Front:Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|From the Vault: Transform (V17)||Mythic Rare|
|Magic Origins (ORI)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
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- Does Liliana, Defiant Necromancer's emblem bring back enchantments effected by Starfield of Nyx?
- Athreos and the Flip Planeswalkers
- Flameshadow Conjuring And flip cards.
- Flip Planeswalkers in creature form in graveyard and taking control of them
- How to handle each player controlling a Liliana, Defiant Necromancer emblem?
Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
Planeswalker — Liliana
+2: Each player discards a card.
-X: Return target nonlegendary creature card with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to the battlefield.
-8: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, return it to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step."
Liliana, Defiant Necromancer Discussion
2 weeks ago
The final ability states: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, return it to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step."
Does this work with token creatures? (In this case about a dozen 2/2 zombies.) I believe it should since it doesn't specify nontoken creature like the front of the card does, but it came up in an argument during a game yesterday.
Thanks for any feedback!
3 months ago
With regard to The Abyss - though I'm not the primary person to talk with on this: in cEDH it is likely to have a pretty low impact (meta dependent). Of course it's great against decks that rely on very few creatures, but at four mana for an enchantment which could be removed before you pass the turn (making it a 1-for-1) it is quite low power.
The majority of decks can assemble their win from very little, some fringe decks require a number of creatures together to win - these are often considered lower power, but against these The Abyss shines.
Cards like Nether Void are fantastic when you're able to break parity (like with Mishra, Artificer Prodigy ) but in this deck we would have only Liliana, Defiant Necromancer . Furthermore we're semi reliant on other player's on-stack interaction to stop us from losing early (consider why we don't run Defense Grid ). The downsides don't stop there: we can't win when void is out!!!
4 months ago
Hey, you're welcome, I like the changes.
Something to consider next is reducing the avg. CMC of your deck. It's currently 3.75 which is high when playing a three drop Commander. Ways to reduce the avg. CMC are cut high casting cost cards for low casting cost cards. With Liliana you want to be able to flip her the turn you play her. This makes one drops and two drops who can sac themselves good since they can by themselves flip Liliana and their CMC is low enough that you can easily reanimate them with Liliana, Defiant Necromancer 's -X.
I've been impressed with Cabal Therapist from Modern Horizons who can be a repeatable sac outlet even sacing itself. Blood Pet is another one drop who can flip Liliana by itself while also giving you mana. Carrion Feeder repeatable sac outlet who can sac itself. One drops that can give you value when they sac themselves are good because you can reanimate them with Liliana, Defiant Necromancer 's -X using 1 loyalty. Apprentice Necromancer is a two drop who can sac himself to reanimate any other creature in your graveyard. Bloodthrone Vampire two drop repeatable sac outlet who can sac herself.
5 months ago
Oh okay! If you're having land/card advantage issues, some Jace might be a good fit. But other than that...any Planeswalkers that can heavily drive you to victory work. A few on the top of my head:
And lastly, of course I must suggest Doubling Season (budget permitting).
5 months ago
Let's see if I've got your initial plan right.
Assuming Thousand-Year Elixir is on the battlefield, allowing you to activate creature abilities the turn they ETB.
Activate Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for some number of mana equal to the greatest power you have on the board (if with Muldrotha, that'd be 6). Or use Krosan Restorer to untap 1 or 3 lands (depending on if you have threshold), where at least one of those lands taps for more than 1 mana.
Activate Liliana, Defiant Necromancer 's -X ability, targeting your newly-dead mana creature. Here's the first hangup. The -X ability says "nonlegendary creature card," and Selvala is legendary, so she can't work in this interaction. So it has to be Restorer. This activation puts Liliana in the graveyard due to lack of loyalty.
Cast Animate Dead or Necromancy on a clone creature and have it copy Muldrotha, the Gravetide , forcing you to sacrifice one due to the legend rule. You keep the clone and send the original Muldrotha to the graveyard.
Using Muldrotha, the Gravetide 's ability, you cast Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip from the graveyard. Then you cast a second Animate Dead or Necromancy (because the first is still enchanting your Muldrotha clone), getting the original Muldrotha back from the graveyard, triggering the legend rule again, which flips Liliana again. You keep the original Muldrotha to "reset" the "one permanent of each type" restriction.
You -X Liliana to get Restorer back, putting Liliana back in the graveyard. Go to step 4, alternating Muldrotha and clone as necessary.
Am I reading this right?
In order for this to work, you can't use Selvala, Heart of the Wilds because it's legendary and Liliana, Defiant Necromancer specifically targets nonlegendary creature cards. For Krosan Restorer to be a good fit, you'll probably want to be at threshold (to hit three lands instead of one), and you'll want those lands to produce lots of mana, like the Gaea's Cradle and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun you mentioned later, with enough creatures to make it functional.
With so many moving parts, it runs the risk of being extremely easy to disrupt if your opponents have answers, but as far as I can see it functions aside from Selvala being a bad fit, assuming your lands are producing enough mana (and it should be mentioned that the aforementioned choice lands only produce green mana; you're going to need lots of black as well because Liliana and Animate/Necromancy is going to be alone, with a fourth if you have to cast both enchantments before you can get mana on the loop again.
Dipdac on Nathty Boy
9 months ago
Take a look at Raiders' Wake, Liliana, Defiant Necromancer, I would consider cutting Abrupt Decay for Krosan Grip since the mana costs in EDH can be so high, and I would probably get all of the Strip Mine like lands in there as I could since people will definitely be running Reliquary Tower. Reanimate and Animate Dead could be a lot of fun considering they hit creatures in any yard. Obvi want to get a Bojuka Bog.
11 months ago
You discard when the creatures enter the battlefield. Other ways to discard: Liliana, Defiant Necromancer, Liliana Vess, Faithless Looting, Tormenting Voice, Cathartic Reunion, Daretti, Scrap Savant, Sarkhan, Fireblood, Jaya Ballard, Sire Of Insanity, Mindslicer, Cunning Lethemancer, Anvil of Bogardan, Necrogen Mists, and Liliana of the Veil to name a few. Just search discard on gatherer.
11 months ago
griffstick thanks some of those should work rather well. I'm not sure your second idea works though... The dying creatures have to go to my graveyard to get brought back by Shirei. Which does make me a little sad but if I get Liliana, Defiant Necromancer's emblem then I just get to have everybody's stuff all the time. So the option does exist, Liliana was the commander of a previous version but my playgroup hits her hard every time she appears...
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