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Creature — Ooze
As long as Necrotic Ooze is on the battlefield, it has all activated abilities of all creature cards in all graveyards.
Necrotic Ooze Discussion
1 day ago
Frank_Glascock. Getting the tribe elder means I'm getting a recurrable sac piece to my hand that ramps my board state. Another option would be the Spore Frog. But it depends a bit what you are playing against.
Yeah Necrotic Ooze I changed my mind about. I forgot it is a backup sac outlet among other stuff. So he is back in for now. I'm still in the process of testing control_trains list, and I'm just not convinced about all the picks he made.
Only play Birthing Pod if your curve with creatures is good enough. I checked mine last time and it was quite alright. Worldly tutor I don't think you need, but you can run it if you prefer another tutor I guess. But don't underestimate a well placed Victimize. It's both an incredible reanimate card and a sac outlet.
Again with the Imperial Seal ;-) Okay for the last time, It is an awesome card and if you really want a spot for it you can basically take any tutor out. I have a lot of expensive cards (Cradle etc) unfortunately this one I don't own. Thats why it's not in the deck. Although Mausoleum Secrets is a pretty okay tutor as well. Instant speed and goes straight to your hand.
And massacre wurm I'm gonna look at today, all 3 of the cards are amazing destroy effects I'm quite reluctant to cut + I'm gonna put him in for a creature.
About the birthing pod, still trying it out. He really performed last week. Often I stick around saccing a 3 mana creature to go to 4 mana. It's not about getting to 7 as fast as possible, the deck is all about getting what is needed in the situation we are in.
3 days ago
I find it very interesting that your first tutor is for Sakura-Tribe Elder . I have only played a couple of games with the deck. My first tutor is usually Spore Frog or Sylvan Safekeeper . It would seem your opponents would target Meren. How do you keep her on the board? Is your reasoning that you use Sakura-Tribe Elder to ramp so that you can just recast her?
Has your thoughts on Necrotic Ooze changed? You posted on May 15 on Control_Train's thread, "The other one that I've cut is Necrotic Ooze again, rarely pulled it's weight and often he turned into a sakura tribe elder... Not what I want to do for 4 mana."
I have tried to not add cards that either you or Control_Train are not playing. The logic being why not utilized two players who have games upon games to tune the deck. Keeping that in mind would you think it would be prudent to cut Pitiless Plunderer for Birthing Pod , and Victimize for Worldly Tutor ?
Now, having said that, I now am going to ask your opinion on cutting Mausoleum Secrets for Imperial Seal and Pernicious Deed , Maelstrom Pulse or Casualties of War for Massacre Wurm . The first cut I do not envision being controversial. Imperial Seal is a top deck, sorcery speed unconditional tutor. Mausoleum Secrets is instant speed but requires creatures in the graveyard and only gets a black card.
The second cut may get down voted by you. The deck already plays a top of spot removal and sweepers. Massacre Wurm is already on your radar and it makes another great etb effect at 6 mana for Birthing Pod .
Speaking of Birthing Pod, you only have one good etb creature at five mana in Sidisi, Undead Vizier .
3 days ago
Frank_Glascock I think those are some proper swaps :) Like I said before Garruk, Apex Predator is somewhat of a pet card thats why I run it. Destructor Dragon you should reconsider cause it can destroy lands, Vindictive Lich is something I want to try out and see if it works.
I don't think Pitiless Plunderer is worth the spot. My list runs 10+ tutors, most of the time the first card I go for is Sakura-Tribe Elder . The same reason I don't want to run Awakening Zone I literally don't need the mana. The only thing that would make me pick Awakening Zone over Pitiless Plunderer is the fact that it makes creatures and thus more synergy with Meren.
Victimize I'm currently trying out since it's a back up for meren if I can't keep her on the field. I have many ways of getting stuff in my grave. A simple Victimize can get a Sheoldred back on the table....in Theory...
