Patron of the Vein

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Custom Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Commander 2017 (C17) Rare

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Patron of the Vein

Creature — Vampire Shaman

Flying

When Patron of the Vein enters the battlefield, destroy target creature an opponent controls.

Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, exile it and put a +1/+1 counter on each Vampire you control.

Patron of the Vein Discussion

Lokotor on Marchesa - Queen Bathory

3 months ago

Agent of Erebos fair enough, build to your meta.

You may find that other cards like Deadeye Tracker give you a bit more utility though. card draw and giving itself counters are nice upsides.

My main concern with the Cephalid Constable is that you don't really have any ways to give him evasion, so actually dealing combat damage to get the trigger seems somewhat difficult.

Patron of the Vein If you need the grave hate then I suppose, but CMC6 is fairly high up there for this. You might be better served with a lower CMC method of dealing with this issue, especially where creature removal is fairly easy to come by with cards like Plaguecrafter Fleshbag Marauder Grave Pact and hundreds of black removal spells. Withered Wretch might be a better option in some ways, and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is definitely a better bang for your buck.

instead of Dross Harvester you may want something you have a bit more control over such as Wurmcoil Engine or Basilisk Collar that way you can directly manage your life total rather than letting it change by happenstance. not to mention that wurmcoil is extremely good when you can repeatedly sacrifice it.

Rahvin_dom on Marchesa - Queen Bathory

3 months ago

Thanks Lokotor!

Agent of Erebos is repeatable ETB grave hate - I have a lot of graveyard recursion in my meta, and the ability to repeatedly exile the graveyard of the multiple Muldrotha, Meren, and Tasigur decks I face prompted the addition.

Cephalid Constable lets me bounce multiple permanents - as he gets bigger, he bounces more stuff. Grixis has trouble with enchantments specifically. Early on, he can be absolutely crippling, because you can bounce lands. And as a Wizard, it's easy to give him a counter.

Patron of the Vein is not there for Vampire synergy. He's unconditional creature removal on an ETB, he triggers an exile so I get grave hate, and when his exile trigger resolves he puts a +1/+1 counter on himself. This means he takes care of his own counter as long as I'm getting rid of creatures. Any other vampires who get counters are just bonus, and not at all required. I can just loop sacrificing him and letting him ETB again every turn.

Storm the Vault  Flip I agree is likely just winmore. I have a lot of ramp already.

Dross Harvester was mentioned in a Reddit thread as an effective way to get some life back when you dip too low. I agree that it should be cut - I can always test it later if I find myself getting too low on life.

Thanks for the input!

Lokotor on Marchesa - Queen Bathory

3 months ago

Storm the Vault  Flip Agent of Erebos Cephalid Constable & Dross Harvester seem like odd choices and I'd probably cut them.

Also you only have 4 vampires, so I don't think Patron of the Vein is really worthwhile.

completeR3tard on Elenda, Dusk Rose. Orzhov Vampires.

4 months ago

Some of those definitely seem like direct upgrades. I think I'll keep Underworld Connections , Profane Procession  Flip and Oathsworn Vampire for now, as their replacements a little pricey.

Voldaren Pariah  Flip, Nirkana Revenant , Patron of the Vein , Big Game Hunter are great additions, will look to pick these up I think. Tragic Poet is just in there as a reusable way of getting back enchantments, maybe it's unnecessary.

Thanks for the tip on the screen name, didn't realise it would be an issue. And again, thanks for the help.

triproberts12 on Elenda, Dusk Rose. Orzhov Vampires.

4 months ago

No trouble!

Personally, I don't like the rate on Banewhip Punisher , Oathsworn Vampire (It's just really bad Bloodghast ), Sadistic Skymarcher , Tragic Poet , Foul-Tongue Shriek , Chalice of Life  Flip, Fountain of Renewal , Bishop of the Bloodstained (Anthems and Sanctum Seeker will just be a lot more damage over the course of a game), Ravenous Chupacabra , Profane Procession  Flip, or Underworld Connections . They're all just very low impact in a 40-life, 4-player format, with the exception of the last two. Profane Procession  Flip is just so much more expensive than something like Rise of the Dark Realms , and while you're not the first person I've talked to who seems to think Underworld Connections is an acceptable substitute for Phyrexian Arena , man is it ever worse.

I don't like the rate on Call the Bloodline , either, unless you want to go deeper on a Madness or Reanimator theme, which could work, since you might want Voldaren Pariah  Flip, anyway. If you did that, Call to the Netherworld gets back Elenda, Big Game Hunter is a nice replacement for Banewhip Punisher , Bishop of Rebirth could be decent, and bigger vamps like Nirkana Revenant , Patron of the Vein , Necropolis Regent , Guul Draz Overseer , Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter , and Butcher of Malakir become much more attractive. That would require a lot of changes, though. You could keep Profane Procession  Flip and get a lot more out of Crypt of Agadeem that way, though, so maybe don't rule it out.

hkhssweiss on Vamp Ramp

4 months ago

Hey welcome to T/O arcrayne!

So if your struggling with early game being way too slow than yes your curve is way too high already. Since Markov makes tokens for you real quick, you want to use cards that are low CMC as well as give you a bunch of effects to make it worth. Here are some example cards that you don't have that can be considered using.

Those are some examples of well costed creatures that are low to drop but does things as well. Cards that aren't useful are like these one below.

Hope that kind of explains why these cards are not too great in this build. Also some tech card is Faith's Reward , absolute life saver when it comes to saving your guys from a board wipe!

Hope that helps and feel free to ask for any advice!

Coding on Vamps on Vamps on Vamps

5 months ago

Nice deck but most have just an effect on themself. I would choose True Conviction over Mark of the Vampire And you might like Sanctum Seeker, Shared Animosity, Stensia Masquerade, Rakish Heir, Patron of the Vein, Necropolis Regent, Indulgent Aristocrat, Blade of the Bloodchief, Vein Drinker Argentum Armor is way too expensive and draws too much attention in my opinion.

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Patron of the Vein occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.01%

RBW (Mardu): 0.53%