Songs of the Damned
Gain for each creature card in your graveyard.
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Songs of the Damned Discussion
1 month ago
I think I can help with this deck! I've built a lot of tribal decks and have pondered building Varina myself. I like to help thoroughly, so I am going to give a bit of feedback, and might separate the posts out for convenience. I'll also upvote it and draw some others to this page to provide feedback as well!
To begin with, I commend the choice of avoiding infinite combos. Though Varina has a few, she can be plenty powerful without them and while I play a lot of combo decks myself, it gets boring sometimes. I guess we'll start with cards to cut, and then we'll get to direction and cards to add! To begin with, the first thing to cut is lands. 43 is way too many for any deck that isn't a landfall deck. I realize that you are playing Field of the Dead and that lands help it, but you won't see that card every dame due to no tutors, and its potential is limited without access to green. Playing Field is fine, and you may even want to play Crucible of Worlds so you can just discard your lands and play them from your graveyard and for synergy with Field, but don't get too excited about it. 37 is the golden mean for most decks in EDH, and with an engine commander like Varina I'd play 35 personally, though 36 could be a compromise. I also don't think you need Flawless Maneuver. When your zombies die you can just bring them back! I don't think you need Reconnaissance either. Your Zombies are fodder for the horde, and you can just bring them back. Just don't attack with Varina and you have nothing you need to worry about protecting. Lazotep Plating is fine, but you'll mostly use it to protect Varina, so I'd think of it as a protection spell. Void Rend's mana cost is prohibitively highly (3 colors is too much). I'd just play Generous Gift instead. Smothering Tithe is a great card that I play in three of my decks, but I wouldn't play it in Varina. Its a slow grindy card more suitable to control and combo decks, and you'd rather be casting Varina on turn 3 and Zombies or Zombie spells every turn after. I'm not sure if cEDH is what you usually play, but cards like Stifle and Songs of the Damned are often a bit one off and limited for standard EDH. The latter could maybe be fine for flavor, but I'd definitely cut the prior. If you want a more flexible spell play Disallow which will be a lot more flexible. Nykthos Paragon is a neat idea because it does something with your life gain, but it is pretty high costed at six and isn't a Zombie, so I might not play it, but it will bring slow value if it isn't killed.
I'd also cut down on your card draw pieces. I never say this, but with Varina you'll see lots of cards, and can play a lot from discard or the graveyard, so I'd focus on the highest impact one and cut some of the bad ones like Plumb the Forbidden. Cards like this have limitations because you have to sac them (versus letting them die in combat), and you won't always want to do that. The best ones are the high impact ones like Teferi's Ageless Insight and Alhammarret's Archive. I'd also cut Bontu's Monument. The ramp isn't very good and the aristocratic effect isn't as good as you think its going to be.
Now for what's great here- all of your Zombies. Seriously, it's a great list, all of them! You also really want to play a few cards from your maybe board too. Syr Konrad, the Grim is a must play. Seriously, it'll be the best card in the deck bard none. It's not an infinite combo, but he's amazing with recursion cards, board wipes, and death (more on that below). You also need to play Haunting Voyage and Patriarch's Bidding. They are in your maybe board and are must plays!
6 months ago
Ancient Excavation, Dihada's Ploy, Fact or Fiction, Frantic Search, Forbidden Alchemy, Otherworldly Gaze, Thirst for Knowledge, Thirst for Meaning, Winds of Rebuke, You Find the Villains' Lair, Careful Study, Funeral Rites, Notion Rain, Ransack the Lab, Perpetual Timepiece
6 months ago
this deck has alot of mill and ways to get stuff in the graveyard (although missing Golgari Grave-Troll and Golgari Thug) but then...what happens next? like you swing with a big creature(and no Splinterfright?)? not sure what the game plan is here unless you misread old rustein. Some payoffs for milling could be Syr Konrad, the Grim, Kessig Cagebreakers, Dread Return and other good flashback cards, Timeless Witness and Eternal Witness, Genesis and Brawn, Woe Strider, Mausoleum Secrets, Songs of the Damned, just more cards that do stuff in the graveyard or care about the graveyard to go with the mill plan. Living Death so good. Necrogoyf might work. Egon, God of Death Flip.
also whats the all the dumb discard in the maybeboard lmaoo
8 months ago
now that black has Biblioplex Assistant you can infinite loop Songs of the Damned as long as you have Spark Reaper , Stinkweed Imp and Tortured Existence which is really sick we used to need red or blue. its a lot of cards but if you get imp and tortured you should just be able to combo off.
