Thran Vigil

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Standard Brawl Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Thran Vigil

Enchantment

Whenever one or more artifact and/or creature cards leave your graveyard during your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.

Last_Laugh on Grixis Marchesa, The Black Rose

3 weeks ago

Nice deck, I love me some etb/death trigger abuse Marchesa. I do have some suggestions for you though and I'll break it down by card function.

Finisher:

Gray Merchant of Asphodel's lifegain seems counterproductive but with alternate sources of +1+1 counters your life total doesn't matter. In 9 years of running Marchesa, Gary has ended more games than any other card here and it's not remotely close. I personally recommend a clone suite to sac when he enters so they all reenter as Garys (Phantasmal Image, Flesh Duplicate, and Phyrexian Metamorph). Note that Imperial Recruiter abuse will look up Gary, Clones, and Bloodletter of Aclazotz in one go around the table.

Jokulhaups is a bit of a dick move, but it will end games since all your creatures come back to an empty board.

Alternate +1+1 Counters:

Anduril, Narsil Reforged is on attack and even gets counters on your fresh non-attacking stuff.

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed lets you abuse all your non-humans and he enables some infinite combos with Persist creatures.

Vigean Graftmage looks underwhelming but he comes down before and immediately protects Marchesa and he let's you abuse any etb/death trigger on everyone's turn (itself + 1 other).

Thran Vigil is only on your turn but this card still puts in serious work.

Metallic Mimic doesn't need a tribal deck here. When it first comes down you name humans or wizards to immediately protect Marchesa but you sac it to rename the type to your most abuseable etb/death trigger as needed.

Protection:

Ripples of Potential is a great answer to non-destroy wraths including Farewell.

Removal:

Canoptek Tomb Sentinel will hit anything non-land but most importantly it's an abuseable effect that hits enchantments.

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated (especially since it'd be upvote #200). Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them

Last_Laugh on Marchesa, the Black Rose

3 weeks ago

This is a good start, but I have several suggestions for you. I'll keep things budget friendly, break it down by card function, and if you'd like I can help suggest some cuts too.

Enchantment Removal: So you don't get caught with your pants down against effects like Solemnity/Rest in Peace. Feed the Swarm, Chaos Warp, and Canoptek Tomb Sentinel all deserve spots.

Alternate +1+1 Counter Sources: Sage of Fables/Vigean Graftmage come down before and immediately protect Marchesa. Sage let's you abuse any other wizard etb/death triggers every turn and Vigean allows you to abuse any 1 etb/death trigger (itself plus 1 other). Spark Double either copies Marchesa so they protect your board better and give double Dethrone triggers or it copies your best etb/death trigger every turn. Thran Vigil only works on your turn but works wonders here. Anduril, Narsil Reforged/Metallic Mimic are also great options but aren't as budget friendly (just sac Mimic to rename a creature type to whatever is most abuseable the time).

Card Draw: Danny Pink is a little more expensive but is absolutely nuts here. Lethal Scheme is card draw and surprise protection for anything without counters. Plumb the Forbidden in response to most non-destroy wraths will win games.

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. I run the same etb/death trigger abuse strat and have had Marchesa built for about 9 years now so if you have any questions, shoot. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated (especially since it'd be upvote #200!). Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them

legendofa on Modern Horizons 3

1 month ago

Thran Vigil + Evolution Witness. There's gotta be something there. Put all artifacts and creatures from your graveyard into your hand and put that many +1/+1 counters on Evolution Witness.

Taida on golgari something or another

1 month ago

The idea of the deck looks good, but it is torn between landfall and zombies, I would recommend going for either one, but maybe not both. For zombies I cannot help you, I barely play with them, but if you want, there is a fun combo using Putrid Goblin and Thran Vigil, then killing the goblin. This will make it come back without the -1/-1 counter from persist, so if you have a sac outlet, you have basically infinite etb effects (and any other bonus the sac outlet gets you). You could also use some Deadly Dispute, drawing you cards and getting the Gravecrawler on the graveyard.

For landfall, get some fetchlands. They double the number of triggers.

Also, you might need some interaction. I do not think Pick Your Poison is enough, and getting some instant speed removal might be nice

Last_Laugh on Marchesa, the Black Rose

2 months ago

I have several suggestions for you. I'll keep things budget friendly and if you're picking up what I'm putting down, I can also help suggest some cuts.

First off is enchantment removal. There's hardly any options in th5ese colors but I recommend running all 3 so problematic enchantments like Solemnity or Rest in Peace don't wreck your day. Chaos Warp, Feed the Swarm, and Canoptek Tomb Sentinel are all budget friendly and worth their weight in gold here. Another good boardwipe here is Last One Standing.

I don't really do theft in my Marchesa list, but Gisa, Glorious Resurrector is the exception and holy crap does she put in some dirty work.

Next is card draw. Liliana's Standard Bearer, Lethal Scheme, Plumb the Forbidden, and Sage of Fables are all good budget options here. Sage will also come down before Marchesa and immediately give her or any other wizards you run a +1+1 counter. Plumb in response to boardwipes or right before your turn will refill your grip (instant speed and pseudo dodging counterspells makes this card). Also, Danny Pink's price has been sloooowly climbing but it's a very real possibility you'll find one in your LGS dollar binder and omg is this thing absolutely nuts!

