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Creature — Elephant
When Terastodon enters the battlefield, you may destroy up to three target noncreature permanents. For each permanent put into a graveyard this way, its controller puts a 3/3 green Elephant creature token onto the battlefield.
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5 days ago
@smashadams83. I love Crop Rotation and think it can be an all-star in the right deck (like this one: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shattergang-lands-brewing/) but I think Id rather run Sylvan Scrying in a list like this. You lose instant speed and have to pay one more mana, but you dont have to sacrifice a land. There are several utility lands this deck wants to find like Shizo or Oran Reif so you should always have a target to dig for. That said, if you have access to Demonic Tutor its obviously way better.
I used to own a copy of Yavimaya Hollow back in the day (when it was a sub $10 card) but it was destroyed in a flood. Ive been meaning to get another copy and I think its a great investment (reserved list and all) but I just havent gotten around to it. Ill definitely pick one up when I can.As far as protection for Hapatra goes, I run less than you, only Greaves. I should probably play Boots as well and may still try to find space for it. She is pretty essential to the strategy of the deck so devoting resources to keeping her on the field is a good call. I prefer Sword of Feast and Famine to Whispersilk Cloak. It provides just a huge payoff for connecting.
Good moves with Bitterblossom and Westvale Abbey Flip. I agree about Rogue's Passage being too costly for this deck. I also have added Forbidden Orchard to my list of cards to acquire for this deck. Seems like a perfect fit, great find. I feel good about my current number of cycling lands (5) along with Geier Reach Sanitarium, I want to be careful of using too many ETB tapped lands because its often a good move to get Hapatra in on turn 2.
There are two other lands Ive been considering. 1) Pendelhaven: This deck has a ton of 1/1s so why not give this a shot over a random forest? In the event Hapatra has to target herself with a counter on turn 3 this could beef her up into a 2/3 on her next combat. Also 2/3 snakes (not as important) and 2/3 faeries. Definitely not essential but the price drop after the Masters 25 reprint caught my attention.
2) Command Beacon: Having to pay 6 or 8 mana for Hapatra can be a real drag late in the game. I like this land in my decks that run expensive commanders, but I think it has a place here as well. I just want to be careful about having too many colorless lands.
Slate of Ancestry is amazing when it is on but really inconsistent, due to how costly it is to activate. I dont think its uncuttable but if I do swap it out Id want to replace it with draw. I do really like the idea of Evolutionary Leap but I dont think its a good 1 for 1 swap. Another draw effect could be Deathreap Ritual, but honestly it just seems like a bad Phyrexian Arena.
The other creatures you suggested besides Undead Gladiator seem too costly for the return effect, even Genesis. I used to run that card in every green deck but I feel like the format has sped up and its just so slow these days. Its not bad, but I dont think this deck can make enough mana to take advantage of it consistently. That said, I dont think we would even need too many of these effects. Survival of the Fittest can always just search up the Gladitaor and pitch him to find another creature, same with Fauna Shaman, albeit more slowly.
As Ive played with my list Ive become less enthusiastic about the Protean Hulk direction and I dont think Im going to try it. I like my current big green creatures as a Natural Order package and if I wanted to run another one Id probably try Terastodon or Woodfall Primus. Fierce Empath is a great alternative to Natural Order though and Id definitely run it if I didnt have a copy of NO.
I like Golgari Charm along with/instead of Heroic Intervention. I havent been able to find room for either card but I definitely think I should be running at least one of them. if I was only going to run one of them I think I like charm more because it has more applications, even though the save my stuff mode is more limited.
Regarding Life from the Loam you definitely want to have enough recursion to make it worthwhile. Im running more than you in Dread Return, Victimize, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth (along with Eternal Witness and Journey to Eternity Flip) and Id run more if I could find space for it. Dread Return is particularly nice with Loam as you can flash it back fairly easily so its not a huge deal if you dump it in the yard. Still, this is more of a token deck than a graveyard deck and dredging isnt really what I want to be doing every game, its just nice as an option. In the average game where I cast Loam I probably only dredge once or twice, if at all. Getting 2-3 lands back to your hand is often good enough as a one shot effect. Zulaport Cutthroat has been fantastic for me so far and I think I want to find room for Blood Artist as well. I do find myself missing sacrifice outlets when I get Cutthroat on the field though. I may have to find room for Yahenni after all .Ive been really enjoying our discussion!
6 days ago
I know this comment does not relate to this deck, but rather a deck you want to build soon: Nylea, God of the Hunt.
Some cards I would buy for it:
Hope that helps.
1 week ago
joachimjuncher, Hi! I apologize for such a late reply. The reason is that I've been very busy lately. I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to analyze the deck, and card choice! And thanks for your kind words about the deck! I really appreciate constructive criticism and any suggestions, especially from another mono-green player.
Cards that you suggested to replace:
Viridian Longbow - As you rightly pointed out, it depends on the playgroup. And my playgroup run some realy pesky commanders like Zur the Enchanter, and to be able to destroy them on instant speed is a decent ability, and I try to make the deck as versatile as possible and considering that green is very week in removing creatures, VL seems like a good spell for all those purposes. I agree that its a bit slower then one shot spells, I'll think about it and try to find a good replacement for more tests. What would you put instead of this card?
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - well, I added this card not so long ago, and so far it has performed its functions perfectly - draw additional cards, and scry every upkeep. It is good if you draw it in the beginning - you will at least scry every turn, and it is good to have it in the hand in late game, cuz You usualy have a lot of mana and need more gas (cards) for it. And it has a very good synergy with Cloudstone Curio, Wirewood Symbiote.
Norwood Priestess - well, frankly, there were times when it was a dead draw, or I did not have anything in my hand to cheat in with her ability. But in the same time, more often there were moments of triumph and glory when I was able to drop things like Bane of Progress, Avenger of Zendikar, Terastodon or Craterhoof Behemoth, and all those bobs come in to the battlefield uncounterable with her ability. Needless to say that the deck run some creature untappers, so You can drop bombs even twice in a turn! But I agree with You that this card is a bit slow. If I would cut this card, then what would you suggest to replace it. I'm thinking of replacing her with something like Pattern of Rebirth, Eldritch Evolution or maybe Wayward Swordtooth
Cards that you suggested to add:
Utopia Sprawl, Berserk, Temur Sabertooth, Surrak, the Hunt Caller - all these cards were in the deck and were tested a lot. All of them work fine with Rhonas, but on one of them I would focus my attention - Utopia Sprawl, this card is super great without a doubt, with a pain in my heart, I cut and I returned it several times to the deck, man, its so hard to decide what to cut!
Overgrowth - I'm looking at this magnificent enchantment for a long time, and I would like to find a place for it in the deck, but if I find a slot for it, then I should put Utopia Sprawl first. So that if Overgrowth enters the deck, then only together with Utopia Sprawl.
Rings of Brighthearth is an interesting suggestion! Despite the fact that the card itself does not do anything when it hits the battlefield, It can create very strong synergies and even infinite combinations. I will definitely think about this. And if I add it to the deck, it makes sense to add Basalt Monolith ;).
Homeward Path - I used this card in this deck, and in my other decks. To be honest, the card has never been useful.
Yavimaya Hollow - I also like this land, I would like to find a slot for it, it seems to me a great idea to add more protection for creatures. Especially vulnerable are mana dorks, and opponents try to remove them as quickly as possible in my games.
Elvish Archdruid - I absolutely agree that this is an excellent creature. But as for all previous options, its hard to decide what to cut for it.
Thanks again for all Your suggestions and feedback! I will be happy to look at your decks to, and try to help with my advice!
2 weeks ago
I do want to say that I see many different ways you can go. For maximum value out of him you would want to evenly spread across permanent types. You can also be more focused one way or another. So what kind of win condition were you thinking?
You can cheat out big beat sticks but this guy doesn't cheat mana costs so that doesn't really fit. Still being able to play the same scary creature every turn until it is exiled is neat.
ETBs with cards like Terastodon would be great and mixes well with the death triggers.
You could run some form of superfriends with 3 colors it isn't bad and he brings back planeswalkers.
I guess voltron is an option since he brings auras and equipment back so you could keep grabbing Snake Umbra or something but he doesn't have evasion or anything else useful to that strategy.
Deadbridge Chant should be powerful here no matter how you choose to build him. Perhaps Manabond for cheap ramp since you can get your stuff back. And some sac outlets would be good, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord is a fun one if you decide on big beat sticks for a win condition.
2 weeks ago
Thanks for the suggestions, NV_1980 - there's some great stuff in there! And yeah, it's always fun and good against pretty much any deck that doesn't run too much graveyard hate or exiling.
I'm definitely going to consider Weathered Wayfarer - my ramp is pretty much all green so that I can weight my lands toward one color for more consistent starts. But the Wayfarer would be great if I can make it work.
All those protection cards are great. I've actually run some in the past and only took them out because they were less valuable in our meta. I'll definitely try to get Aegis of the Gods in the deck though, since it helps against a few graveyard removal cards.
Blazing Archon is fantastic for this deck. I'm using Peacekeeper instead because it's cheaper and it can pad the graveyard if I need Karador out faster. But the Archon is more stable and permanent, so I may swap back.
Do you have any thoughts on cards that might not be pulling their weight? I'd love to try out now if you're suggestions, but the hardest part is always finding something to take out!
3 weeks ago
Thank you very much! I am glad you like the list. It s a fun deck and can be powerful, but to be more competitive it needs some spells to counter the graveyard hate. Often you will encounter Bojuka Bog, Relic of Progenitus, Rest in Peace, Leyline of the Void, Scavenging Ooze, and Deathrite Shaman to name a few. Some cards to consider are:
Next up are cards you can swap in that are not as expensive to acquire.
To allow for the anti graveyard hate cards listed above, I would consider cutting for budgetary reasons: Yawgmoth's Will, Rise of the Dark Realms, Survival of the Fittest, Sylvan Scrying, Diabolic Servitude, Entomb, Coffin Queen.
You can change a lot of cards in the list aside from those mentioned here. Two cards I would not change and would pick up as they are very useful in the list are Volrath's Stronghold and Phyrexian Tower. You can sacrifice a creature to the tower gaining 2 black mana and use that mana to activate the stronghold to put the sacrificed creature back on top of your library. Volrath's Stronghold by itself is also a way to save at least one creature from your graveyard from getting exiled as mentioned in the graveyard hate you would face.
This should give a good sense of what type of cards to think about and try. I have used many of these cards on my way to getting to the list today. Another two good cards that are rarely bad are Wurmcoil Engine and Batterskull. Just good Value cards. Batterskull is not a creature to reanimate, but it is a creature when the artifact enters the battlefield. I hope this helps!
3 weeks ago
I'm a big fan of Green Ramp from Theros-Tarkir Standard. Not much experience with Modern, but I would take out Phytotitan, Engulfing Slagwurm, Managorger, and Hooded Hydra. Add in some Primeval Titan, maybe Terastodon to destroy their lands, maybe Gaea's Revenge for a hasty survivable threat, maybe 1 copy of Patron of the Orochi. 4 Genesis Wave might be fine honestly. Nissa, Worldwaker might also be good for the untapping.