Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
As long as it's your turn, creatures and planeswalkers you control have lifelink.
+2: Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker.
-X: Return target creature with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature is a Vampire in addition to its other types.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord Discussion
3 months ago
4 months ago
Karlov of the Ghost Council is an INSANE card for a deck like this when you combo it with ajani. its pricey, but kicks major ass. I'd look into cheaper dual lands like Caves of Koilos and Temple of Silence . They both work pretty well for me
Kaya's Guile and Mortify are super strong here too. perhaps consider ditching Vampire of the Dire Moon and Vizkopa Vampire for Gifted Aetherborn or Vampire Nighthawk since those 1 drops are easy targets for cheap removal.
6 months ago
Here is an interesting article on lands (CMC0 Artifacts are lands) https://edhrec.com/articles/superior-numbers-land-counts/
Topic: Card Advantage! (There's lots of discussion on this if you search it, it can be a bit complicated, but ultimately, it means playing more cards than your opponent, in this deck, bringing multiple creatures back again and again is a way, draw is key, you don't ever want an empty hand)
Staying on theme with draw:
Skullclamp is going to be a necessity with your afterlife mechanic and hopefully a Teysa Karlov . Turn creature advantage into card advantage (yes Teysa Karlov make 2x spirits for afterlife 1, and then draws 4! cards when it dies).
Grim Haruspex is a common way to get some draw in and very well suited.
Viscera Seer is another way to get advantage, protect creatures from being exiled or stolen, as well as turn creature advantage into scry and hopefully draw with another ability on-board. This also means if you have recursion in hand but nothing to target, you can make a target.
Village Rites can be ok, if you're holding recursion to, or in response to someone unfavorably blocking your creature or if you just need to dig for an answer. It's not my favorite because its one-shot though.
Midnight Reaper is another way to utilize your deathtouch to remove opponents creatures and refill your hand.
There are some other guys, maybe not within your deathtouch theme, so maybe not right for you Reassembling Skeleton , Bloodghast (kind of like a Soul Stair Expedition effect but on a creature. Check out this deck for more guys like this, Yawgmoth Thran Physician EDH, if interested.
There's also some ways to utilize your life total to draw, Bolas's Citadel is amazing (can win games or get you back in them), Necropotence (it's really good if you've never used it, Greed or Arguel's Blood Fast Flip (crappy greed). You have some draw, Eg. Priest of Forgotten Gods , but I would get at minimum 8 draw mechanics into the deck, staying on theme, up to 12 is even good.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General does this pretty good too, and has a nice ultimate but is pricey ($20?), Phyrexian Arena is a classic ($12), Avoid anything with an activation costs on a triggered ability like Mentor of the Meek (static like Greed is ok).
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord really fits your recursion theme, think he like $2 now, he doesn't draw cards, but gives all your guys lifelink and allows you to recur multiple creatures, and has lifelink himself for the +2 pinging ability.
This sort of led into another Topic: Winning
The most common way for to win is Gray Merchant of Asphodel and recurring him, multiple times. Torment of Hailfire is nice, but you need much more land/ramp. Command the Dreadhorde is really strong too, if you can get a little bit extra life and have protected your life with your deathtouch, can get a bunch of strong/deathtouch back for relatively low life, even hits opponents graveyard.
Not sure i like the payoff for God-Pharaoh's Statue by the time you get there, your opponents will have ramped ( especially) enough mana to pay it.
Archetype of Finality is also not a great payoff for the mana cost, I would rather Command the Dreadhorde or Bolas's Citadel anytime. Plus many of your creatures have or can get deathtouch by themselves.
Just replace some key payoffs and you'll find your high CMC spell require a response from other players. Lots of ways to get there, whatever you like based on the theme.
I'll do one more post tomorrow with some other specific card evals, but quite a bit there. Trying to recommend some cuts as well as I go, I know it can be just as difficult deciding what to cut as it is for what to play.
Staying Low-Mid (battlecruiser/low) means you probably dont need a tutor package, but I'll give some ideas on the interaction package which you'll still need to answer some things your opponents are doing. Check back later. Happy reading :)
6 months ago
A bit of a long comment for you to chew some ideas over. I'm just going to throw out some cards that work for the aristocrats strategy that I think the commander would work well with. Then I'll give you some combos that could work here. Most of the combos rely heavily on white cards, so I think they are all pretty cheap. I'm sure there's a lot more that you could use, but these are the ones that come to my mind.
