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Tainted Field Discussion
1 month ago
I actually just realized Tainted Field is not legal in modern. Therefore, it isn't nearly as necessary to be swamp-centric, and its more important to just have a solid mana-base with plenty of good duals that come in untapped as much as possible.
1 month ago
Alright sounds good. I'll keep my advice to that then.
First things first, let's deal with the basics. The land count of this deck is a couple short of where it should be at given your curve. As you may already know, most decks sit comfortably at around 24 lands, and I think the curve on this deck is going to end up in a spot where 24 is the correct number. The lands, themselves, also could use some retuning, as you seem to be using some very suboptimal choices when there are better ones out there. For example, you are running arcane sanctum, which is effectively a "bad" Orzhov Guildgate in this deck. You could instead be running 4 copies of Concealed Courtyard, which would be a great alternative. If that is not in your budget, then even Scoured Barrens or Temple of Silence are marginally better alternatives.
Additionally, I think Sunscorched Desert doesn't have a real place in the deck. The colorless mana is going to be a severe hindrance to you and dealing one damage isn't going to matter nearly enough. Cradle of the Accursed is also a little mediocre at the cost of not tapping for any colored mana, so I also think it isn't good enough to make the cut. Budget withstanding, I think this is how I'd run the mana if it were up to me, but with still keeping the general base you had:
The main thing to note about this mana base is that it is Swamp-centric. Many of the dual lands require you to have a swamps on the field before they become real duals. Godless Shrine would be great because of this, but its also a little pricy. Let me know what you think of this before we get to anything else.
1 month ago
Looks like you're trying to heavily leverage Odric, Lunarch Marshal based on your description. If so, you might want to take advantage of tutor (black has some decent options) to find more ways of getting him and then also getting him back should he die.
Graveyard recursion - sure your opponent may not want to take the 3 life hit for letting something go to your graveyard, but my experience is that opponents will if the creatures worth letting die. Inexpensive recursion includes things like Phyrexian Reclamation to get the cards back in hand. Other spells like Unburial Rites can be great (especially since it has flashback and puts it on to the battlefield). Sun Titan is a monster at recurring low CMC permanents and has vigilance to boot!
Then there are some value creatures you might want to consider:
- Vampire Nighthawk has flying, deathtouch, AND lifelink (to meet your deck goals). He's a low CMC drop, and rarely disappoints me in any game I have him show up in.
- Aerial Responder is another 3 ability creature for low CMC.
- Burnished Hart provides a blocker you can use to block then sacrifice to get lands (2 on to the field tapped!) This is great value in a color that doesn't have loads of mana ramp. And, with a little recursion or an opponent not willing to lose the life you can use him many times.
Then there's draw. Every deck that can have reasonable draw ought to. Sweepers, Draw, Control, etc. aren't uncommon in commander. You need to make sure you've got a plan for keeping that hand restocked. Here's some cards I like to use for this when on a budget in black:
- Ancient Craving
- Night's Whisper
- Read the Bones this is GREAT value for budget play.
- Sign in Blood
- Phyrexian Arena
Building on the earlier recommendation of sweepers, one I always like to include is Merciless Eviction. In your deck choosing creatures probably isn't a great idea, but the ability to exile all artifacts, planeswalkers, or enchantments can definitely come in handy
Another great budget value card I'd recommend is Brave the Sands. In an aggressive deck, and especially one with lots of flying, vigilance is a great ability to have. If your opponent can't block your fliers than being able to swing relentlessly without worrying about your blocking situation is a pretty awesome state to be in.
Other fun things you might want to think about:
- Whip of Erebos - gives everything lifelink and its ability can be nice to bring something back for a turn at an opportune moment.
You might be a bit low on your land count without other ramp or mana rocks to account for it. Armillary Sphere and Wayfarer's Bauble are example artifacts that can help prevent this. Sword of the Animist is another personal favorite in decks that don't have better ramp arsenal. It appears you have Unknown Shores maybe for mana fixing, but if that's the case I'd almost recommend Tainted Field as a better example. There's also Rupture Spire and Transguild Promenade if you want mana fixing although they certainly can slow down your rhythm to account for the costs. Otherwise the next tier of lands I'd recommend start to include things like Temple of Silence and Isolated Chapel
Overall for a first build it's definitely a start. If you want to see a very different take on Athreos feel free to check out my build at Grim Reaper Friends . Hope you can find something helpful out of the suggestions. I love commander as a format and hope that you will too
2 months ago
My apologies. I forgot to card-link that land-base list. Here:
1x Ancient Den
1x Fetid Heath
1x Mystic Gate
1x Port Town
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tainted Isle
1x Watery Grave
2 months ago
You're very welcome, give my deck an upvote! ;) Also, I've been playtesting this for a few and I've noticed you seem to have an incredibly low count of black mana... SO, I suggest adding Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and possibly Tainted Field for more budgety mana fixing. Honestly mana fixing makes or breaks a deck. Your land count seems to be fine as whole and I wasn't ever starved, until after I Worldslayered. >:-)... Nonetheless I think you'll be just fine.
