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Archon of Justice
Creature — Archon
When Archon of Justice dies, exile target permanent. (Dying is being put into the graveyard from the battlefield.)
1 year ago
I've tried to keep this deck nearly 50% White and 50% Red.
I've narrowed the premise of this deck down to the following categories, 50 Cards to the first, and 10 cards to each other category, give or take.
50% of the Deck is the Commander, Land, Mana rocks, and Draw.
10% is Steal/Keep
10% is Removal/Wipe
10% is Bringing Cards Back
10% is Brion Fodder and Fetch cards
10% is Double Damage and Powerful Flyers
Your comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated. That being said, I will probably not be able to afford the more expensive cards Land Tax, Smothering Tithe, Lifeline, Smuggler's Share etc. that are not already in this deck. However - It's still fun to check them out! If you like it, up vote!
With this revision, I've cut many of the fancier, slower dual lands to opt for faster basic lands. I've also added Weathered Wayfarer.
I've made some recent changes to this deck, hopefully to address that mid game I am struggling with tempo, as well as running out of mana to cast the creature or steal spell and have enough to activate Brion's ability. Some cards like Deathrender and Thornbite Staff have been removed (even though they were good in concept) to add more playability.
Fiery Emancipation gives me triple damage. Calamity Bearer works specifically to Brion's sac ability. Angrath's Marauders, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Gratuitous Violence all make the damage I do twice as effective.
When creatures I steal die, Stalking Vengeance beefs them. When I summon large creatures into play Warstorm Surge deals damage to my opponent, and when I sac those, Stalking Vengeance hits them on the way out.
Malignus, Serra Avatar, and Soul of Eternity all act as giant bombs to throw at the opponent.
Hofri Ghostforge allows for me to steal an opponents creature, fling it at them with brion, and then keep a spirit copy of that creature.
Magus of the Wheel and Reforge the Soul provide the opportunity to get a fresh hand at my whim. Humble Defector is an easy and fun, card that helps me forge alliances with other players in multiplayer while getting me TWO extra cards per turn.
Skullclamp works perfect with the sacrifice ability and is easy to cast.
Well of Lost Dreams is insane when played late game for Brion's lifelink ability and can be fetched with Hoarding Dragon or Open the Armory Sin Prodder gives me a potential extra card per turn, or the chance for an opponent to take damage to the face... and then I can pull it out of my graveyard later with my other cards! Basically a win/win. Mangara, the Diplomat and Mila, Crafty Companion Flip serve to deter attacks and draw.
Hoarding Dragon serves as a flyer, a sacrifice, and can grab any rocks, Skullclamp, or Well of Lost Dreams.
Open the Armory helps grab Skullclamp, Well of Lost Dreams, or Gift of Immortality.
Recruiter of the Guard is specifically to get Bazaar Trader for the huge advantage of keeping my opponents things, but can also grab Duergar Hedge-Mage for removal or Sin Prodder (amongst a few others). Weathered Wayfarer can grab any land, such as Buried Ruin or Arcane Lighthouse.
Archon of Justice is quite powerful in this deck, as it allows for a flying creature, then a source to sac, and remove a card permanently.
Angel of Serenity gives me the option of 3 recursion or 3 removal.
Duergar Hedge-Mage can be played and replayed in this deck for knocking off annoying enchantments or mana rocks.
Magus of the Disk is one of the board wipes.
Grasp of Fate, Oblivion Ring, and Banishing Light all allow for really flexible removal. Same for Quarantine Field except allows for extra targets for more mana. Chained to the Rocks works the same, but only for creatures. Angel of Sanctions works similarly, but is a creature. Ryusei, the Falling Star really just acts as weenie removal and a sac source from a flyer.
Bringing them Back (and sometimes keep it!):
Adarkar Valkyrie Sac an opponents creature, then get it permanently!
Bazaar Trader Take it with a steal and keep it!
Angelic Renewal Sac my own creature, get it back! Gift of Immortality Sac my own creature, get it back... again, and again!
Emeria Shepherd play a land, get a card! Play a Plains, get a creature to sac!
Mistmoon Griffin Flys, defends, and sac-able, then get back a creature from the graveyard!
Squee's Embrace fun and easy to play, and retrievable with Tragic Poet.
Tragic Poet, a low mana cost creature to get any enchantment in my deck back for any reason. Fun with Squee's Embrace, Angelic Renewal, etc. Returned Pastcaller a flyer that lets me grab a Threaten or Breath of Life. Angel of Serenity gives me the option of 3 recursion or 3 removal.
Stealing their Creatures:
Captivating Crew steals every turn! No wasted card space here, just a reusable sorcery.
