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Songs of the Damned
Gain for each creature card in your graveyard.
2 months ago
In addition to the low average CMC of the deck, the deck runs the following 17 non-land cards to satisfy its mana requirements: Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Dockside Extortionist, Dream Devourer, Hellcarver Demon, Herald of Slaanesh, Rakdos, Lord of Riots, The Balrog of Moria, Treasonous Ogre, Burnt Offering, Cabal Ritual, Dark Ritual, Sacrifice, Songs of the Damned, Jeska's Will, and Seize the Spotlight.
Because many of the effects are single use or sacrificed to Rakdos, we also run 22 cards that can find or draw the above cards in addition to more lands: Burning-Rune Demon, Doom Whisperer, Immersturm Raider, Rune-Scarred Demon, Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire, Villis, Broker of Blood, Demonic Consultation, Entomb, Thrill of Possibility, Valakut Awakening Flip, Buried Alive, Cathartic Reunion, Demonic Tutor, Doomsday, Faithless Looting, Jeska's Will, Mizzix's Mastery, Reforge the Soul, Seize the Spotlight, Wheel of Fortune, Wheel of Misfortune, and Liliana's Contract.
10 months ago
Self-mill yes, opponent mill no. You'll want plenty of self-mill to fuel Nethroi along with lots of ramp since Nethroi is 7 mana to mutate.
Culling Ritual is a powerful card in multiplayer Commander that also provides ramp for Nethroi. Songs of the Damned goes well with self-mill + lots of creatures for ramp especially since Nethroi has 6 black mana in it's mutate cost.
Body Launderer and Karmic Guide are two good creatures with self-mill and they combo with a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer for infinite scry/loot. Activated Sleeper is an underrated 0/0 creature who also combos with Karmic. Braids, Arisen Nightmare is powerful draw in multiplayer Commander when sacing your own creatures helps you.
11 months ago
If you want to be more competitive with current low budget then think more about the areas of deck building to take advantage of Nethroi as Commander? For some improvements expand on the three most important areas?
- Self-mill and other ways to get creatures into your graveyard.
- A combination of creatures to reanimate with Nethroi that wins the game.
- Ramp to cast 7 mana Nethroi.
In the simplest terms these are the three areas to consider improving. Consider dedicating more deck spots to each of these areas? Out of these three areas you've greatly improved the second one, creatures who are reanimated to win the game. Next, make it easier to get those creatures into your graveyard to reanimate them?
- Satyr Wayfinder --> Ghoultree
- Grisly Salvage --> Dream Devourer
- Death's Oasis --> Brave the Sands
- Cemetery Tampering --> Sudden Spoiling
- Nyx Weaver --> Putrefy
- Faeburrow Elder --> Archfiend's Vessel
Sources of repeatable self-mill that's not dredge can be helpful. The problem with dredge is you want more draw to have cards in your hand to make up for replacing draw to dredge. Repeatable self-mill that happens at your upkeep then lets you draw for the turn. On low budget I wouldn't play less than 12 sources of self-mill/other ways to get creatures into your graveyard, it's important with Nethroi.
None of the cards I'm suggesting to cut are particularly good with strategies here. Archfiend's Vessel is interesting, but you can only use it once, that's not good enough when reanimation is a main strategy here. Faeburrow Elder is more ramp that can tap for two mana, but if you control a black permanent then it can tap for three mana. It also has 0 power.
11 months ago
I ended up cutting Crop Rotation for Songs of the Damned for a more explosive one time effect. Also, multimedia your comment about haste got me thinking and I discovered Mogis's Marauder which would make for an insane recursion event with Nethroi or with Living Death. Thanks again for all the feedback!
1 year ago
1 year ago
I like Doom Whisperer quite a bit given enough life you can chuck usually about half your library into your graveyard while keeping essential cards on top. Otherwise some one time uses are Benefaction of Rhonas, Gather the Pack, and Commune with the Gods
1 year ago
Why are you playing the New Capenna lands over more flexible options? Ash Barrens will almost always be a better card when paired with Brainstorm. I even think Evolving Wilds is probably stronger since you can sacrifice it whenever you want.
I don't understand what you are saying about Chainer's Edict. Only your opponent should be sacrificing creatures to it.
Snuff Out for sure would be great in your deck, but if you thought Chainer's Edict was expensive... :P
Have you tried Evincar's Justice? Just wondering since you are playing Arms of Hadar.
I feel like there is a cool combo with self-mill from Petitioners, Songs of the Damned, and Echoing Return. Just needs a way to filter for blue mana!
1 year ago
I think I can help with this deck! I've built a lot of tribal decks and have pondered building Varina myself. I like to help thoroughly, so I am going to give a bit of feedback, and might separate the posts out for convenience. I'll also upvote it and draw some others to this page to provide feedback as well!
To begin with, I commend the choice of avoiding infinite combos. Though Varina has a few, she can be plenty powerful without them and while I play a lot of combo decks myself, it gets boring sometimes. I guess we'll start with cards to cut, and then we'll get to direction and cards to add! To begin with, the first thing to cut is lands. 43 is way too many for any deck that isn't a landfall deck. I realize that you are playing Field of the Dead and that lands help it, but you won't see that card every dame due to no tutors, and its potential is limited without access to green. Playing Field is fine, and you may even want to play Crucible of Worlds so you can just discard your lands and play them from your graveyard and for synergy with Field, but don't get too excited about it. 37 is the golden mean for most decks in EDH, and with an engine commander like Varina I'd play 35 personally, though 36 could be a compromise. I also don't think you need Flawless Maneuver. When your zombies die you can just bring them back! I don't think you need Reconnaissance either. Your Zombies are fodder for the horde, and you can just bring them back. Just don't attack with Varina and you have nothing you need to worry about protecting. Lazotep Plating is fine, but you'll mostly use it to protect Varina, so I'd think of it as a protection spell. Void Rend's mana cost is prohibitively highly (3 colors is too much). I'd just play Generous Gift instead. Smothering Tithe is a great card that I play in three of my decks, but I wouldn't play it in Varina. Its a slow grindy card more suitable to control and combo decks, and you'd rather be casting Varina on turn 3 and Zombies or Zombie spells every turn after. I'm not sure if cEDH is what you usually play, but cards like Stifle and Songs of the Damned are often a bit one off and limited for standard EDH. The latter could maybe be fine for flavor, but I'd definitely cut the prior. If you want a more flexible spell play Disallow which will be a lot more flexible. Nykthos Paragon is a neat idea because it does something with your life gain, but it is pretty high costed at six and isn't a Zombie, so I might not play it, but it will bring slow value if it isn't killed.
I'd also cut down on your card draw pieces. I never say this, but with Varina you'll see lots of cards, and can play a lot from discard or the graveyard, so I'd focus on the highest impact one and cut some of the bad ones like Plumb the Forbidden. Cards like this have limitations because you have to sac them (versus letting them die in combat), and you won't always want to do that. The best ones are the high impact ones like Teferi's Ageless Insight and Alhammarret's Archive. I'd also cut Bontu's Monument. The ramp isn't very good and the aristocratic effect isn't as good as you think its going to be.
Now for what's great here- all of your Zombies. Seriously, it's a great list, all of them! You also really want to play a few cards from your maybe board too. Syr Konrad, the Grim is a must play. Seriously, it'll be the best card in the deck bard none. It's not an infinite combo, but he's amazing with recursion cards, board wipes, and death (more on that below). You also need to play Haunting Voyage and Patriarch's Bidding. They are in your maybe board and are must plays!