Aristocrat Mana Producers
Free Sacrifice Outlets
Combos with a free sacrifice outlet
Karmic Guide + Reveillark
: Karmic Guide can return Reveillark to the battlefield. Sacrifice Karmic Guide, then Reveillark. Reveillark's death trigger returns Karmic Guide to the battlefield. Karmic Guide's ETB (enters the battlefield) trigger can return Reveillark to the battlefield. Repeat forever. Reveillark can also return another small creature to the battlefield in addition to Karmic Guide.
Gift of Immortality + Sun Titan : Enchant Sun Titan with Gift of Immortality. Sacrifice Sun Titan. Gift of Immortality returns Sun Titan to the battlefield. Sun Titan's ETB trigger returns Gift of Immortality to the battlefield, attached to Sun Titan. Repeat forever.
Kaya's Ghostform + Sun Titan : Same as Gift of Immortality combo above.
Angelic Renewal + Sun Titan : Same as above.
Fiend Hunter + Sun Titan : Exile Sun Titan with Fiend Hunter's ETB. Sacrifice Fiend Hunter to return Sun Titan to the battlefield. Return Fiend Hunter to the battlefield with Sun Titan's ETB. Exile Sun Titan with Fiend Hunter's ETB. Repeat forever.
Fiend Hunter + Karmic Guide : Same as Sun Titan combo above.
Leonin Relic-Warder combos
Animate Dead + Leonin Relic-Warder
: Start with Leonin Relic-Warder in your graveyard. Play Animate Dead to bring Leonin-Relic Warder back from your graveyard. Exile Animate Dead with Leonin Relic-Warder's ETB. Leonin Relic-Warder dies to Animate Dead leaving the battlefield. Animate Dead returns to the battlefield targeting Leonin-Relic Warder. Exile Animate Dead with Leonin-Relic Warder's ETB. Repeat forever.
Dance of the Dead + Leonin Relic-Warder : Same as above.
Leonin Relic-Warder + Necromancy : Same as above.
Infinite Sacrifice Fodder
Divine Visitation + Requiem Angel
: Sacrificing a creature will trigger Requiem Angel to create a 1/1 Spirit Token. Divine Visitation causes that to instead be a 4/4 Angel Token, which can be sarificed to trigger Requiem Angel to create another 1/1 spirit that comes into play as a 4/4 Angel.
Bishop of Wings + Divine Visitation : Same as above, but you also gain 4 life each time.
10 months ago
Out: Cabal Coffers & Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
In: Brightclimb Pathway Flip & Savai Triome
The Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth combo is really hard to pull off in a 3 color deck. Especially, with this mana base in mardu. Therefore, I decided to cut both lands and replace them with some newer which are a great addition to this deck.
Out: Merciless Eviction
In: Kindred Dominance
Even though this board wipe will cost one more mana, it will be worth it, since it's going to be totally one sided for the most part. I'll also add more single target removal for other permanents, to make up for this change. I decided on this swap, since I tend to not use Merciless Eviction, because it will wipe my board and exile my great vampire lords aswell.
Out: Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord
In: Nighthawk Scavenger
This plainswalker didn't do much in the last games for me. Most of my vampires are so cheap, that his ult didn't help me mana wise at all. His other effects are nice, but not particular amazing. The newly printed Nighthawk Scavenger on the other hand is going to be a real powerhouse. It's a better version of Vampire Nighthawk, 90% of the time and I really like both of them.
Out: Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose
In: Eldrazi Monument
Vito didn't help this deck much at all. I think he is a trap. I also noticed, that I don't run Exquisite Blood anyway, so this combo isn't an option currently, either. This deck's biggest problem are boardwipes, so I think Eldrazi Monument will be a great addition in order to protect my army of bloodsuckers.
Out: Fellwar Stone
In: Idol of Oblivion
Ramp isn't as big of a problem. Even though we are in Mardu, most of the cards are low costed. So I can efford to take out one piece of ramp. Card Draw on the other hand is often a problem. Therefore, I'll test Idol of Oblivion, since it only costs 2 mana and can draw you one additional card each turn, most of the time.
Out: Slayers' Stronghold
In: Myriad Landscape
I noticed that I might cut some utility lands aswell, because sometimes I only draw those and I'm stuck with colorless mana. Since I prefer Vault of the Archangel's effect over Slayers' Stronghold, I'll cut the later one. Myriad Landscape can function as ramp and help me to get more basics out of my deck, which can be nice if I'm in topdeck mode.
Out: Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
In: Nullpriest of Oblivion
Another plaineswalker I'm going to cut, since it doesn't help me with my gameplan, most of the time. The only thing I use is his ult, to recure one vampire at best. Nullpriest of Oblivion can do the same, but is a vampire on it's own and can also come down way earlier if we need damage or more tokens.
10 months ago
You want to be left alone until you can cast your angels. Cards like Thalia, Heretic Cathar & Kambal, Consul of Allocation can help while the other players are going to hate you more. Making it a little harder in the mid/late game. I would defiantly skip Thalia, Heretic Cathar for that reason. Kambal, Consul of Allocation can at least deal damage and gain your life.
Lives are a resource for sure. Just watch out with Vona, Butcher of Magan that he will not suck you dry. That is a woman's job XD.
Killing Wave you want to cast for x is high. Do really want to pay that much life for all your creatures? I would skip this and play a real board wipe.
I think that you will not use Obzedat's Aid very well. You can get back an artifact (mostly ramp in your case) == bad. You can get back a planeswalker (if they got it away once, they can it again if you spent your turn on returning it) == (in my opinion) bad. You can get an enchantment back == good (in some cases). Most of the enchantment won't reach the graveyard. But it can good. You can get back a creature == good for less mana. There are a lot of better regeneration spells. They can be used more or for less.
That is why I would suggest not to play Obzedat's Aid. It is not mana efficient enough versus versatility.
Your creatures will not always be the biggest on the table. But why do you use Ethereal Absolution instead of the cheaper options? Glorious Anthem, Always Watching, Commander's Insignia, Force of Virtue or Spear of Heliod. Graveyard hate is a benefit. But I think you can spend your mana better than that.
True Conviction is good but watch that one. Ask yourself "Do I want to play it? Or do I prefer something else? When is this good and when is it bad?". I think that it is bad in most cases and too late when you need it.
I understand that you want the lifegain and ping from Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord. But know that the -x you can use it on 9 creatures (for now) on the turn it enters the game. Also, remember that the lifegain is only for during your turn. Is it worth it?
I don't think that Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath can give you a lot of value. It can be me but I don't like this card.
Why Elspeth, Sun's Champion? You get tokens for 6 mana or destroy all your creatures and some of the opponent creatures. Is that worth it? Or do you play it because you have it lying around?
For Aetherflux Reservoir you probably will never be high enough with this on the board. You don't cast a lot of spells in a turn so you must be happy if you gain 3 lives in a round from it. This is not the deck for it.
Moonlight Bargain is 5 mana + 10 lives for draw 5. Promise of Power is the better version of it. It is on sorcery speed, but cost 5 lives less and you can also get a big beater from it if you pay extra.
For now I think that you are not using enough instant speed tricks that require you to hold up mana. That makes that when you hold up mana for Batwing Brume there is a big chance that you don't need it now and want to cast it later instead. Making you not spend some mana in the round. I would skip this card.
If I look at the curve then I would think about playing 36/37/38 lands. You need a lot of mana for your creatures and you miss green to ramp well. You can use cards like Hagra Mauling Flip & Ondu Inversion Flip to make it a little easier.
11 months ago
Any reason why you're not running any Sorins?
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord plays into your gain life, hurt them strategy perfectly.
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad consistent token generator.
And lost but not least Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord lets you play free vampires.
11 months ago
im guessing English is not your first language, but it looks like you're asking if lifelink can include noncombat damage, which it can. thats why Soulfire Grand Master can exist, which also shows that the card does not even have to be a creature to have lifelink. if you find a way to give a planeswalker lifelink, then the planeswalker does not even have to be a creature. an example of this can be found in Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord.