cool too. I'm not sure if its good though.
Board wipes will shut you down as you have things right now. Crowded Crypt and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, that way, even if there's a board wipe you still have a whole army of zombs to multiply even after everything is dead. Rise of the Dread Marn is another fantastic option that you can abuse if you run things like Carrion Feeder too. Run Carrion Feeder, period. It lets you loop gravecrawler and saves yourself from control magic and exile spells.
Consider Toxic Deluge and STRONGLY CONSIDER Nevinyrral's Disk. Single target removal like tragic slip is ok because you can choose when things die, but other cards like Malicious Affliction are going to miss a lot of key targets. And you absolutely need to have a way to clear artifacts and especially enchantments.
Dark Salvation is pretty cool. not sure if it is good enough, but i'd use it rather than some of your spot removal.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General is really absurdly strong if you can get it out, and even if it dies the next turn you can draw a bunch off of it. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip you already know is great.
If you diversify your black lands, Field of the Dead is the best land. its silly how good it is. I'll start you off with the autoinclude Unholy Grotto. Malakir Rebirth Flip is too.
I'll see what you make and see if i find anything else. later
zapyourtumor on Innistrad: Corpse Cobblers (Dimir Decayed)
1 year ago
Tainted Adversary - decayed zombie generator
Dark Salvation - Cheap removal and/or zombie generation in one
Cryptbreaker - can tap a bunch of zombies with decayed for insane card advantage
thefiresoflurve on Grimgrin - Needs your Help
1 year ago
Yylon Thanks for the info, graveyard dimir zombies sounds fun.
A few potential cuts, subject to your playtesting experience:
Dread Summons - sorcery speed, and the zombies come in tapped, so right away I'm not horribly impressed. I'd cut this unless your table runs incredibly heavy creature decks and you get upwards of 6 zombies from it consistently.
Similarly, Dark Salvation seems a bit too mana intensive for what it does, although I will admit I am biased because I like board wipes more than targeted removal (Esper gang).
All of your enchantments look really amazing. Open the Graves may be able to be cut, since it's a strictly worse version of Headless Rider in this deck.
Endless Ranks of the Dead is another maybe-cut, crazy as it sounds. I think this card is a bit win-more. It is really fun, though...
Similarly, Empty the Laboratory. If you have enough zombies on the field to make it impactful, you're probably already winning. It's also sorcery speed in a deck that sucks at giving haste.
Champion of the Perished can be cut. It isn't bad, but a vanilla 110/110 is just as easy to block as a 2/2.
All of this is, of course, barring any idiosyncrasies of your playgroups - maybe Champion of the Perished singlehandedly wins games for you. I think you have a really solid deck here, and just need to play some more and figure out what works in practice and what doesn't.
Happy building!
Rivel on
2 years ago
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- Aetherspouts - replaced with Noxious Ghoul
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- Curse of Unbinding - replaced with Buried Alive
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- Hour of Eternity - replaced with Patriarch's Bidding
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- Liliana's Devotee - replaced with Carrion Feeder
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- Open the Graves - replaced with Gravecrawler
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- Unclaimed Territory - replaced with Acererak the Archlich
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- Island - replaced with Final Parting
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- Mortuary Mire - replaced with Poppet Stitcher Flip
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- Liliana's Mastery - replaced with Necroduality
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- Shadow Kin - replaced with Plague Belcher
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- Eternal Skylord - replaced with Wonder
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- Ruthless Deathfang - replaced with Undead Warchief
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- Eater of Hope - replaced with Corpse Harvester
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- Go for the Throat - replaced with Gray Merchant of Asphodel
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- Dark Salvation - replaced with Headless Rider
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- Exotic Orchard - replaced with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
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- Swamp - replaced with Skullclamp
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- Syphon Flesh - replaced with Swiftfoot Boots
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- Prowling Geistcatcher replaced with Ashnods alter
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- Butcher of Malakir replaced with Diabolic Tutor
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- Gorex, the Tombshell replaced with Plumb the Forbidden
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- Havengul Runebinder replaced with Phyrexian Reclamation
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- Eloise, Nephalia Sleuth replaced with Vengeful Dead.
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- Forgotten Creation replaced with Exsanguinate
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- Stitcher Geralf replaced with Sidisi, Undead Vizier
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- Overseer of the Damned replaced with Resculpt
zapyourtumor on The Leftovers (Dimir Zombie)
2 years ago
I'd work on lowering your curve a bit. 4x Champion of the Perished would help there, along with maybe adding 2 more Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia (Which also triggers Champion). Cryptbreaker is another powerful 1 drop zombie.
Liliana's Reaver is a 4 drop that relies on pushing combat damage through to do its thing. 3 copies is definitely too much. Thief of Sanity isn't even a zombie, and it's a 3 drop, why are there 3 of them. Similarly, Dreamstealer isn't even a zombie either and doesn't synergize super well with the deck. Yes it has eternalize but it costs 6 mana so.
Some other good zombies: Diregraf Colossus (synergizes with graveyard subtheme), Lord of the Accursed, Death Baron.
Dark Salvation and Fatal Push are really nice removal spells, which can replace Infernal Grasp. Even with X=0, the former can kill most creatures, and if you have extra mana you can make some zombies too. For the latter, revolt shouldn't be too hard to trigger either with all your zombies running around.
GrimlockVIII on Raining Blood
3 years ago
Would any of the zombie token spawners be helpful? There's a lot that just spit out hordes and hordes of zombies for you to sacrifice.
Stuff like Open the Graves , Army of the Damned , and Dark Salvation come to mind.
You might need some more creatures for Open the Graves to work, though recurring creatures like the Squees are pretty good to keep fueling it.
Jonesbond49 on Zombie Tribal
3 years ago
Card advantage (7/10): Bone Miser, Cryptbreaker, God-Eternal Bontu, Midnight Reaper, Sift, Icon of Ancestry, and Witching Well.
Ramp (9/10): Bone Miser, Undead Warchief, Arcane Signet, Caged Sun, Nyx Lotus, Sol Ring, Thran Dynamo, Dark Ritual, and Rooftop Storm.
Single Target Removal (5/5): Dark Salvation, Liliana's Scorn, Shamble Back, Cruel Revival, and Liliana, Death Mage.
Board Wipes (2/5): In Garruk's Wake, and Zombie Apocalypse.
Jonesbond49 on Mono Black
4 years ago
It's clear that you want to be an aristocrat deck so I would recommend more creatures. Here are some that card that make creature tokens and are more budget friendly: Bastion of Remembrance, Abhorrent Overlord, Aphemia, the Cacophony, Dark Salvation, and Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder. Do you own Bitterblossom? If you do, then I would consider it. Here are three non-budget cards that you might consider after playtesting: Grave Titan, Bloodline Keeper Flip, and Ghoulcaller Gisa.
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