Whenever a creature is put into your graveyard from battlefield, you may sacrifice Angelic Renewal. If you do, return that card to the battlefield.
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Angelic Renewal Discussion
1 month ago
As a baseline, you'll need to add lands, which I'm sure you know. Since you're making Treasure and Gold tokens in this deck you'd probably be good with roughly 34-36 lands, leaning more to the most mana color you'll need, say like a 25/25/50 split if thats what you're going for.
While I do like Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls they have a high mana cost as most good Angels do, while Tariel synergizes well with your strategy she does have that randomness factor and would advise a more reliable and consistent option. Gisela speeds up the game. As a player this is good and accelerates the game, but as an opponent my first priority would be to get rid of Gisela and that paints an even bigger target on your back.
Restoration Angel is fantastic for your edict effects, at face value. You'd need to run flicker effects to really make it shine. Basandra, Battle Seraph seems really good, forcing people to attack is nice and it prevents players from casting anything in combat, however it means instant speed removal will be used before the combat step. This also stops you from casting spells in combat.
As for Human synergy, I really like Teysa Karlov , Thalisse, Reverent Medium , Queen Marchesa , General's Enforcer and Fain, the Broker . All of them work very well with the token strategy, especially Teysa and Thalisse
Things I wouldn't necessarily include are cards like Juri, Master of the Revue (as good as she is with Fling ), General Kudro of Drannith (incidental unless you go all in on the Human tribal strategy), Devout Chaplain (same reason for Kudro), or Dire Fleet Hoarder (basically a one time effect unless you jump through the Teysa hoop, yes it does give you a Treasure token, but at a cost of 2 mana and the creature dying).
As for Demons I really like the Archfiend of Depravity and Rakdos, the Showstopper , their mass sacrifice effects are wonderful, however Rakdos does effect your board heavily unless you play to his synergies, you wouldn't want Negan to die to his effect would you?
-When it comes to your Dragons, I think you hit the nail on the head, nothing I would really change or take out. Allows for Magda, Brazen Outlaw to have a decent outlet if you don't want an artifact.
-Finally, the other things you've got going. Dockside should just be an auto-include, albeit a heavy price tag, but if you can get one you should definitely include it.
Dark Impostor , while mana intensive is still a decent mana sink that can function effectively as targeted removal. Definitely keep your edict creatures, they are super useful and trigger Negan, and thats what you want.
Starnheim Aspirant is useful if you go super heavy into the Angel theme, but if you skimp on the Angel theme this could very often be a dead card.
Storm-Kiln Artist , I like this a lot for this deck, can be a beater, and generates value.
Vault Robber , seems bad, and bad to do. Synergizes with Magda and makes Treasure tokens, but thats really it... PLUS it requires you to have a creature in YOUR grave. I'd cut this, but if you have a reason to play it I'm not seeing immediately play it in your deck.
Viscera Seer , good card, good sac outlet, not much else to say.
Creatures I'd include based on what I've seen: Solemn Simulacrum , Burnished Hart and Mayhem Devil . Some good ramp and a decent damage dealer if you'd like to play a cheap one. Plus the Devil is great at just 3 mana.
Angelic Renewal is basically a one time effect. While good, there are better recursion spells out there, but this one does fit the Angel theme so thats really cool. :D
Aside from that, I think that's a decent spread of enchantments. Nothing to add really, love the inclusion of the Sagas and Revel in Riches .
- Shiny Impetus is good for token generation, but don't play a sacrifice creature to have that player just get rid of it, deceptively good and bad.
The Eldest Reborn is also another good saga to include if you want another edict type effect, and when it does go off you can get what you want from players' graveyards.
The three signets for your colors, Arcane Signet as well.
Panharmonicon to double up on edict effects.
- Approach of the Second Sun : Does provide you an effective way to win, very good card for a deck like this especially if the game goes long.
- Brass's Bounty . Love it, not much else to say.
- Contract Killing fits the theme and the flavor. Love it.
- Damnable Pact is good card draw for you, and useful against someone who flies too close to the sun.
- Debt to the Deathless / Entreat the Angels . While both good, is not something you want to draw into early game or open with. I would highly suggest playing less finisher cards like these, but if you wanna play em don't let me stop you.
