Commune with Dinosaurs
Look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a Dinosaur or land card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
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Commune with Dinosaurs Discussion
3 weeks ago
On the topic of upgrades, after cutting Commune for Maps, I'd also cut the two Titanoth Rex , a Forest , and an Explore to play four copies of Bane of Bala Ged or World Breaker . If you're building a sideboard, this lets you add a Jegantha, the Wellspring as a Companion, which is also an amazing upgrade that you can make for cheap.
6 months ago
7 months ago
I find it a bit amusing how not two months ago there was posted a thread specifically dedicated to brew card ideas for the remaining 3 Swords of X and Y and then this shows up.
DemonDragonJ I would agree that having three abilities would break the pattern.
There is already token generation with Sword of Body and Mind.
Personally I think the Sword should do something a bit different than that. Please keep in mind that the Swords have generally been designed to be beneficial to most colors and multiple strategies - hence why a Sword like Sword of Body and Mind is generally considered the worst/most niche, closely followed by Sword of War and Peace. The latter because it doesn't affect the board and lifegain is... only relevant in certain situations. If you make a token generator + Populate effect, it works by itself but is generally not useful for many decks.
Take a Sword like Sword of Truth and Justice. It plays well by itself by enabling its own scaling when you have multiple creatures. However you can also utilize the Proliferate on poison counters, -1/-1 counters, planeswalker loyalty counters. It has built-in support for multiple strategies.
A card like Sword of Sinew and Steel is more niche, but it has some very powerful removal effects to compensate. In addition the protections are very on-point in protecting against most targeted removal and all of red's board wipe repertoire.
Tokens for the sake of tokens is often not that impressive. That's why I would suggest to aim for something else than basic token generation.
If you are hellbent on the token generation I would consider granting a different incentive:
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"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may create a 1/1 green saproling creature token. If you do, then create a copy of a token you control. If you don't, create a Treasure token."
Hmm... I checked the wording on Populate, and for some reason WotC opted to make it copy only creature tokens. The word does make more sense to be used in tandem with creatures but this feels like a missed opportunity.
This grants purpose outside token strategies by giving you the option to opt for just a Treasure token and the swing after, if you kept the Treasure token, you can get another with the copy effect. Because there's a condition on getting some of the effects, I think it'll pass the "only allow 2 effects".
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"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token. Until the beginning of your next turn, the first spell you cast has Convoke."
This effectively grants you a mana dork (with indirect haste) AND it plays well with broad strategies that is not necessarily token strategies. It grants potential chump blockers to certain decks that can double as mana - alas only for the first spell after the trigger. The card could be buffed a bit by granting convoke to the first spell each turn until your next turn - granting you more flexibility and use of its ability.
I don't think it has the same power level as Sword of Feast and Famine but it is somewhat closer to its power level, which I don't think is a bad place for a Sword to be in.
If we're being honest, most of the swords don't see play and those that do are mostly Sword of Feast and Famine and Sword of Fire and Ice. I've seen a fair bit of Sword of Truth and Justice as well. I think hitting around that spot would be ideal.
If we aim for something else than basic token generation, we could aim for some tech options.
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Green has the ability to look at what's to come and grab specific cards, with cards like Commune with the Gods, Commune with Nature, Commune with Dinosaurs, and many similar. White has had this effect as well, as seen in Acclaimed Contender, Board the Weatherlight, Courageous Outrider, and Militia Bugler. White's piece is more conditional and limited, whereas green is more flexible.
White has had treasure generation through taxing with Smothering Tithe. Green is the ramp color. The Sword could possibly create a treasure token.
White is usually the keyword hoarder, so what if they started being generous? With the introduction of keyword counters from Ikoria with something like Crystalline Giant, the Sword could have a trigger that spreads its keywords to another creature.
"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, if equipped creature has flying, you may put a flying counter on target creature. Do the same for deathtouch, double strike, first strike, hexproof, lifelink, menace, reach, trample, and vigilance. The rest of the ability..."
By itself this doesn't do anything, and usually that would be a deal-breaker as an effect on this card. However I think there are enough Swords that are conditional on something else to get their effect. Usually not something that is particularly difficult to attain. Like Sword of Light and Shadow require a creature card in your graveyard to make use of half its effects.
This ability would also make it stronger in White, as White already has keyword soup creatures where this effect would be very strong, and even more so in Boros. You could use cards with the keywords themselves, equipment or auras that grant it or use buff cards that grant it temporarily. The latter can even be used in tandem with the Sword to permanently grant the equipped creature those keywords.
There are a few evergreen keywords missing, most notably indestructible. But there's also defender (could be used in a Arcades, the Strategist or similar deck to dish out defender counters) and haste (usually wont make a difference after combat step) - yes yes, there's also Flash but who cares when it's on the board. So a way to increase this ability's power could be to include indestructible at the very least.
