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Creature — Kavu
When Flametongue Kavu enters the battlefield, it deals 4 damage to target creature.
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Flametongue Kavu Discussion
2 days ago
I've made some changes:
And the deck goes better. Sometimes I don't need to cast Commander because the deck works all alone like a mana ramp deck for big spells who can break game for their own.Leave some comments or suggestions for the deck. I'd like to add a Baral's Expertise or Rishkar's Expertise but I don't know how to remove
3 weeks ago
Hey I hope you're still working on this! You commented on my deck and it took me a bit to get back as well. I know I +1'd a long ass time ago lol
Since you are going all creatures: you need to find ones that fulfil roles of noncreature spells.
Wood Elves, Farhaven Elf, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Coiling Oracle, maybe Ondu Giant. You have Solemn Simulacrum and Birds of Paradise which are fantastic. There's really expensive ramp too, like Bloom Tender and Lotus Cobra
I could not agree more with hintseeker's first point about drawing cards and utilizing colorless creatures. That's the meat n potatoes of the deck
I like Shaman of the Great Hunt; but not everybody does! It can chug along and turns all your creatures into pseudo-vampires. What's not to like? Thrasios, Triton Hero has a similar draw ability. Rashmi, Eternities Crafter is rad. Prime Speaker Zegana can be huge. Vizier of the Menagerie is a cool new card. Elvish Visionary and Wall of Blossoms just went back into my deck. I don't run Sages of the Anima since I'm running noncreature spells I want to draw, but it would be great in here once you've decided you've played enough lands. Filter them out for multiple creatures per draw. Oracle of Mul Daya is a thing too, and Magus of the Future
To put Cloud of Faeries, Peregrine Drake, Great Whale, and Palinchron into perspective; imagine the payoff of untapping all your lands after casting multiple creature spells and just keep going. Now bounce one of them with Shrieking Drake/Dream Stalker/Man-o'-War, cast again, keep going. With enough +1/+1 counters on animar: Temur Sabertooth can bounce them for infinite mana and infinite animar counters (Cloud of Faeries needs lands like Izzet Boilerworks/Gruul Turf/Simic Growth Chamber). Deadeye Navigator can also gain infinite mana via "Flicker" effect. Lastly, Tidespout Tyrant bouncing any two colorless and/or land-untapping creatures you control goes infinite. Whether it's eldrazi or morph doesn't matter. Ancestral Statue alone bounces itself into an infinite animar
Obviously I've given way too many suggestions. Choose what works for you and your budget. Also every playgroup/meta is different.
Cards I would take out: Ancient Silverback, Enclave Elite, Frontier Guide, Hanweir Lancer, AEther Membrane, Primal Clay, Young Wolf, etc. Instead of running something like Grazing Gladehart; invest in a Purphoros, God of the Forge mwahahaha
Above all, have fun! Cheers!
1 month ago
Here's hoping that Kavu are one of the Commander 2017 sets! ;)
1 month ago
bushido_man96 I get where you are coming from and under other circumstances your suggestions do make much sense. It's not that I rely on this one 5 colour deck for all my games in the same playgroup though. We all have some decks to change and the matchup multicolour against mono seems to be particularly bad, so I wanted to find ways to improve that. The "trick" with trying to build something that appears weaker than it is doesn't really work imo. Usually I try to kill the player first, who is easiest to remove in the early game, because he might play something that is hard to remove later in the game. It depends on the commander and if I know the deck and player, but doing unsuspiscious stuff in the beginning often means that the real action comes afterwards.
If I don't want to worry about blood moon at all, I can always play one of my other decks...I have one for every colour, Rhonas, Purphoros, Xiahou Dun, Jhoira (90% blue), Brimaz, my best deck is probably UW Stax and I have a Gitrog Monster. During one evening I don't play all decks, usually I play a deck until I have won once or twice, then take another one. Last week I happened to run into mono R and mono U with the 5 colour combo and the games showed some flaws in my deck. I managed to get rid of a Magus because I topdecked the single basic plains in the deck and hand a Path already available but I wasn't able to remove a blood moon even though I had a recruiter and Kiki Jiki...if that doesn't work, there's clearly something missing in the deck.
I do quite well with the 31 lands because there are mana dorks and some artifacts. I'm always somewhere between 30 and 33 and the amount of mana usually isn't the problem...with one free mulligan there's a good chance of getting what you need. The choice of lands is imporant though. I've removed Volcanic Island for an additional basic forest because I rarely need the combination UR. I tried removing Anger now because that was my main reason for playing duals with red but without green...and Anger was mostly needed for a trick with Master of Cruelties/Volrath's Shapeshifter and I kicked that combo out. The importance of Badlands still needs to be checked. I do want to keep the shocklands with green though, because green is my main colour.