On the subject of alternate sources of +1+1 counters... Thran Vigil only works on your turn but it'll get new counters on anything you stole and sac'ed on your turn. Vigean Graftmage let's you sac 2 creatures on everyone's turn (itself + whatever) to abuse etb/death triggers like Gray Merchant of Asphodel or even Grim Haruspex card draw. Spark Double I guess falls into this category and copies either Marchesa for double Dethrone or whatever your meanest etb/death trigger is at the time.

I'm also guessing Rakdos Locket was supposed to be Rakdos Signet.

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. It's far from budget friendly overall but I run everything I recommended. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them

Last_Laugh on Marchesa's Undying Sac

4 months ago

Alternate sources of +1+1 counters enables you to sacrifice the same creatures on everyone's turn instead of once per round and being less reliant on attacking to get those counters is HUGE here. I run all these personally (except Drana, which got dropped for the sword).

Unspeakable Symbol gets used in response to removal or to abuse an etb/death trigger. Don't proactively put counters on everyone or you will run out of life quick. This card is quite simply amazing here when used correctly.

Sage of Fables immediately protects Marchesa and any other wizards you have.

Metallic Mimic typically names humans or wizards to protect Marchesa but the creature type can be reset with a simple sac.

Vigean Graftmage looks unassuming but he allows you to abuse any etb/death trigger on everyone's turn and it's 2 free triggers per turn for stuff like Grim Haruspex (itself and 1 other creature).

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is about as budget friendly as he'll ever be. It's well worth a spot if you splurge on occasion.

Uncivil Unrest is the best card printed for sacrifice Marchesa decks in a loooong time. This thing borderline feels like you're cheating somehow lol.

Anduril, Narsil Reforged if it's in your budget and/or Drana, Liberator of Malakir as a perfectly usable budget alternative. These both allow you to swing at any opponent instead of only attacking the highest life.

Thran Vigil only works on your turn, but it either protects your guys after you sac on your turn or it let's you sac them 1 more time on an opponent's turn.

Feel free to check out my list for inspiration. I've had Marchesa built for about 9 years now and I'm still loving the deck. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them

Heavensgates on Marchesas' Thorns

7 months ago

Cmi1103 Those are some great comments and suggestions, thanks!

I either missed Anduril, Narsil Reforged or it was a bit out of my budget at the time I first saw it. A copy of it is on the way!

I used to have Thran Vigil, until it hit me that it was only a single +1/+1 counter, no matter how many cards come in and it was only on your turn. I cannot remember what I swapped it out for, but I am unwilling to use it, given its constraints. Had it been one counter per turn, I would still have it.

I will seriously consider Spark Double, so many legendary cards are worth copying, commander included, just gotta figure out what to dump for it.

Ashnod's Altar is in the deck, Goblin Bombardment will go in my thinking pile, free sacs are nice indeed.

I used to have Flayer of the Hatebound in the deck combined with Stalking Vengeance for a double whammy, but I took em out to go another direction.

I also like to walk the dangerous line of not being the one with the most lives, often not blocking attacks to drop my lives to activate dethrone. It's also why I use all those pain talismans. So Gray Merchant of Asphodel is not really an option I am willing to entertain.

Wish I had a Dockside Extortionist!

I stole your Danny Pink and am thinking on your Kardur, Doomscourge as well.

Looking through your decklist, I see you are using Mahadi, Emporium Master, an alternative could be Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge, same CMC, but he flies, does not require the black mana and is 5/4 instead of 3/3, downside is you need 4+ artifacts for him to attack and he will not spawn a treasure when tokens die.

Another interesting free sac outlet is Grimgrin, Corpse-Born, free sacs, adds +1/+1 counters on himself (and untaps!) and kills a target and buffs again when attacking.

Another interesting creature I toyed with that serves as a good defender and gives you perfect control of your life total (on the downside) is Mischievous Poltergeist, stops anything that is not trample or unblockable and survives many kinds of board wipes all while allowing you to drop your life total to the same level as the highest life total at instant speed!

Otherwise, Skullclamp, 1 mana for 2 extra card draws? Sign me up!

Thanks for the comments and the upvote and here is one back from me (I tried, but I get a 404 page when I click the button...)!

Last_Laugh on Roses of May -- (Marchesa Threaten)

7 months ago

Danny Pink is an amazing draw engine here. Between all the +1+1 counter effects like Uncivil Unrest, Sage of Fables, Thran Vigil, and Dethrone, this draw adds up fast.

Thran Vigil is limited to your turn but with theft Marchesa especially, this is less of an issue. Most of your thievery and subsequent sacrifices will happen on your turn and this ensures your newly acquired toys are immediately protected instead of being vulnerable for a turn cycle.

I'm surprised you don't run Gray Merchant of Asphodel over Kokusho. I run both personally but I can end games fast with Gary (clones and Saw in Half) but Kokusho may end up on the chopping block soon for me because not only is he a slower finisher, he's more expensive to cast. Meta call for lots of "no etb" effects?

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them

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