Krav was a bit of a hard cut. It was a card I actually had quite some time on the table and often he did not performed that much tbh... I think he shines more in a token deck than he does in meren. Cause if you play him mostly for the sac outlet then I think Birthing Pod is better. Talking about birthing Pod, it won me the game last wednesday cause I was able to get all my pieces out of my deck :)
I'm now trying to find a spot for Massacre Wurm . I have it in my binder and was playing (same wednesday) against Krenko and found out that I have ways to deal with krenko, but not with all the tokes he makes :)
3 days ago
Ripwater, I checked the deck. I am playing Sol Ring , Pitiless Plunderer , Fauna Shaman and Sylvan Safekeeper in place of Destructor Dragon , Garruk, Apex Predator , Vindictive Lich , and Necrotic Ooze . I guess I am most surprised you or Control_Train is not playing Sylvan Safekeeper. I can't see that ever getting cut.
1 week ago
Frank_Glascock Small correction: I put Necrotic Ooze back in, kinda forgot that it serves as a back up sac outlet amongst other stuff. I also found a vindicative lich in my binder wich I really want to try out :) And birthing Pod is back in, my cruve is quite okay creature wise to make it worth wile and together with Survival of the Fittest they are nice tutors. Only thing I'm now on is that I might run a bit too much tutors hahaha
1 week ago
I agree with Frank_Glascock that Prowling Serpopard is not really pulling it's weight. I play in a control heavy meta and I rarely tutor for it. So that one goes out for Mindslicer . In my opinion as well Mindslicer is a ruthless card and much better against control then the more passive Prowling Serpopard
The other one that I've cut is Necrotic Ooze again, rarely pulled it's weight and often he turned into a sakura tribe elder... Not what I want to do for 4 mana. Chosen to add another copy of Plaguecrafter in the form of Merciless Executioner . My playgroup is really after removing plaguecrafter from the game ASAP. So another copy of it will make sure I can do my thing a bit more.
I don't agree with you, Frank_Glascock, on Destructor Dragon . At first I was a bit sceptic as well, but it is recurable removal that goes after anything that is not a creature. At first I thought why not Woodfall Primus , but 8 experience is just harder to get back than the 6. Especially since my playgroup loves to keep meren off the table...
Sol Ring I rarely have the feeling that I miss it.
Agent of Erebos is amazing in any Meren deck. Almost any deck plays some way of recursion and he is an all-star at keeping graveyards empty. I often dump him early game in my Survival of the Fittest to get him out of my graveyard later on.
Final Parting is a really decent tutor in this deck, cause it basically let's you get 2 creatures at the cost of 2.5 mana per creature. Wich is a bit more than a Demonic Tutor , but the fact that it's 2 tutors on 1 slot, I think is pretty amazing.
Control_Train, I have a hard time agreeing with all your cut's for WAR. New Lilly and Bontu are amazing for our decks! But I don't think Massacre Girl will perform that well. With the amount of Meren removal I'm experiencing, I'm quite reluctant in playing here and probably wiping my own meren off the battlefield.
Guardian Project seems like a wrong idea to take out. It draws soooo much cards and at a 4 mana investment I'm quite happy with it.
Casualties of War is amazing and it went directly into the deck.
Other cards that I would like to discuss with the both of you are: Garruk, Apex Predator Old face smasher has been in my deck for quite some time now. And especially with WAR out he performs really well. His mana cost is most of the time not really the problem and if our deck performs well by the time he hits there won't be much creatures to deal with him.
Kokusho, the Evening Star quite soon I found out that playing meren makes me a target. And when you are a target your life goes down. Kokusho fills this gap and get's me my life back. The fact that he is a flyer (next to the dragon, we play zero flyers) is quite nice as well. He really was the card I was missing in this deck and won me the game already a few times.
Sheoldred, Whispering One Often people already spent most of their removal when she hits the table and that means they have trouble dealing with her. She is an absolute all-star and if not dealt with most of the time results in a win.
Would love to get your imput as well!