I went in a big fat circle around this one, as I really don't think enchantment removal should be given on a repeatable colorless source like this. I know Sword of Sinew and Steel does it against artifacts and planeswalkers, and if I'm being frank it would be pretty easy for WotC to throw a Demystify on a Sword and something else and call it a day. However I really hope that wont be the case.
Brought Back but as a delayed trigger without target (to enable that you get back something you lost during combat damage step).
"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, at the beginning of your end step you may return a permanent card from your graveyard to the battlefield if it was put there from the battlefield this turn."
This one kinda feels like it's impeding on Sword of the Animist's territory, but it is part of green's color pie. It could be differently implemented like:
"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal up to one land card and up to one creature, aura, or equipment card from among them and put them into your hand. You may play an additional land this turn."
This is more a soft-ramp that can fail. Instead of granting additional land drops it could just put a found land onto the field tapped.
"Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a land card from among them and put it onto the battlefield tapped. You may reveal a creature, aura, or equipment card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order."
Anyway, that's at least a little brainstorming on what else those two colors have to offer.
1 year ago
There was no sarcasm.
I believe that those 3 cards compliment the theme quite well.
Commune with Dinosaurs does not change the theme of the deck, but adds consistency.
Regisaur Alpha is a 4/4 body that makes a 3/3 token with haste and trample, plus it gives all the following trampling dinos haste.
Shifting Ceratops can come down a turn earlier, has better stats, can't be countered and it also has the option of getting trample, haste and/or reach.
I've personally never seen a competitive deck with an average cmc of around 3.5 that only played 24 lands. Frank Karsten once crunched the numbers and wrote an interesting and detailed article about lands: (https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/how-many-lands-do-you-need-to-consistently-hit-your-land-drops/)
I do sincerely want the Dino-might to bring the thunder and will try it out. Quartzwood Crasher is a cool card after all.
1 year ago
TonyStark9001 Sure thing, that's great.
But my point still stands on Charging Tuskodon. Your deck will definitely be better if it got swapped for Regisaur Alpha or Shifting Ceratops. Commune with Dinosaurs also really gives you some great selection. You can't always expect to have Llanowar Elves in your opener, so having other options for turn 1 is always nice.
What I meant was that your beaters cost 5 and up. If you don't have your rampers on curve (or they get removed) you're stuck going 1 for 1 until you find a 5th land. The land count is also in the lower end, given your high curve.
Keep in mind that the Pioneer format is quite a lot stronger than Standard.
Don't take it to heart mate, it's just my 2 cents on how to hopefully improve the deck. If it works for you, just ignore my suggestions.
1 year ago
You're totally right mate. That came out worse than intended. Sorry.
Let me start over:
Love the dinos, love the name.
A few things to consider:
For competitive play, decks like this want a strong and efficient curve. For most decks, that usually means to lower the curve. Yours starts at 5, which is too slow in many cases. Even with some ramp and removal. Some good options could be Ripjaw Raptor and Marauding Raptor - this is obviously best with Enrage creatures, but definitely outshines Otepec Huntmaster at that point. Regisaur Alpha and Ghalta, Primal Hunger are also great cards, that happen to follow your trample theme. Both should be stronger than Yidaro, Wandering Monster and Zilortha, Strength Incarnate. The latter doesn't really synergize with anything in the deck.
You've gone hard on the spot removal to make up for the curve. Going one for one doesn't always cut it though, when you have no early pressure or card advantage. You'll run out of juice or just get outclassed. I'm a greedy guy myself, but I've run into that same problem myself several times before.
I think Commune with Dinosaurs is a must in dino tribal. It just adds some good consistency + it lets you play fewer lands without fear of mana screw. 4 copies + 22-23 lands should be enough, depending on your curve.
I'm not saying to build exactly like in this video, but she goes more in detail about deckbuilding and card choices in the first 5 minutes, so it might be of help -
Hope that helps. Good luck!
1 year ago
Oh - I forgot to say! I'd personally take out most of the mana rocks (other than Sol Ring and Arcane Signet), chuck in a little more land ramp instead (which is more reliable since it's much less prone to destruction), and probably end up at a ~38 land deck. Of course, you've got to do that whilst balancing the ratios so you still have a good number of dinosaurs for Gishath's triggers, but I'll leave those decisions up to you - right now it's time for sleep!
(Speaking of - I don't think you need Commune with Dinosaurs in there; it's effectively a cantrip, but you probably have too many cards that might want to go in rather than too few.)
1 year ago
I think you have a good start here with the ramp, though you might get more mileage from some other dinosaurs. Such as Ripjaw Raptor, Regisaur Alpha, Etali, Primal Storm, Shifting Ceratops. As much as I like Ghalta, I don't think you should run 4, since he is legendary and you can't have more than one on the field. I also think you can cut the Vanquisher's Banner since your creatures are already big on their own and probably Commune with Dinosaurs because there are better ways to draw. Since you're running green and you're using a lot of creatures, you can try Lead the Stampede, Life's Legacy, or Momentous Fall to draw more cards faster. Hope this helps.