Patron of the Vein

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2017 (C17) Rare

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Patron of the Vein

Creature — Vampire Shaman

Flying

When Patron of the Vein enters the battlefield, destroy target creature an opponent controls.

Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, exile it and put a +1/+1 counter on each Vampire you control.

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Patron of the Vein Discussion

Shimtalia on Bite Me, Harder Baby

1 month ago

After a few months of trading and acquiring, here are the changes to the deck:

Out - Final Punishment, Kheru Bloodsucker, Shadowcloak Vampire, Skeletal Vampire, Stoneforge Masterwork, and Viscera Seer

In - Bloodline Necromancer, Bishop of the Bloodstained, Deathless Ancient, Kindred Dominance, Patron of the Vein, and Sanctum Seeker

Not much of a gameplan change, just some upgrades and trying new folk out from C17 and Ixalan

Rhadamanthus on Patron of the Vein + ...

1 month ago

You won't be able to do both. Patron of the Vein exiles the card as the triggered ability resolves but Grave Betrayal sets up a delayed trigger that won't try to return the creature to the battlefield until the beginning of the end step. No matter what order you put the triggers onto the stack, the card will be in exile long before Grave Betrayal tries to look for it again. It will only look in the graveyard, since that's the first public zone the object moved to as it triggered the ability. The card won't be returned to the battlefield from exile.

Neotrup on Patron of the Vein + ...

1 month ago

When a creature an opponent controls dies, both abilities will trigger (neither are replacement effects, so you don't need to worry about that). You get to choose the order the triggers get put onto the stack as you control both, so you can put Grave Betrayal on top and get the creature onto your side, then resolve Patron of the Vein to get the +1/+1 counter, though Patron will fail to find the creature to actually exile the card.

Harnellas on Patron of the Vein + ...

1 month ago

How much value could one squeeze out of casting Patron of the Vein with Grave Betrayal out?

I'm wondering if I can still return an opponent's creature to the battlefield under my control from Betrayal after exiling it to get the +1/+1 counter on Patron, but my guess is that Betrayal would fail to find the creature in the expected zone (opponent's graveyard) and the delayed trigger would fizzle. Not sure if the exile would affect it though, since it's not a replacement effect.

hfvalenz on Athreos Deck (plz halp)

1 month ago

I strongly agree with PartyJ on the land count and even go further, because WB can be slow on ramp, you need mana rocks:

On the ramp side, there are a few things that can get you lands, but some can be expensive:

Also, any deck running black should include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers and maybe, Expedition Map to find them.

Besides all the above in my opinion this deck needs a direction on what you want to do with it, namely answering the questions What does this deck do? and How does it wins by doing that?

I also sort of agree with shaftdiggity's suggestion. Since your commander has a low CMC, and also is not very easy to deal with, you can rely on him staying on the battlefield and using his ability to get your creatures back from your graveyard. So, one way to go is by searching for creatures with relatively low CMC and/or good Enter the Battlefield effects, combined with Sacrifice Outlets.

These are some ETB examples:

These need to be used with an available Sac Outlet:

The way to play these cards goes like this: As they enter the battlefield, their first ability triggers and you get to exile somethin. Then, in response (or when the ability is on the stack but hasn't resolved yet you sacrifice the creature. Hence, the second ability will go to the stack, but since the first one hasn't resolved yet, there is nothing to return from exile. The first ability will then resolve, exiling something permanently.

Some good Sac Outlets exmples:

Forcing your opponents to sacrifice with you is very good:

Holmhollow on Vanquish the Unwanted

1 month ago

Patron of the Vein would be right up your alley, I think. You don't run a lot of Vampires so his lord-ish ability doesn't do much, but he exiles on ETB and after that he's redundancy for Leyline of the Void.

Erich_Zann on Honey, why is there a pot roast inside the candle?

1 month ago

Zerraphon, thank you for the insight. I understand what you mean about "timmy" strategy. EDH is heavy in control. Aggro decks don't do fully well here. It all depends on your meta as well, which I'm making a friend group for edh, but I would like to go to a LGS to play other players once in a while. I wanted to put Bloodline Keeper  Flip in here, but I also wanted to put in Anowon, the Ruin Sage. Patron of the Vein's second ability triggers every upkeep with him on the field. The only issue with running Anowon, the Ruin Sage is it can potentially get rid of Brutal Hordechief and Crypt Ghast. Maybe I'm stuck on the Pox mindset from playing Legacy for a bit.

What's your thoughts on Bloodline Keeper  Flip and Butcher of Malakir? What other creatures would you recommend?

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