If you just so happen to have the trade fodder, pick up the four Khans of tarkir fetches as they are super-duper cheap. (compared to what they used to be.) Also, be prepared for Modern Masters 2017 and watch their prices and buy some good stuff.
3 months ago
Nice deck. Thanks for checking out mine. If you're going for a flicker approach, I suggest adding Cauldron of Souls. You will get those sweet ETB effects again when you sac creatures.
For your mana base, I highly suggest more lands and ramp cards. Your average CMC is quite high. I would up the lands to 37-38 and add a few ramp cards Solemn Simulacrum, Knight of the White Orchid, Myriad Landscape, Temple of the False God, Orzhov Signet, and Wayfarer's Bauble are all great options.
For lands I would cut out Transguild Promenade and Rupture Spire. They really slow down tempo. I'd only play them in 4-5 colour decks where colour fixing is harder. Temple of Mystery, Caves of Koilos, and Tainted Field are great options and relatively cheap.
Hope this helps
3 months ago
Tainted Field is not Modern legal and you need to lower your average CMC it is WAY to high; (or just add mana dorks)
3 months ago
As per your mentioning on a fellow post, you were having mana issues? To address this first problem, the quality of land you are looking at is minimal. That might sound rude when I say that, but by it, I mean you are running cards like Tainted Field and Tainted Peak. If it is a budget issue, I'd get the pain lands. Sulfurous Springs, Caves of Koilos and Battlefield Forge should be top includes. Other lands I'd consider changing out are:
Slayers' Stronghold - Decent, but vigilance isn't a big thing. And spending two mana to give haste? Why not run Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves (Greaves clearly being the better option, but of course, budget may be a thing for you)
Mistveil Plains - With a deck like this, Alesha shouldn't really care what is going to the grave if she can bring it back. If you are worried about a card like an artifact or enchantment dying, why not look at Restoration Specialist? Otherwise, Alesha can pretty much recur most creatures.
Blighted Fen - You aren't really abusing the ability to make people sac a creature, so this should also be swapped out.
Oh course, 'optimal' builds would have fetches and shocks, but even running Rakdos Guildgate, Boros Guildgate and Orzhov Guildgate will give you more mana fixing. You could also run the less expensive fast lands from Kaladesh for mana fixing. Consider cards like Mana Confluence and City of Brass for mana fixing too. Anything that gives you the three colors you need. The fact that Chromatic Lantern isn't in the deck is a heart breaker as well. Chromatic lantern not only RAMPS you, but your lands are now Birds of Paradise.
Besides that, only thing I'd say are stuff like Rakdos Signet, Boros Signet and Orzhov Signet. Fellwar Stone is also decent mana fixing, as well as Wayfarer's Bauble and Expedition Map to go and get lands you need. If you want to be cute, you can play Herald of Leshrac to start stealing peoples lands
Cards I'd consider cutting to make room or consider upgrading later:
Angel of Invention - Personally havent played with it, but seems like its sort of meh. Other than making smaller creatures or a bigger flyer, there's not alot going on here. If she is in there for the anthem, look at Ravos, Soultender
Feldon of the Third Path - Unless you can't reanimate with Alesha, this is a pretty dead card. I mean sure, you make a copy, go to combat, reanimate and get another 1-2 triggers, but there not a hell of a lot you really want, and you are paying 5 mana and tapping down two creatures for two more effects
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser - Unless you are SURE to deal damage or have a mass of tokens for example, I feel mana is better spent on other effects
Dictate of Erebos - Again, you aren't really abusing the sac outlets, so this doesn't seem like it warrants an area.
Sunforger - I feel like this card is a trap. Sure, you just instant speed tutored for removal you might not otherwise have, but you also just spend 4 mana to cast a Swords to Plowshares. That right there screams card disadvantage. Not only that, you have now removed it from a potential blocker and have to spend mana to re-equip.