Thorn of the Black Rose

Thorn of the Black Rose

Creature — Human Assassin

Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)

When Thorn of the Black Rose enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.

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Thorn of the Black Rose Discussion

multimedia on Nihiloor Nightmares

1 month ago

Hey, well done for a first deck on such a low budget. I haven't seen this Commander before.

When you're just starting out building decks in Commander it can be helpful to have some basic deck structure guildlines to follow.

This is just a basic structure to get things started. It doesn't cover everything and your final deck may have different numbers for each part of the structure such as you might have more creatures. Some cards can cover more than one area such as Palace Jailer who is creature removal and can be repeatable draw which is really helpful.


Ramp is something all Commander decks need since you don't want to only rely on lands/land drops to make mana. You have Sol Ring which is really good, but that's where the ramp ends here. Only Sol is not enough ramp.

I always explain to new Commander deck builders that you need to be able to sacrifice (cut) some of the fun cards to add ramp to your deck. Since doing this will help gameplay so that you can more easily cast your Commander and the other big fun cards you want to play. In the case here my advice is consider cutting at least 9 cards to add more budget ramp?

Some cards to consider cutting to add more ramp are creatures who don't do enough for their mana cost: Gods' Hall Guardian, Living Tempest, Dread Rider, Shepherd of Heroes, Kor Celebrant, Ronom Unicorn, Brinebarrow Intruder


Like ramp all decks also need draw that comes from single draw effects and more importantly repeatable draw sources. Currently your deck has three good single draw effects Baleful Strix, Champion of Wits, Cloudblazer and one repeatable draw source Jace, Wielder of Mysteries. There's a reanimation theme here that can get you more draw from these creatures which is good, but consider more draw?

Jailer and Rose can be repeatable draw sources with the Monarch Emblem. When you have the monarch then you draw a card at your end step. Only one player in the game at one time can be the monarch and it can change players. As long as you are monarch you get the repeatable draw at your end step which is a big advantage.

For an opponent to become the monarch they have to do combat damage with a creature to you or play a card/effect that makes them the monarch. When this happens you loose the monarch and that opponent becomes the monarch. You can get back the monarch though by doing combat damage with a creature to the opponent who is the monarch or playing a card/effect that makes you the monarch.

Some cards to consider cutting to add more draw: Withercrown, Grave Endeavor, Arcane Endeavor, Smite the Monstrous, Extract Brain, Wand of Orcus


The area of your deck that you have a lot of is removal. I count 23 single effects of removal here. You can afford to cut some removal to improve other areas of your deck: Withercrown, Befuddle, Iron Verdict, Smite the Monstrous.

If you're interested I offer more advice in another comment. Including explaining how blink from single effects or repeatable such as Soulherder and Brago, King Eternal can be powerful here. Would you like me to continue with more advice?

Good luck with your deck.

SourRnaGrapes on One Attacker to Rule them All

1 month ago

CommanderNeyo thanks for the suggestions! I'll have to add Unmarked Grave in somewhere (might remove Thorn of the Black Rose). As for the recursion spells, they'll be great for recurring tutors, but I'll have to see which one fits best in there.

plainsrunner on Social experiments in edh

5 months ago

These aren't really combos, but any card that grants the monarchy, like Thorn of the Black Rose can encourage attacks that more hesitant players might not have made in order to get that extra card draw. And any planeswalker can also encourage players to change their behavior by attacking desperately to stop that ultimate.

ajz123098 on Jund

8 months ago

Grubbernaut i was thinking about that card but i like how Thorn of the Black Rose has deathtouch so is basically a removal spell. The Altisaur and boarding party are usually enough big creatures for the grindy matchups. I'd like to have as many ways to control the board as i can while being the monarch.

multimedia on Queen's Decree

8 months ago

Hey, well done on a budget.

Athreos and Plaguecrafter are good, but I don't think the rest of the aristocrat strategy is doing enough. Consider cutting most of it for more pillowfort and hatebears?

An advantage of having more flying hatebears is they can more easily get you back the monarch if an opponent gains control of it.

There's some budget manabase upgrades to consider:

Good luck with your deck.

MrMortifex145 on Mono Black Control - 2021

10 months ago

Apollo_Paladin yeah those cards are cool, however I think that to make them really work you'd need something to get even more value out of two-for-one-ing yourself. Many mbc list with Village Rites usually have a bunch of Unearth so you can for example sac Chittering Rats and draw two cards, Unearth for a second etb and cast Bone Picker, so for three mana you draw two cards, make your opponent skip their draw step and get a 3/2 deathtouch. My version is much more close to the kill everything mbc with Bone Picker to give it much more pressure, since I'm never triggering Bone Picker with my creatures because I have a ton of removal. If you want to go to the aristocrats kind of strategy that's cool, just that to make that work you'll need to take out cards, like removal. For the same reason Sign in Blood is a much better draw for my deck, because the damage you take is damage that the opponent didn't inflict because you probably killed the creature that would have attacked you, you can use it as a Shock to face so if you top deck it it's never really a dead card and with Gray Merchant of Asphodel I'm gaining a ton of life. Night's Whisper is a worse Sign in Blood, but I switched it in because some times I wanted two cards instead of a second Thorn of the Black Rose, of which I have two extra in the sideboard because Fall form Favor will make our life miserable against tron lol. Honestly I don't see Bone Splinters to be any good in pauper: it is card disadvantage, there aren't creatures that can survive Cast Down and very little Defile, and it is sorcery speed which is not great. However there are most likely lists that make it work, maybe a dredge deck can be cool. Thanks for the suggestions, I'm glad you like the deck, make mbc competitive again!:)

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