What makes it difficult to cut something is that all the combo parts interact with something else and it's hard to find out what can absolutely not be thrown out and what is just a nice gimmick but not essential. Volrath's Shapeshifter and Defense of the Heart for example look great but I am not sure how much they really do in the current build. Defense can win the game if it triggers, but the requirement of 3 opponent creatures might be hard to meet by the time I could win with something else.
I'm testing Flametongue Kavu now, maybe Ghitu Slinger and I have Birthing Pod and Reclamation Sage in the deck again. We are opening some HOU displays tomorrow and I hope to get a Razaketh. Jin Gitaxias has also arrived yesterday, so I'm going to test him too as one of the reanimation targets. Cryptolith Rite might replace another land, because it makes all creatures into mana dorks...with all that specualtion and your inputs I think I should rather test some chances and see how it works in practice. I don't have a Sneak Attack but this and the EE dlamars suggested are on my watchlist. I'm still in favour of instant/sorcery removals (besides creatures with built-in removals) because Snapcaster Mage can reuse them and I've got nothing to make artifacts searchable or reusable.
1 month ago
I play a 5 colour combo deck (Combo Queen, but I think I have maybe 3-5 different cards in my real deck) and of course the biggest problem is to run into Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon and Back to Basics. I'm not talking about the possibility of Ruination because I have no response to that anyway and will have to prevent it with Gaddock Teeg.
My question is, what are the best ways to get rid of a Blood Moon when there's only red mana available and maybe one different colour from a mana dork?
Another method, although complicated, would be to use Imperial Recruiter to get Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, copy recruiter to find Elvish Spirit Guide and again to search for Reclamation Sage. That's the only other way I can imagine that would work without any other colour than red, but it takes multiple turns.
Do you know anything else that could work? Maybe something with alternative casting costs for removing enchantments? A cheap red creature that can kill a Magus when it comes into play ( Flametongue Kavu is a bit expensive for 3R and the recruiter can't get it)?
Often I have something to respond or at least one basic forest or mana dork to work with, but I don't want to have absolutely NO (tutorable or otherwise realistic) solution to a blood moon if it happens to catch me tapped out with only nonbasics on the board. Any help is appreciated!
1 month ago
Hey all, I made it back from a truly sweet prerelease, 3-1 in matches 6-3 in games, marred only by a spectacularly bad punt in match 3. If I'd single-blocked his Desert Cerodon with my Naga Oracle instead of double blocking with Pouncing Cheetah as well, I had exactly lethal the next turn. That aside, it was a sweet run, and I opened Neheb, the Eternal and Wildfire Eternal in prize packs. Very few sealed decks can beat a turn 4 Glyph Keeper or Scaled Behemoth. As for advice for you all- Play green. If you can get 2 Beneath the Sands and an Oasis Ritualists, you can basically play whatever colors you want. 4 color green control is legit. I was basically heavy green playing blue for Glyph Keeper and some draw, red for some removal and Chaos Maw, and black for a Cut / Ribbons. I had mana issues in one game out of nine, and it was because I got greedy with a mull.
Unquenchable Thirst- Always just said; That creature is useless. Solid piece of removal.
Mirage Mirror- My promo, which I drew every game. Damn. It's always the best thing on the board, always trades, and will totally kill an opponent without an answer. It's very vehicle-like in that regard.
Sunset Pyramid- This card was so sweet. Fixed my draws, gave me a random 2-drop, drew me cards when I needed it to... Seriously, this thing is great. If you have it, play it.
Randomly Very good Cards:
Desert's Hold- Most everybody averaged 3-5 deserts in their pool. I would play this as a straight arrest. With the lifegain tacked on it's freaking amazing.
Sifter Wurm- HUUUUUUUUUUUH. This thing is loopy. It's a 7/7 trampler that fixes your draws and gains life. I'm in love. Saw this cast about 5 times, and it never got less than 4 life, but the best was when someone flipped a Rags / Riches off it and completely flipped the game around. It's great. Play it.
Sand Strangler- The new Flametongue Kavu. Ew. This thing was so damn annoying. It's midsized, meaning it doesn't die easy, and it kills a lot of the creatures that trade with it well. Amazing. Play it.
Wrapping up, Hour of Devastation limited is a blast. Play it for all it's worth. I'm fairly certain 4-color green or grixis are the best decks, but you have fun with whatever. The fixing in this set is pretty sweet, and it'll let you play your heart's desire. I even saw a 5-color mill deck. So, prepare to have fun, because if you play this format, that's what you get.
1 month ago
I would say that it's definitely worth it to run Cyclonic Rift since it's in your colors. It's a powerful card in EDH and if you're using it, chances are you have bigger problems than taking 6 dmg from Ruric Thar, the Unbowed.
Stingscourger is a good way to get color-shifted effects to make your deck less blue-heavy if you need. (I would just not pay it's echo)
Cytoplast Manipulator is just evil against that deck..
in fact, you may consider just running some creature steal or copy so you profit off of your opponents' creatures!
things like Faerie Artisans, Gilded Drake, Siren of the Fanged Coast, Sower of Temptation, Beguiler of Wills, Callous Oppressor, Charisma, Empress Galina, Frenzied Fugue, Illusory Gains, Roil Elemental, Rootwater Matriarch, Seasinger, Tolarian Entrancer, and Willbreaker are some great removal! Why kill artaxa or any creature really if you can just take it and make them use their removal on it if they want it back??
2 months ago
I play Zurgo a lot in 20 life, and I know that the format is very different, but in general we want to be doing the same things. In 20 life you can very reliably go for a heavy burn plan and have it work out well. This strategy is in my opinion very sub-optimal at 30 life. I think you basically want to be as heavy on the beatdown plan as possible. 30-life zurgo was basically a meta-gaming deck, if you see a lot of control decks, this is were you want to be, Green meta-game = not so much. From what I understand of the format for 1v1 commander online, it is heavily slanted to control(vial smasher etc), and somewhat combo (baral). This means that Zurgo is in a good spot, however if the Nissa/Azusa decks get very popular, or more hate bear style decks come up Zurgo will get much worse.
Here are my suggestions for your deck, cut the following:
- Bomat Courier
- Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh
- Countryside Crusher
- Grenzo Havoc Raiser
- Hazorent the Fervent
- Jaya Ballard Task Mage
- Legion Loyalist
- Sin Proder
- Dangerous Wager
- Faithless Looting
- Kari-Zev's Expertise
- Lava Spike
- Molten Rain
- Wheel of Fortune
Some of these are too slow(Wheel of Fortune, Skullclamp), some of there just aren't efficient enough for 30 life(Lava Spike), and some are just outright bad (Bomat Courier, Sin Proder etc.).
What you want to look for in your cards is the following; repeatable sources damage (mostly in the form of creatures though artifacts and enchantments are great sources as well) or the ability for your instants/sorceruies to kill creatures as well as deal damage to players.
Here is what I would add to the deck:
- Lightning Mauler
- Mardu Scout
- Mudbrawler Cohort
- Speedway Fanatic
- Valley Dasher
- War-Name Aspirant
- Thriving Grubs
- Hellspark Elemental
- Eidolon of the Great Revel
The deck's best hands are turn one zurgo, turn two 2-cmc creature (preferable hasty) so I've tried to maximize the number of 2-cmc creature to ensure this happens as often as possible. If you end up wanting more 2-cmc creatures I suggest looking towards Ember Hauler or Goblin Bushwhacker
Next lets add a little beef to your threats:
Hero is essentially, Hellrider # 2 so it is great. Heelcutter is great at allowing you to spend you mana every turn, and also Superb against single blockers. Koth is just an outstanding card that allows you to diversify your threats in the face of wraths and can win games single handedly.
Instants and sorceries you should add:
These are efficent and you are already playing effective copies of 3 of the cards. If you find yourself running into more blockers, or the meta game is more green, I would look to the following cards: Flametongue Kavu, Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Flame Slash, Mizzium Mortars, Roast. These are great at clearing paths for your creatures to get through uncontested.
Personally I am not a fan of either Chandra, Pyromaster or Outpost Siege as they feel tough to maneuver around counterspells and are very slow against combo. As a result I would cut them and play Flame Slash and Forked Bolt (which feels great against many of the x/1 of the format).
In terms of your mana base, if you are playing grim Lavamancer, you should be to play all the red fetches. Encroaching wastes should be wasteland (I'm sure budget is a big concern here but even still I would just cut it), Rishadan Port is another great land you aren't playing. Mutavault is excellent to help with flooding. Hellion Cruicible seems a little underwhelming, and honestly most of the creatures in the deck have hast so Hanweir Battlements seems like a pipe dream to try to meld, however I think it is mostly a free roll if you are dead set on playing it. Barbarian ring is another card you could be playing, and so is teetering peaks. I also tend to play 37 lands as it is roughly equivalent to 22 lands in 60 card decks, and you are trying to cast 4 drops in this deck but 36 should theoretically work.
Best of luck!