- Killing Wave . Love it, super good.
- Necrotic Hex . Expensive, but great effect.
- Excavation Technique is actually a really good spell. Synergizes with Magecraft like WoTC intended and is deceptive for your opponents.
- Increasing Devotion / Finale of Glory . One of these is better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which.
- Heartless Pillage / Seize the Spoils . I really like both of these cards as spells and thematically. They work well for Negan and as spells for you to Pillage and Loot with as you please.
- Ruinous Ultimatum / Tragic Arrogance : Both are fantastic, especially as finisher spells. I'd make a point to include both so you have an option when you're ready to win(IE: Revel in Riches in play with a ton of creatures on board, its akin to vandalblasting with a lettuce on board).
1 month ago
Love to see more Nethroi deck articles there, I also have a Nethroi EDH deck (NETHROI: EERIE PATH OF DEATH) but I'm still trying to improve it bit by bit. I've played other reanimator decks in the past (being a classic Meren player), and when Ikoria released Nethroi gived me a fresh and awesome legend to work in Abzan, a color combination that I loved but I didn't like previous commander options. My Nethroi deck is a bit more high CMC casual one, with some timmy stompy creatures, just because I already own more powerful decks for more competitive games, but still like to learn how people power up Nethroi. And if you include creatures like Eternal Witness or Skullwinder , you'll be able to loop thoses sorceries without limit.
Love your idea of including the Animate Dead + Leonin Relic-Warder combo. In my deck I play some combos too (like persist creatures + Good-Fortune Unicorn / Luminous Broodmoth and Sun Titan + Angelic Renewal / Fiend Hunter ) but as I also play Animate Dead , I could fit the Relic-warder or change some of my combos for it!
Lurrus of the Dream-Den your deck has a very low CMC, you'll be able to abuse Lurrus to keep the engine going before you reach Nethroi or late game-ending plays. Eerie Ultimatum I play it just because not always you can play Nethroi, it may ge countered or the mutation host destroyed... but having the Ultimatium as another way of mass reanimate can help and take the opponents unawared. It will also reanimate any permanent: lands, artifacts, enchantments... so powerful. Similar Living Dead: a classic reanimator deck staple, can act as a mass removal / mass reanimator / both... I think it's key.
1 month ago
Blasting Station -> Altar of Dementia
We can do the same instant win combo, interactions, etc, but this also allows for self-mill, so you can get more things in grave that Sun Titan and Emeria, The Sky Ruin can play for free instead of casting them (and usually faster too!). Plus the mill used aggressively outside of our combo can really throw some decks off of their feet.
Pilgrim's Eye -> The Birth of Meletis
Does a Pilgrim's Eye and makes a Wall of Omens like we used to have (minus the draw, but our Mentor of the Meek can help with that). The little bit of extra life-gain from this, plus what we can get from Charming Prince makes Lone Missionary kinda redundant, so I can replace him. Considering using one of his slots for a 3rd Altar of Dementia , 2 of them to move Aura of Silence to mainboard (since we don't have the ability to deal w/ Artifacts and Enchants w/ Oblivion Ring anymore), currently unsure what to do with the last slot, so it'll be a 3rd Blade Splicer as a placeholder.
of course, now I need to plan a new sideboard
1 month ago
2 months ago
So, while Scaretiller would give us more grind potential I don't feel he's necessary. He's a 4 mana 1/4 that requires us to have lands in hand or lands in the graveyard. Sure, we have things Cathartic Reunion and Evolving Wilds but he provides no immediate value and short of adding in cards like Springleaf Drum and vehicle cards we're going to need to attack to get value.
Already have Angelic Renewal in the deck; the 4 mana reanimation spells were a consideration but I didn't feel they warranted a spot due only having 3 creatures that cost more than 4 mana. Sure, we can cheat commander tax and sneak out a Crusher or get a cool etb that gives us monarch or gets back a combo piece - but it'd come at the cost of speed. Pedh decks already struggle enough to keep up with normal decks.