Conquering Manticore powerful flyer, that steals!
Zealous Conscripts You can steal anything! Anything! Lands? Mine. Artifacts? Mine. Works great with Bazaar Trader.
Act of Treason, Portent of Betrayal, and Threaten are all basic steal spells.
Malevolent Whispers, Mark of Mutiny, and Traitorous Instinct all give me steal with buffs for Flinging.
Harness by Force allows for more than one thing to be taken if the extra cost is paid!
1 year ago
KongMing I am afraid, blink spells won't work here, since both Archon of Justice and Ashen Rider have to die. I am not 100% certain about Mangara of Corondor, even though I believe he needs to be exild too for the ability to resolve properly. Possible options I see for this deck are Unburial rights, Ascent of the Worthy, Footsteps of the Goryo, Hell's Caretaker or Persist in combination with Village Rites or Reckoner's Bargain.
1 year ago
esperdeathblade I'd say Junji is a similar power level to Archon of Justice. They both have strong effects that get even better when Teysa can double them, but 5 mana is a steep price to pay. It's almost certainly less impactful than most of our 4-drops, like Luminous Broodmoth that doubles all of our creatures or Elenda, the Dusk Rose who spirals out of control. But let's evaluate his ability individually.
Reanimating a single creature from any player's graveyard is decent, but for 5 mana, it's a poor rate. We can reanimate a creature for 1-2 mana with Animate Dead or Reanimate, and we don't play either currently. Since Junji can reanimate two creatures with Teysa out, it gets a bit better, but Victimize can do the same for 2-less mana.
Junji's other ability, forcing each opponent to discard two cards is comparatively more powerful. With Teysa out, we discard 4 cards, sometimes putting multiple players into topdeck mode. However, the power of this effect is very situational. Many decks have permanent-based card draw engines which will already be out by the time we resolve this 5-drop, and some decks don't care about losing their hands or will even thank us.
There's something to be said about Junji's versatility, since you can choose differently based on the situation, and you're even allowed to choose one of each with Teysa. Overall though, it's a bit too slow and low-impact for this current build. In a slower, grindier meta with more control decks, I can see the discard with reanimation options being quite valuable. And definitely play him if you think he's fun!
2 years ago
Hey, well done with your version of Teysa.
Consider Mimic Vat? It has lots of uses in multiplayer Commander because it can imprint an opponent's creature who died. Best of all it's a repeatable effect to create a creature token and you can change which creature is imprinted as long as the creature died.
Imprint your own creature who has a good dies effect such as Archon of Justice. Add a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer to sac the token before the next end step and control Teysa to repeatedly exile two permanents when the Archon token dies.
Consider Priest of Forgotten Gods and Skirsdag High Priest? These Priests are in my opinion underrated in multiplayer Commander since they're two drops who's if you get to tap them can take over a game with tokens. Skirsdag can be activated when any creature dies that gives it a lot uses in multiplayer. Teysa gives tokens vigilance, flying tokens can attack, then if they need to block, then be tapped to activate Skirsdag.
- Mimic Vat --> Promise of Tomorrow
- Archon of Justice --> Squad Captain
- Viscera Seer --> Ninth Bridge Patrol
- Priest of Forgotten Gods --> Nadier, Agent of the Duskenel
- Skirsdag High Priest --> Righteousness
Good luck with your deck.
multimedia on Teysa
2 years ago
Hey, you don't need massive help. This is a good first version especially if it's your first deck.
Some advice is try to reduce the mana curve. A 3.5 avg CMC is high, reducing this number will help gameplay. You want to prioritize the four, five or higher CMC cards. Keep the best ones for your strategy and cut the others. This deck building process is called streamlining or "cutting the fat". Adding more draw and ramp will help game play.
An example, the best fours drops here are: Teysa, Smothering Tithe, Pitiless Plunderer, Luminous Broodmoth, Elenda, Anointed Procession. Best five drops and six drops here: Sidisi, Thalisse, Wurmcoil Engine, Elspeth.
All the others not named could be cut to reduce the mana curve. A five drop that has a powerful die trigger is Archon of Justice, it's an upgrade for Liesa, Shroud of Dusk. Solemn Simulacrum is a fine four drop for ramp and a draw trigger when it dies, it's an upgrade for Kor Cartographer.
Reducing the mana curve means cutting high CMC cards for lower ones. Some examples:
Cutting Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, a seven drop, adding one drop Skullclamp. Skullclamp is one of the better cards with Teysa for a draw engine. It's die trigger draws four cards, it's very good with the 1/1 token theme and sac outlets.