1 week ago
Hey, good looking deck, ive been enjoying tuning up meren as well, feel free to take this with a grain of salt but here are a couple things i notice that i would suggest changing
-first i notice a strong discard theme, which i can understand the temtation to just get to dip cards into the grave, unfortunatly with some of these you might be unintentionally giving your opponent card advantage with cards like Dark Deal . I prefer Fauna Shaman to get cards from hand to grave yard, cause then you can find the other half of a combo, for ex. Fauna Shaman >discard Phyrexian Devourer search for Triskelion discard Triskelion search for Necrotic Ooze play it, win on the spot, or if there is a counter just bring him back at the end of turn and do it again. Another great option is Buried Alive when i play meren against another graveyard deck it is pretty much a race to get this because many times it can cause a graveyard deck to win on the spot. Also Phyrexian Reclamation and Tortured Existence can have some awsome graveyard interactions depending on your need -next is recurgence you have some great card effects that cant really be recurged like you can with creatures so cards like Nihil Spellbomb while a good effect maybe something like Agent of Erebos could give you much more value, in a deck like this seeking out creatures to do the job of spells can be very powerfull. Another card that does a lot of work for me is Life from the Loam getting lands and filling your grave yard is great ive played it turn two with no target to value drege on t3. -lastley im glad your running Necropotence many overlook this card for some crazy reason, but i would recomend running Reliquary Tower or Thought Vessel to get some crazy value out of it, my personal favorite is Venser's Journal but some ppl think its to costy, i understand that. -Well if you read all that thanks for listening to my rant, i enjoy playing meren a lot and have tested her in a pretty competetive environment extensivly, so i have lots of opinions on her lol. Some last thoughts would be to drop: Bloodghast , Priest of Forgotten Gods , Shriekmaw and add somthing like : Viscera Seer , Phyrexian Delver , and Fauna Shaman . Any questions or anything just let me know, i like talking about meren, good luck buddy
1 week ago
Laboratory Maniac + Paradigm Shift does work like this: Paradigm Shift does exchange your library with your graveyard. If you have not many cards in the graveyard, then you may win pretty easy with Laboratory Maniac and any draw card.
- IF Laboratory Maniac is in your library while you are playing Paradigm Shift , then this card would be put into your graveyard and your commander Lazav, the Multifarious can turn into the Maniac.
- IF you have your combo pieces in your library, Paradigm Shift puts everything into the graveyard. That means, you may instant combo off with Necrotic Ooze and any other card. I strongly recommend to put in Grand Architect + Pili-Pala for infinite mana.
- This combo works well with your Mirror-Mad Phantasm , also with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , both cards help you to win with the alternative of having no cards in your library. Therefore please consider Leveler , because it's a 10/10 and helps the idea of winning with Laboratory Maniac .
With Doomsday you are able to put your cards in your library you need to win the game. Fantastic with Laboratory Maniac . A little bit of a risk to play this card. But wow, what an impact does this card make. Guess every opponent can't believe the awesomeness of playing this card.
On the other hand, if you are not going into this idea please take a look at "The Many-Faced God" - [[Primer]], because this deck works nearly the same as your deck wants to work.
If you are going to buy any of this card, please don't haste. This deck needs many test games to see what cards will word and what cards won't. There are many expensive cards you don't need at all. Like Wasteland . Play Strip Mine , this card is cheaper to buy and is better. The only reason that Wasteland is expensive is that Wasteland is unbanned in the popular MTG Play Format "Legacy" and Strip Mine is banned.
You may reduce costs in you lands, if you like to get a more budget reasonable deck. Bloodstained Mire , Marsh Flats , Polluted Delta are way too expensive for their effect. They are 1) better in other formats like Legacy or Modern and 2) you are playing 2 colors, so normally you have both colors available. Sunken Ruins , Minamo, School at Water's Edge , Shizo, Death's Storehouse are good if you have them already, otherwise they won't make that big impact (They are indeed good cards, just saying) if you need to buy them.
Necrotic Ooze occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%