I do like the cycle on Marshaling Cry I may try it out in place of rally
The enchantments that return themselves could also be usful - definitely risky but I do like sudo-card advantage
The mana filter is an idea but definitely makes the combo have even more moving parts. I don't see it providing much value outside of the combo but I suppose that would require some play testing to truly determine.
Lastly, we already have Impact Tremors in the deck. I appreciate the suggestions and the compliments though. I have a feeling this deck will scale up.
2 months ago
I like the deck, but I'd like to make four suggestions:
Scaretiller can get you lands out of your graveyard, which is especially good since you'll probably discard a few and it triggers Quintorious, as well as being one of the only ways to land ramp in Boros and it does well with Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, and, if you want to add them, the Panoramas.
Reanimation Spells like Angelic Renewal , Breath of Life , False Defeat , or Resurrection are also pretty good for the deck too I'd say. They trigger Quintorious, can regrab a utility creature like a monarch card or a graveyard to hand card to double trigger if you need it, cheat out Ulamog's Crusher, or just basically cheat on Quintorious's Commander tax if he dies, although that is a bit risky but its better than paying 7 or 9.
Maybe also a card like Marshaling Cry as an extra board pump in case you need to go aggro in case you don't get Rally the Peasants. Its also better early game since you can cycle it away.
I understand that you are going for more combo than aggro, but if you want to get even more spirits, play some auras that return themselves back to hand when enchanted creature dies, like Fiery Mantle , Undying Rage , and Brilliant Halo . I'm the most shaky on them because they don't do anything without Quintorious, but with them they can grab an extra spirit per turn. Perhaps if you could include a Prismite Effect and an Impact Tremors effect, with Ashnods Altar and Starnhiem Courser, you can combo off with them by playing mantle on a Spirit, saccing the spirit, prismite effect filters and starhiem discounts so you can pay the one red to get mantle back and get another spirit, and get infinite Tremors triggers
Other than that, I really like the deck, although I'm not that great at these kinds of things either.
2 months ago
Thanks for all the suggestions!!
I ended up cutting a ton of Flashback cards from the deck honestly, as well as a few escape ones. They do make a spirit, but they ended up being a little less impactful than I liked. However, Prismatic Strands / Rally the Peasants might make their way back in.
I think while I do have a few humans, 7 may be a few too low. If I was running more hatebears like Drannith Magistrate I would maybe reconsider human tribal cards.
For another sac outlet I've been toying with Martyr's Cause , and I think I'll add it back in. It gives good protection to us from X spells or just damage based removal as well. It doesn't make the Angelic Titan combo win, but Altar of Dementia / Goblin Bombardment should be fine with that.
Pheonix subthemes sound pretty fun actually! Rekindling seems really good especially.
That's all really helpful! Thank you so much!
2 months ago
I'm not sure how exactly Quin plays yet, but I'm trying to come up with something with him too so I'll throw some cards I thought were interesting at you. Sentinel's Eyes seems decent, with Quin out it gives you two 3/2s for , which is pretty good. Battle Screech is just a generally strong tokens card so it fits with the token support, but also gives you a 3/2 (for free!). Same with Increasing Devotion , although thats definitely a lower power level just because of the mana cost. Prismatic Strands / Rally the Peasants are both also pretty strong cards that also will just throw in a 3/2 with Quin.
You have quite a few humans, so maybe throw in Bruna, the Fading Light Flip, and if you want to meld, Gisela, the Broken Blade ? Bruna's solid on her own, but I might just be biased because I love meld. Angel of Glory's Rise too, depending on how many humans you end up with. You could also play things like Resurrection and Breath of Life , or even Gate to the Afterlife / God-Pharaoh's Gift . Angelic Renewal goes infinite with Sun Titan and a sac outlet, which you should probably have at least one more of. Ashnod's Altar is the go too, but I think its pretty expensive nowadays, so maybe Blasting Station , Dark-Dweller Oracle , or Grafted Exoskeleton
A bunch of the phoenixes seem decent, since they always return. I think the best ones would be Flamewake Phoenix , Rekindling Phoenix , and Skyfire Phoenix . Flamewake seems great since with Quin your spirits activate ferocious, the others I'd be more skeptical about.
Well I hope that's at least somewhat helpful lol