9 months ago
10 months ago
You might like these: Forever Young , Neko-Te , Nim Devourer , Wake the Dead , No Rest for the Wicked , Skirge Familiar , Songs of the Damned , Death Denied , Restless Dreams , Altar of the Brood , Millikin , Extractor Demon , Sifter of Skulls , Awaken the Erstwhile , Champion of Stray Souls , Dread Summons
11 months ago
Carnival of souls is quite the pick! I don't think I would run it, seems too easy to kill yourself. Though with enough aristocrats effects, I suppose you can get by.
In my grenzo deck I have about 20 non-creature cards. 2 of them inherently can be used in the graveyard and I decided on the others because I needed more interaction in the group I was playing against.
Out of those ones which you aren't running and I don't see in your maybe pile or deck that you should consider are:
Thran Turbine essentially a sol ring that you can use only during your upkeep on grenzo
Elixir of Immortality a way to protect your graveyard from someone trying to exile it
Desecrated Tomb makes each successful grenzo activation net you a Bat
Tel-Jilad Stylus lets you do 2 things -- repeat an etb of a creature already out, protect a creature from being interacted with. You can even activate grenzo and then use this in response to avoid targeted destruction. I've used this thing on Faceless Butcher to save grenzo from boardwipes.
Dark Privilege lets you block most creatures with grenzo, use it as a sac outlet and increases his power and toughness by 1. It also avoids lots of targeted removal, though not the most popular boardwipes.
Songs of the Damned depending on where the game is, this can be worse than dark ritual or net you 10 mana.
I would additionally suggest giving
a spin because it is some very good disruption, removes enchantments and lands. If you're lucky it can be a red timewalk due to bringing in the lands untapped.
A land you might want is Scorched Ruins . As far as you are concerned, once grenzo is out, this is like playing 2 lands for one. though there are obviously downsides.
My mana base consists of 36 lands and 12 creatures that produce mana, or in the case of
You have 6 out of the 12, and are running palladium myr which isn't a bad pick and I honestly forgot about it. The 5 which I haven't mentioned are Basal Thrull , Generator Servant , Treasure Nabber , Blood Vassal and Catalyst Elemental . With the exception of Nabber, they all replace themselves manawise due to generation 2 mana. I would avoid putting in manadorks that do not make 2 or more mana.
You might additionally want to consider
which lets you recur creatures or disrupts someone else's grave.
Since a grenzo deck usually does not cast that many spells, you can try throwing in some asymmetrical effects, such as
Eidolon of the Great Revel
to leverage that, though with the direction your deck is currently in, that doesn't seem necessary.
Additionally Shrieking Mogg can be used both offensively and defensively. If you know it's on the bottom, you can tap down an opponent before their declare attackers step. If it's your turn, tap down their creatures during your declare attackers step and all of their blockers will be tapped. It also neatly fits into the goblin theme you already have present.
1 year ago
You have an average CMC of 4(2.6 if you include lands). That's pretty high, and you have one low mana rock. You definitely have ways to get tons of mana, but they tend to be 4 or more mana, often they're 6 mana.
So I'd recommend the cards Dark Ritual , Cabal Ritual , Sol Ring , Mind Stone , Songs of the Damned , Charcoal Diamond , Worn Powerstone , Thran Dynamo , and Culling the Weak . You could have lines like turn one Dark Ritual, Worn Powerstone, and then cast Crypt Ghast turn two. You'd have 8 mana on turn three if all your lands were basic swamps. Of course that's a nut draw, though, so don't expect it every game.
Also, I'd really recommend Tendrils of Agony , because after casting several spells in one turn with all your mana, you can cast it and do a bunch of draining. It is possible to oneshot the table with this, but it's difficult unless you're explicitly trying to.
You'll also want ways to fill your graveyard for Agadeem and such effects, but I don't have suggestions on that right now.