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High Tide Discussion
1 week ago
1 week ago
Tolaria and swarmyard I like, but being non-islands makes a High Tide win harder.
Also I plan on putting blue sun back in, I was testing staff as an easier drawing outlet but blue sun is an easier tutor.
Memory Crystal is worth keeping because it allows for earlier wins. Getting whim to be 1 mama is much easier than playing then copying Sapphire Medallion most turn 4 wins involve this card early for me.
Drift is good because it basically doubles the chance of Spellseeker Spellseeker is the best card in the deck honestly, its the only thing that the card is intended for.
The issue with a lot of cards you don't like is me struggling to always win with infinite mama. It's getting better but I've had some games that I can infinite mama turn 2 or 3 and have no card draw outlet due to resources getting other turn 1 or 2.
I might get rid of Inga Rune-Eyes because it's too conditional and I could get something better.
Extraplanar Lens I'm conflicted on because it enables a lot of good stuff. It's bacially a worse high tide in most cases. It synergizes really well with the untaps cards like Hidden Strings . Combining off feels mostly based on the mama produced > spell cost ratio and increasing mana production is important. I will consider more by playing though.
These fringe tutors in cedh are actually extremely important though to get cards to combo off of. I think blue black orvar is prob better than mono blue, mostly access to ad naus and good tutors but I like trying to make mono blue work.
1 week ago
Other cards you might consider: - High Tide . Why are you not running High Tide? It makes going off with Orvar super easy, and it's tutorable with Spellseeker . Casting it multiple times by recurring it with Archaeomancer or Mystic Sanctuary is great. - Dizzy Spell . Can be used defensively and to trigger Orvar, but it also tutors for most of the repeatable spells ( Clockspinning , etc.). - Sudden Substitution . "Nice Expropriate you've got there. Why don't we trade? You get this Spellseeker I've already used, and I'll get your extra turns. And a new Spellseeker. No, you don't get to respond." - Merchant Scroll . Tutor all the instants. - Spark Double . Lets you have any number of Orvars. Targeting one Island and getting eight is rather nice. - Glimpse the Cosmos . Dig six cards deep for at most . - Confounding Conundrum . Replaces itself and slows down the opposing ramp decks, getting more punishing with every copy. Eventually acts as a way to draw your deck. (Generate infinite mana, then copy it decksize times.)
More spendy suggestions: - Sakashima of a Thousand Faces . Like the original, can enter without becoming a copy, meaning you can target him and make a token version—which can enter as a copy of something. Also lets you have any number of Orvars. - Treachery . Goes infinite in the same way as Peregrine Drake , while also providing value without Orvar or a repeatable target source. - Palinchron . Goes infinite in the same way as Peregrine Drake, and can even go infinite without Orvar, provided you have something like ...
2 weeks ago
Ok, so as a beforehand this may be a longer post because I'm debating turning my casual Orvar list into a cEDH list myself. So it'll be a bit of out loud brainstorming :P Hope it's helpful and not TLDR...
Lands: Tolaria West as an additional tutor for Mystic Sanctuary or Nykthos (or in a pinch a mana rock or pact of negation on a combo turn)
Swarmyard can provide some incidental protection for Orvar
Things I'm considering that aren't on your list Creatures:
Spellstutter Sprite With Orvar out it hits any two drop. being able to gradually increase it's effectiveness with one mana cantrips seems good, especially when you are also playing cloud of fairies... which leads me into
Glen Elendra Archmage is a little high on the CMC side, but we're already running lots of 4 drops and a six drop as a potential win con. So I think at first glance the downside is negligible. Plus it plays into the inadvertent fairy theme...
Artisan of Forms is literally the best creature on the field. Both hers and Orvar's ability trigger's on cast. So you just stack her trigger first then copy whatever she becomes and get that as the token. Instant speed Dockside Extortionist ?
Vedalken AEthermage Literally only running for wizard cycling. Most of our outlets are wizards. In your current list you have 8. all worth tutoring for IMO. I'm currently running like 9-10 so it's pretty impactful
Venser, Shaper Savant Acts like spellstutter sprite, but hit's anything. And you can just let the copy go away upon resolution of the legend rule.
Spells: For sake of brevity I'll just list the cards you don't have on your list that I'm considering and why I'm considering them...
Glamerdye can target lands (which is probably one of Orvar's strongest abilities) and it has retrace, so it's recurable, and instant speed. all plusses.
Dizzy Spell tutor or copy trigger. essentially a modal spell. very good.
Cerulean Wisps cantrips and untaps a creature, potentially very useful depending on cedh meta. I have Kraum and Pako in mine so having a blocker is often needed. Also can help slow annoying tymna.
Rescue is interesting, still not sold on it. But it does give you a copy of a creature, and allows you to save/replay an etb critter. Orvar is able to mitigate losing creatures by making copies of them usually, but he can't save himself and copying into a board wipe does nothing.
Blink of an Eye target's permanents, can draw you a card and there is another card with a different name that does the same thing
Flood of Recollection Pet card of mine, single use but I like it on turns I want to go off with High Tide and don't want to exile it with JVP or Snapcaster. works well with Narset's reversal too...which I'm not running lol.
Run Away Together considering this as a way to deal with a threat and copy one of my creatures.
Cards I love:
Energy Tap this is great. didn't even consider it. solid inclusion.
Time Spiral and transmute artifact... mentioning these just because I'm jealous...
Treachery Ditto ^
Sakashima of a Thousand Faces love the silly synergy with Nykthos. Ridiculous.
Pyre of Heroes This is silly, didn't even see this spoiled. Birthing pod in colorless? are they crazy!
Cards I'm "meh" on:
Memory Crystal You're only running (I think) two buyback spells. So most of the time it's a dead card. I see Drift of Phantasms, but id rather be tutoring for the buyback card or something more impactful. Also copying sapphire medallion helps buyback and other non buyback spells.
Drift of Phantasms very linear tutor in cedh imo. I get that it hits hullbreacher, spellseeker, etc. I think I would personally rather slot additional control. But if you love the card run the card.
Inga Rune-Eyes Not impactful enough for me in a 4 drop slot. scrying one statistically is akin to drawing half a card, so three is one and a half?. You could run the 3 drop fairy that draws you a card for more fairy synergy lol... sorry, maybe I have a fairy problem. Also, I'm not sure how often you'll get her second line to happen. I don't see how you trigger that without investing multiple cards to copy her? unless I'm missing something? does it happen often for you?
Grim Monolith without an infinite mana outlet I don't think it does enough. Also I didn't Sol Ring in your list easy swap?
Extraplanar Lens In general I think this is a bad card. ramp it out early and someone smashes it, your down a land and probably a turn. Plus you have to imprint a land every time you make a copy of it. so the downside for their removal becomes even greater in my estimation. Orvar already ramps well enough to not need this card. but high risk high reward I guess.
I'm also soft on the tribute/trinket mage. They're good for the thing they grab but they're not ultimately what I want to be copying. you could run Shipwreck Dowser and Salvager of Secrets instead and lean into the Archaeomancer synergies, but then our cost is getting higher, and obviously you could copy what they tutor for... back to the balance of creature targets vs permanent targeting spells...
I think that's it... If I missed why you are running something let me know, like I said I'm brainstorming myself so the discourse will be super helpful for me, hope this was helpful for you! Also I should go back and read comments... yeah I'm that guy...
Thanks for posting the list!
2 weeks ago
Memnarch is dope.
Forsaken Monument also goes inf w basalt monolith and is useful generally.
I like Tezzeret the Seeker to fetch your Sol Ring or Mana Crypt ... wait. Where's your sol ring!!!!
Also would run Arcane Denial , Swan Song , Delay , Disallow , Dissipate , or Wizard's Retort over cancel. Anything but cancel!
Also High Tide is nice but if you run this or Caged Sun i would cut the urzas land and command tower in favor of islands. is just soo good. No need to mess with urzas lands unless you have dedicated land tutors like Tolaria West .
Just some thoughts, cheers and have fun!!
1 month ago
Orvar - will more than likely be the definitive High Tide commander.
Bigri - fits very well into a few high teir commanders but probably won't be enough on it's own.
Aegar - I think this card has real potential. It's basically overkill (mechanic from hearthstone) edric spellslinger.
Valki - has some cool interactions with cascade but I see it as more of an in the 99 card in specifically kroxa and Yidris.
Tergrid - too strong for casual too weak for cedh. This card is an incredible value engine it may slot nicely into a reanimator strategy but it'd be fighting for the slot against some very heavy hitters.
I personally don't think anything outside of tibalts tricky and mystic reflection will see more than fringe play and the power level overall is about a 5-6 for most of the set.
2 months ago
Happy new year, Spirits! Pirate's Pillage seems like a great addition that I had never even considered. Throughout the day I made adjustments to the deck, and I think at this point it’s just a matter of cutting some things.
The copy package does seem a bit excessive, so I’ll probably make some cuts there. I’m still not sure about Aetherflux Reservoir, because it’s a great payoff for infinite copy loops that are just mana neutral (like Reiterate + Snap ), but the entire deck is full of good stuff at this point. I’m also conflicted on Mind's Desire for the exact same reason. It can just win the game if you can cast it with a storm count from a Reiterate combo, but so can several other cards.
Any thoughts on the interaction/counters portion of the deck? It’s definitely less than I would typically run, but I don’t think a combo deck like this can really afford the hit to its consistency by adding much more. I’m also lukewarm on my evaluation of Curse of the Swine. It can only hit creatures, and the sorcery speed is kind of annoying.
Also, the mana base makes me a little uncomfortable. I’m running all of the inefficient fetches so I can have Islands for High Tide without giving up the ability to have more red sources if I need them, but that does make it super slow, with a ton of taplands. It’s not like my friends are running anything better though, so that’s reassuring at least.
On a slightly different note, are you working on any decks currently?
2 months ago
Decks coming together, did a play test, had an opening Gamble and Dualcaster Mage but not Twinflame to tutor! I think without a Twinflame and Riptide Laboratory which means Dockside Extortionist I wouldn’t run Dualcaster Mage, Fork would likely give you more utility.
I see you’ve decided to go with Intuition, I finally got one!! Last day of Boxing Day sale and came in stock $137 (Canadian $’s = $100 USD), and Enter the Infinite / Mizzix's Mastery / Past in Flames. What I don’t see if the Faithless Looting (if they give you Enter the Infinite) to Past in Flames and then Intuition for Faithless Looting to discard Enter the Infinite then Mizzix's Mastery. I guess you could Pull from Tomorrow for 0 if you had to with some mana ramp spells!
I got advice on discord about Thassa's Oracle the argument was that once you’ve drawn you deck it’s already a win, don’t need the fish at that point, it’s not like we are fish/consul or fish/pact, there is a blue enchantment (name escapes me) for 0 can exile your whole library that would be an argument, but that card awful prevents 1 damage or something. Anyways, the argument is, why not just Underworld Breach that way Frantic Search + Reiterate is same as Stroke of Genius. And breach is just good.
I can’t remember all the Ral, Storm Conduit interactions I would double check Commander Spellbook, my guess you have the good ones based on the list.
Not a fan of Jaya's Immolating Inferno Mizz doesn’t have the supporting creatures, could be dead in hand for long stretches and early game.
Looking good, some expensive cards in there though!
Just notified me you posted a message too, I’ll read through that in the morning.