Cutting Increasing Devotion, adding Viscera Seer, five drop for a one drop. You can create tokens from many other sources that have more interaction with Teysa than Devotion does. Seer is a one drop repeatable sac outlet who can also be repeatable filtering the top card of your library to help draws especially with Skullclamp.
Cutting Debtors' Knell, adding Phyrexian Reclamation. A seven drop that doesn't do anything the turn you play it for a one drop that's mana efficient repeatable creature recursion even at instant speed.
Adding more two drop mana rocks: Talisman of Hierarchy and Orzhov Signet to improve ramp by cutting some four drops such as Oketra the True and Ill-Gotten Inheritance. For your deck Oketra is an expensive price card that's a mana expensive source of tokens which doesn't have much interaction with Teysa.
- Teysa + Ashnod's Altar + Pitiless Plunderer + Reassembling Skeleton = infinite mana and infinite die triggers.
- Teysa + Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle + Ministrant of Obligation = infinite Spirits and infinite die triggers. Do this combo on your last opponent's turn to then on your next turn attack all opponents with infinite Spirits.
If interested I offer more advice. Would you like more advice? Good luck with your deck.
2 years ago
cfost827 To make the deck any more competitive, the easiest thing to do is to include more cheap mana sources, add more disruption, and cut the higher mana cards. I'd consider some more competitive cards like Mana Vault , Mox Diamond , Dark Confidant , Imperial Seal , Ad Nauseam , Opposition Agent etc. The cards you should look at cutting are the slower, high cost ones like Requiem Angel , Solemn Simulacrum , Archon of Justice , etc. This doesn't include Razaketh, the Foulblooded or Vilis, Broker of Blood though since they practically win the game upon entering. Tweaking the deck to give it 5% more power level can be difficult since such a small change is subtle. You're going to have to add and cut cards to feel it out and probably play a ton of games to test.
In terms of what to cut for more fodder, you could cut Archon of Justice and Sifter of Skulls for Carrier Thrall and Imperious Oligarch , or whatever 2 drops you want. Archon and Sifter are a lot slower than cheap fodder, so if you want more, you can cut cards like them. If you want more than 2 new pieces of fodder, you could keep cutting slower 4-6 drops like Solemn Simulacrum , but it'd impact your mana base or other aspects of the deck.
DubWubby This is a cool combo. You could include it, but you're right in that it's fragile and inconsistent. It's really strong in ideal scenarios like with Buried Alive or any time you draw Vizier of Remedies with any persist creature. However, it'd be hard to include for a few reasons. If you draw persist creatures and don't have vizier, they're weak sac fodder on their own, so you'd want to include few of them. However, if you draw vizier without persist creatures, then she's almost useless, so you want to include more of them. Finding the balance of how many persist creatures you need as well as what to cut is the challenge. Saying that, Putrid Goblin is almost as efficient as other 2 drop fodder cards, and both him and vizier have 1 toughness for Skullclamp , so they aren't irredeemable on their own.
2 years ago
Thank you multimedia for the detailed feedback, really appreciate you taking the time to provide this information. Like the suggestions and definitely want to consider some for changes to the deck but figured would explain my thought process on some of these cards before deciding what to change.
While Open the Armory does help get two nice cards for this deck in Skullclamp or Animate Dead it is limited to just those two cards so don't want to end up with a dead card if both are in hand or on the field.
As for the other recommendations I'll try Sun Titan , Archon of Justice , Court of Grace , Mentor of the Meek , Swords to Plowshares , Fanatical Devotion and Austere Command with your recommended cuts on 7 of the 9 cards excluding Martyr's Bond and Field of Souls . Keeping Bond cause I like the combination with Tergrid, God of Fright Flip and Souls for the tokens. Also rebalancing the lands a bit.
With that said not sure if I needed more lands or mana rocks for this deck as well. And have been also debating cutting Oketra's Monument as well.
2 years ago
Hey, well done for your first Commander deck. You have good card sense on a budget and seem to already understand the importance of mana curve :)
Open the Armory can get Skullclamp or Animate Dead . Court of Grace can create flying tokens, either an Angel or a Spirit and it can be repeatable draw with the monarch. Archon of Justice has a powerful die trigger with Teysa. Sun Titan can be repeatable reanimation and 3 CMC or less gives you many options of permanents to reanimate. Titan is excellent with Animate Dead .
Swords to Plowshares is a staple instant removal spell for white, but because Teysa is a Human then Dire Tactics is a less than $0.50 option. Generous Gift is a versatile instant removal spell. Austere Command is a versatile board wipe. Fanatical Devotion is a sac outlet for repeatable protection from most removal and in combat. Mentor of the Meek can be repeatable draw when creating 1/1 tokens.
Some cards to consider cutting: