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Forsaken Sanctuary Discussion
1 week ago
If your maybeboard consists purely of cards you own/can obtain, these are my suggestions:
- Submerged Boneyard --> Sunken Hollow
- Meandering River --> Prairie Stream
- Dismal Backwater --> Drowned Catacomb
- Forsaken Sanctuary --> Hallowed Fountain
- Tranquil Cove --> Temple of the False God
- Jwar Isle Refuge --> Exotic Orchard
- Scoured Barrens --> Esper Panorama
- Arbiter of the Ideal --> Eldrazi Displacer
- AEthermage's Touch --> Coalition Relic
- Dead Reckoning --> Conjurer's Closet
- Lavinia of the Tenth --> Kaya, Ghost Assassin
- Mastery of the Unseen --> Eerie Interlude
- Haunted Crossroads --> Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1 week ago
Yes, it works very well against aggro and G Stompy. Hard control is the only real problem, let's see what happens after rotation, once Torrential Gearhulk is history the hard control builds suffer, Turbo fog won't work too once Haze of Pollen is gone,... onl problem is the man abase, Concealed Courtyard is 1 lvl above Forsaken Sanctuary, and i will miss my Renewed Faith, won 2x against Zombies creating a Blocker AND gaining life,...
2 weeks ago
Hey, you're welcome.
Vampires is good for your first Standard tribal deck and you've already narrowed down to two of the best cards for Vampires, good job. If I had to choose from one of the two five drops, I like Regal Bloodlord over Epicure of Blood. Bloodlord can be a flying token generating engine and he has flying. Other common and uncommon cards including Vamps to consider are: Dusk Legion Zealot, Adanto Vanguard, Martyr of Dusk, Queen's Commission and Unclaimed Territory.
For the manabase you've already added 4x Forsaken Sanctuary which is good, but also consider Territory? It's a $2 uncommon which is more pricey than most Standard uncommons, but with tribal decks it's a very good land especially when you have a two drop Legion Lieutenant who's casting cost is . Territory can really help because it can make one mana of either black or white for Vamp creatures or if you don't need colored mana it can make one colorless for example for Call to the Feast. Territory can also enter the battlefield (ETB) untapped; like a basic land you can tap Territory the same turn you play it to make mana.
A lower price (less than $1) rare to consider is Champion of Dusk. Champion is pretty powerful with a Vamp token strategy as well as life gain. He can draw you a lot of cards; he's one of the better five drop Vamp options because he's a payoff for playing Vamp tokens. Other higher price (more than $1) rares to consider are Radiant Destiny($3), Legion's Landing Flip($4) and Isolated Chapel($3). Destiny is another anthem effect, like Legion Lieutenant it can also give Vamps +1/+1 if you have both Legion and Destiny in play at the same time then Vamps are getting +2/+2. Each time you add another Legion or Destiny to the battlefield Vamps get more pump (increase power/toughness).
Landing is a double faced card (DFC). Have you seen one of these cards yet? They're pretty neat. Both sides of the Magic card are different cards. The front side is an enchantment and then it can flip into a land. It's a good one drop for Vamps because it makes a Vamp token then if it ever flips into a land each turn you can make a Vamp token by paying three mana and tapping the land. Chapel is another black and white dual land; like Sanctuary it can also make one mana of either black or white. The reason it's a rare however is because it can ETB untapped if you control a Swamp or Plains, meaning a basic land Swamp or a basic land Plains.
Ignore the example creature base with Militia Bugler I provided in my last comment. That base can be good, but it's not a base you want to use if you want to play Vamps with Lieutenant. Bugler's ability can find a lot of potential different two drop Vamps including Lieutenant as well as Elenda, but he's not a Vamp and he can't find Feast or Commission. These spells are too important to the Vamp strategy. For instance if you play Bugler when he ETB you get his ability, but if you find a copy of Feast or Commission you have to put it on the bottom of your library meaning you will not draw that copy of the card for a long time, possibly not at all in the game. Reducing your chances of drawing and being able to play these spells that make Vamp tokens is going against the overall Vamp strategy.
You already have a start with a deck list with 4x Legion Lieutenant, 4x Call to the Feast, 1x Elenda, the Dusk Rose which is good. I'll give you a base of cards to consider adding to these, but for now I'll leave out the higher priced rares. I'm not going to fill in the amount of each card (?x) I think you should play; I'll leave that up to you to decide :)
- 4x Lieutenant
- ?x Zealot
- ?x Vanguard
- ?x Martyr
- 1x Elenda
- ?x Champion or Bloodlord
- 4x Feast
- ?x Commission
- ?x Seal
- ?x Down
- ?x Binding
- 4x Sanctuary
- ?x Territory
- 1x Folly
- 8x Swamp
- 7x Plains
2 weeks ago
Cuts: Costly Plunder, Cower in Fear, Disenchant, Lapse of Certainty, Angelic Purge, Chainer's Edict, Choking Sands, Duress, Dust to Dust, Hymn to Tourach, Nausea, Rancid Earth, Shrivel, Soul Reap, Unearth, Armillary Sphere, Commander's Sphere, Darksteel Ingot, Orzhov Cluestone, Wayfarer's Bauble, Alloy Myr, Pilgrim's Eye, Ash Barrens, 3x Swamp.
Adds: Forsake the Worldly, Palace Sentinels, Eyeblight's Ending, Merciless Resolve, Murder, Pestilence, Rend Flesh, Sign in Blood, Drifting Meadow, Forsaken Sanctuary, Orzhov Guildgate, Path of Ancestry, Polluted Mire, Evolving Wilds, Gold Myr, Guardian Idol, Prismatic Lens, Ethereal Armor, Auramancer, Monk Idealist, Eland Umbra.
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3 weeks ago
For the sake of saving words I'm just going to list my cuts and my adds. Then feel free to ask any questions.
Cuts: Esper Panorama, Haunted Fengraf, Rupture Spire, Transguild Promenade, Doom Blade, Invoke the Divine, Renewed Faith, Revitalize, Snuff Out, Undying Evil, Angelic Edict, Solemn Offering, Syphon Mind, Urborg Uprising, Soul Link, Guardian of the Guildpact, Kor Cartographer, Commander's Sphere, Orzhov Cluestone, Seer's Lantern, Vampire Envoy, Unhallowed Pact, Painful Lesson, Live Fast, Wayfarer's Bauble, Gray Merchant of Asphodel
Adds: Forsaken Sanctuary, Polluted Mire, Drifting Meadow, Whispersilk Cloak, Thorn of the Black Rose, Palace Sentinels, Chill to the Bone, Eyeblight's Ending, Rend Flesh, Merciless Resolve, Disturbed Burial, Grim Harvest, Afterlife, Forsake the Worldly, Journey to Nowhere, Fountain of Youth, Luxa River Shrine, Marble Chalice, Pious Kitsune, Stone Haven Medic, Tanglebloom, Fellwar Stone, Prismatic Lens, Gold Myr, Leaden Myr, Guardian Idol
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
Ok, as promised I arrived home and I'm going to help you out, I'll redo the suggestions I did on reddit and complete with the rest.
I would add Liliana of the Dark Realms to tutor some swamps, altho you already have several things to fetch lands, so it is up to you if you feel the need for it. Hatred is a card I recommend 100%, it's great as a finisher, and if your commander already has lifelink even better. If you can afford a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth then Nightmare Lash and Lashwrithe are good additions aswell. Weathered Wayfarer, Herald of Leshrac, Leonin Shikari, Oreskos Explorer, Taj-Nar Swordsmith, Divine Reckoning, Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Grappling Hook and/or Fireshrieker, Felidar Umbra, Hammer of Nazahn, Infiltration Lens, Kusari-Gama, Thaumatic Compass Flip, Myriad Landscape, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, Phyrexian Arena, Vona's Hunger, Crucible of Worlds. Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate are always good finishers in a black deck, and since you will be tutoring lands a lot you can guarantee a good value for X.
Also if your playgroup plays a lot with graveyard consider Bojuka Bog.
I think with the colors you have and playing Voltron you should add some pillowfort stuff to the deck, like: Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Collective Restraint, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, No Mercy, Dread, Baird, Steward of Argive, Windborn Muse, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, maybe Darien, King of Kjeldor could work too.
From what you already have on the deck I would remove the following cards: Darksteel Ingot and Fellwar Stone are not necesary, I know both of these are fixing but you already have several lands with 2 colors and plenty of land fetching, you don't need these. Helm of the Host is great, I love this equipment but in this specific deck I am not sure if it is worth it. At least not for the commander imo, but to use it on the other creatures you have that offer utility, specially the ones with ETB or the "propaganda" creatures, then it is definitly worth to keep in the deck. Lightning Greaves is loved by so many people but I don't really like it much, I mean the 0 equip is great, plus the haste but I don't like shroud, yes it protects your crature but also screws you, while it is equipped you can't equip other stuff on the same creature or enchant it, etc... So if you have no other creature to swap it and allow you to target your commander again you are basicly screwed, I don't think it is worth to occupy a slot with it. Same goes for Whispersilk Cloak, blue already gives you unblockable if you want, not worth to have this with the downside of shroud, I'd rather replace it with Aqueous Form for example. Mask of Avacyn is nice to protect your commander but that's all it gives, if you need a slot for something this is a card I would remove. Vedalken Orrery... You don't need this, I know the ability is nice and quite tempting but in a voltron deck you don't really need this, I would only keep it if there was a free slot with nothing better to put in it, but even then I think I'd rather add some equipment or aura instead of this. Baleful Strix is nice but for 1 more mana I'd rather have Phyrexian Arena in play, much better. Dreamscape Artist is nice if you can play lands from the graveyard, with Crucible of Worlds and similar cards, which btw is a nice recommendation for the deck, Crucible of Worlds would help you get your lands back when facing land destroyers or milling decks. Also not sure about Emeria Shepherd, I mean you can deffinitly trigger her several times, but idk. I would test the deck with her and see how she does, if she doesn't seem to be useful most of the times I would replace her, for example for the same CMC I would prefer Herald of Leshrac, much more synergy with your commander. Jhoira's Familiar is nice too, but again it is also one I would remove IF a slot is needed for something else. I'm also not sure about Walking Atlas, I think most of the times it will be a dead card on the board because you won't have land cards in hand at some point, making him generally a wasted spot on the deck. Yes he can be great in some situations, but when putting cards in a deck you gotta try and put the cards that will be good in any stage of the game, not only sometimes, and this guy is one of those "sometimes" cards. I also think you don't need Disallow and Stoic Rebuttal. I mean as someone who likes to play blue, I know how good and safe it feels to have some counterspells but in this specific deck you don't need that many, I would even say none but since you are playing blue anyway, 1 or 2 could be helpful but no more than that, remember the goal of the deck is commander damage, you already have a lot of protection for your commander in equipments and/or auras, you don't really need counterspells to protect him, so if you need slots for other cards I would even say remove all counterspells. I'm not a fan of Detention Sphere in commander, yes if your opponents have the same card in play it is great, but most of the times it won't happen, again it is one of those cards that are good sometimes but not always so I'd take it out. Regarding your lands I don't like much of Submerged Boneyard and Forsaken Sanctuary, Sunken Hollow and Caves of Koilos would be 2 good replacements that are not very expensive. I would also remove Temple of the False God and put instead some basic land, I mean yeah that 1 extra mana is nice and can help you but I'd rather have 1 more basic land to fetch with the artifacts, etc.
To sum it up, I think this deck works best as a mainly W/B deck with a splash of blue, for some of the Propaganda effects it provides plus the evasion and card draw/selection. Other than that what you want for Voltron and to fetch lands you will find it on white, black and colorless.
One small note, I think you have way too many things to fetch basic lands, maybe you could cut down 1 or 2, not sure. That's one of those things that require some playtesting, never played with so many so I am not sure how good or bad it can be.
That's all I guess. I bet there are some more good things for this deck but I don't know it all, yet! I know some of my suggestions are not budget but you can just add them to the aquireboard section, for one day later if you decided to include them.
Helping you out with this deck hyped me to try and make one with Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, as a nod to your own deck. If you ever need anything don't hesitate to contact me here or on reddit.
Hope my suggestions were helpful, and kick your friends's asses with Dakkon. Stay well :)
1 month ago
K gonna try to build it into a value sac outlet, recursion plan. If you like it look at Shirei, Shinzo’s Caretaker who also can the the same strat.
Mana base changes boring I know
Now onto cards to add
land base like this you have 3 tapped lands so a pretty fast mana base. I would say 1 of the land destruction lands ie Ghost Quarter would be a good addition, while over budget Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is the best. Non budget options Fetid Heath, Godless Shrine,Westvale Abbey Flip, Cabal Coffers.
Cards to ditch
Removal package 5 pieces of spot removal in Utter End, Swords to Plowshares, Mortify, Anguished Unmaking and Unmake can target all toss Vindicate IF you can grab it. 3 board wipes Dusk, Fumigate, Day of Judgment Will post again am sleepy