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|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Common|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Common|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
|New Phyrexia (NPH)||Common|
|Promo Set (000)||Common|
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Pristine Talisman Discussion
2 weeks ago
You are going to need more than 12 lands. Whenever I build a deck, I always start with 40 lands and then for every 3 pieces of ramp, which for a mono black deck would be a mana rock or swamp doubler or ritual spell like Dark Ritual, I remove a land.
Please retune the deck with 12 non-land mana sources and 36 swamps for starters and you can think of non-swamp lands you want to include later.
My suggestions for those sources are any 12 of the following, depending on your budget:
Songs of the Damned
Cabal Coffers <- could replace a swamp
Pristine Talisman <- defiantly want that
After that you've got the commander, which takes up 1 card slot, so that leaves you with 51 cards to choose from.
I see the bare beginnings of either an aristocrats or a reanimator deck. In my opinion you should push more for aristocrats. It can draw you tons of cards and gain you quite a lot of life. There's no harm in keeping some reanimation spells in there though.
You want a good number of sacrifice outlets. I haven't heard of what a hard number should be so I'd shoot for at least 5. Here's a list of some that I remember off hand:
Infernal Tribute <- has a funny synergy with Spine of Ish Sah
Altar of Dementia
Disciple of Griselbrand
Lampad of Death's Vigil
For this strategy you'll need recurring creatures or token generators
Bridge from Below
Open the Graves
Blood Artist is a staple
Plunge into Darkness is something you might want for the pure lifegain of 3 per creature you sacrifice. Not sure that you want to use the "exile a bunch of your deck" too often.
Shadows of the Past
and so forth. I'd look through some already built aristocrats decks to see exactly whether you want to take that strategy.
Oh yeah, for utility lands I'd choose any of the following within your price range:
Geier Reach Sanitarium
4 weeks ago
Alright, I have some suggestions. Now, never have I dipped in the complot of nocent life-gain, but I do see some follies withal the current decklist.
So, ramp and card draw are necessities of any commander strategy. I typically play decks that dump their hands aggressively, thus I have far more draw than normal. Around 34 slots grant me card advantage and 11 slots are for ramp. Here, you have four cards of ramp and five cards of draw. Granted, one of the draw engines is your commander, but that's six-mana afore it does so.
Furthermore, there are plenty of cards in here that just lack reach. Ajani's Sunstriker is horrid to draw turn 8 and onwards. It may be aggressive betime in the match, yet it is outclassed far too quickly.
So, what I'd cut due to card quality: Agent of Masks, Ajani's Sunstriker, Drana's Emissary, Fog Bank, Goldenglow Moth, Grim Guardian, Night Market Lookout, Oreskos Sun Guide, Pride Guardian, Servant of Tymaret, Wall of Essence, Elixir of Immortality, Fountain of Renewal, Narrow Escape, Spell Pierce, and Mana Leak.
Alright, same drill but I wish to offer some substantiation afore I denunciate these.
Coastal Piracy is a very potent card in decks possessing cheap, evasive creatures. This deck does not, thence I would advise ablating it; merely too inutile.
Sinister Possession and Stab Wound, no matter how much I love the Wound, are easily removed. A sacrifice outlet just negates this effect. The Possession in particular doesn't seem to do anything against certain creatures. Chainer, Dementia Master or Oracle of Mul Daya just don't oft attack or block. Even if, it is a mere two damage. Sure, it may stack quickly, but there are better ways to do so.
Condescend is just outclassed so quickly. Counterspells above two mana must do something potent, and this is potentially more. Scrying 2 is fine, but that also doesn't do much.
Dismiss into Dream is sweet, but this deck cannot deem to hent much from it.
Lovely! Now upon what I would add.
Given that the curve is rather high, I'd add Pristine Talisman; Arcane Signet; the talismans of dominance, progress, and hierarchy; Orzhov, Azorius, and Dimir signet; Mind Stone; and Worn Powerstone. This should grant you later plays far earlier in any match.
Unto thee, benison in card draw. Painful Truths is one I much enjoy. Sign in Blood or Night's Whisper are cheap and efficient. Phyrexian Arena and Underworld Connections go in quite a few decks. Well of Lost Dreams is just splendid. Fact or Fiction is never bad. Dawn of Hope is slow but on-theme. Erebos, God of the Dead seems all too perfect due to its static and activated abilities. Dream Trawler is awfully enticing for gameplans such as this. Lastly, Unfulfilled Desires is a hidden gem that I play in any deck that produces blue and black mana.
Of course, just some efficient engines and finishers. Debt to the Deathless and Exsanguinate are each nocent once resolved. K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth could also be fine, but lacking depending on your hand, for it cares only if the cost is black. Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord fetches fallen utility creatures from the yard and proffers much in life-gain. Aetherflux Reservoir does much in murdering everyone, too.
I'd recommend some more wraths in this deck. Fumigate is perfect, Merciless Eviction or Austere Command deal with those pesky artifacts efficiently, Elspeth, Sun's Champion is never bad, Supreme Verdict is fine though pricey, or Kaya's Wrath is always lovely. Take your pick.
Okay, now for some other upgrades on the basics of the deck. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Abolish, Return to Dust, Murderous Rider, Anguished Unmaking, Despark, Hero's Downfall, Reality Shift, Generous Gift, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Heliod's Intervention all remove permanents efficiently and at instant speed. Vindicate is fine but a sorcery.
Finally, some more life gain payoffs as consideration: Authority of the Consuls has oft shut down my strategies, Ajani's Pridemate gets far too large, Blind Obedience does something similar, Divinity of Pride and Serra Ascendant are giant threats in their own right, Bloodthirsty Aerialist does the same, Propaganda and Ghostly Prison make opponents pay to deal damage, Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant are early drops that allow for quite a bit of life to be gained, Archangel of Thune is always potent, Vona, Butcher of Magan is spicey, Angel of Vitality bolsters your engine, Boon Reflection doubles it, Twilight Prophet can get out of hand, Beacon of Immortality puts you heavensly ahead, Ajani, Strength of the Pride can win games on its own, and Felidar Sovereign demands an immediate answer.
That's all from me! Have a lovely day.
Thank you and farewell.
3 months ago
Hey, nice budget version.
Triskelion is the budget one card combo with Heliod. This combo gains you infinite life and kills all your opponents one at a time with damage. By giving Triskelion lifelink then when you remove a counter and do one damage to an opponent you gain 1 life. When you gain life this triggers Heliod and you put the counter on Triskelion to repeat. The expensive price creature who does this same combo is Walking Ballista.
Cards to consider cutting:
- 2x Plains
- Darien, King of Kjeldor
- Alseid of Life's Bounty
- Teyo, the Shieldmage
- Spear of Heliod
- Sky Tether
- Kirtar's Desire
- Weight of Conscience
- Curse of Exhaustion
- Hieromancer's Cage
- Starfield Mystic
- Leonin Warleader
- God-Eternal Oketra
- Ajani Goldmane
- Mind's Eye
Some budget upgrades to consider:
- Triskelion > Angelic Skirmisher
- Soul's Attendant > Angel of Vitality
- Altar of the Pantheon > Meekstone
- Pristine Talisman > Chalice of Life
- Mesa Enchantress > Gideon's Company
- Mask of Memory > Trapped in the Tower
- Darksteel Mutation > Luminous Bonds
- Unbreakable Formation > Riot Control
- Oblivion Ring > Pacifism
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
4 months ago
maybe Ball Lightning?
also i would run Rakdos Signet over Pristine Talisman. if you are worried about your life total maybe some extra ways to give greven lifelink would be good, like Eternal Thirst or Rush of Vitality or Grotesque Mutation.
also Fire Covenant allows you to pay an arbitrary amount of life to make greven bigger for a Hatred-like effect for only 3 mana. cool.
and Rogue's Passage maybe?
also i feel like you want Bedevil over Aftershock maybe - need that instant speed for your point removal.
same reasoning, i would consider Act of Aggression over Malevolent Whispers? i guess it depends how often you have a discard outlet so that madness is useful. speaking of discard outlets Skirge Familiar is a good one.
anyway just some thoughts keep having fun!
4 months ago
I built this deck around the power of Crypt Rats and Pestilence. Both are powerful board sweepers and can deal massive amounts of damage to your opponent. In this deck, you should be able to repeatedly use them to control the board and help kill your opponent.
Early in the game, you want to use your removal to control the board and build up your mana. If you need to, you can use Vampiric Link on an opponent's creature early as psuedo-removal since you will gain life for each damage the creature deals. Be careful because due to the wording of this card, if the creature's attack will take your life to zero, you will lose the game before you gain the life back. (When you get a chance to sweep the board with Crypt Rats or Pestilence, you will be able to permanently remove that creature anyway.)
Guardian Idol helps you ramp into your 4 casting cost spells on turn 3 or could let you play a Crypt Rats turn 3 with mana open to activate it for 1. When you play Pestilence with Guardian Idol in play, if your opponent kills the last creature in play to try to trigger the Pestilence end of turn sacrifice, you can use two mana to activate the Guardian Idol so you won't have to sacrifice Pestilence. Tendrils of Corruption and Corrupt can be used to kill creatures, but also will keep your life total healthy.
Pristine Talisman ramps your mana as well as repeatedly gains you life so you can stay ahead of the damage race since both of you will be taking damage from Crypt Rats and Pestilence. The mana from Pristine Talisman and Guardian Idol can help you pay for the colorless mana cost of Pestilence and Crypt Rats so you keep your black mana available for immediate activation. The mana ramp artifacts also help you cast your higher cost spells earlier, Guardian Idol activations, and help pay for the flashback cost of Chainer's Edict.
If have a hand full of spells but you are having trouble finding land early on, another way to build up your mana is to use the Swampcycle ability of Twisted Abomination to search your library for a Witch's Cottage, then use the Witch's Cottage to put Twisted Abomination back on top of your library to do it again next turn. This ensures you will hit your land drops every turn for several turns.
Although I mentioned using Vampiric Link as early removal, the better use of Vampiric Link is on either Twisted Abomination or Crypt Rats. Obviously, a 5/3 regenerator will be able to keep gaining you life even if they chump block. If you put the Vampiric Link on Crypt Rats, the point is not just to gain 1 life if it deals combat damage; if you activate its "X" ability to deal X damage to all creatures and players, you gain life for ALL damage that it dealt, including to itself. This combo can result in quite a lot of lifegain if there are multiple creatures in play! When the Crypt Rats dies, you can re-use it by using Witch's Cottage to put it on top of your library.
Having a Pestilence in play with a Thorn of the Black Rose or Twisted Abomination in play lets you activate the Pestilence for two damage a turn (both on your turn and your opponents turn). This lets you kill all of your opponent's X/2 creatures without losing your Pestilence. However, keep in mind Twisted Abomination can regenerate if you want to activate Pestilence more than two times a turn. If you are ahead in life or have one or more Pristine Talisman in play to keep your life healthy, these combos can end the game quickly.
4 months ago
To add all of that, I would take out 7 Wastes, Mishra's Bauble, Profane Memento, Thought Prison, Sun Droplet, Mishra's Bauble, Horn of Greed, Golem Artisan, Suspicious Bookcase(swap for Manifold Key, forgot about this beauty earlier), the Kaldra equipment can go (not enough tutoring), Pristine Talisman, swap Orazca Relic for Mind Stone, Oblivion Sower, and two more cards... but that's where it gets really difficult... maybe Skullclamp and Pilgrim's Eye? Your call.
4 months ago
Hey, you're welcome. I like the changes you've made, but you left out Command Tower. Tower > Guildgate :)
It's good you're thinking about the ratios you want to have for each parts to balance your deck. An approach, which you're doing well, is to play lots of low CMC cards to boost Karlov, get more out of extort, but I think you can expand on these further. Take more advantage of extort since you have to pay at least one extra white/black mana to trigger it, meaning that spells cost at least one more mana to cast. This is important to keep in mind and you can make extort better simply by the cards you choose to have in your deck. For example because of extort 2 CMC mana rocks are going to be better options then 3 or higher CMC rocks, Pristine Talisman is the exception.
With this kind of strategy I prefer more repeatable draw sources and tutors than ramp because draw sources get more cards into my hand which I want with low CMC cards. Ramp helps less with low CMC cards. This doesn't mean I don't play ramp; at least six mana rocks/other sources. I want some ramp/color fixing from rocks/other sources to help the manabase.
If you're keeping the Exquisite + Bond combo then you will want more ramp because that combo is mana expensive. Being able to ramp into Citadel, Krrik, Pontiff, Aetherflux or Sorin M. can be a game changer especially Citadel and Aetherflux. However, consistently this will not happen, but having the option can help game play. Sword of the Animist is nice, the kind of ramp you want, because it goes with the voltron strategy with Karlov making it repeatable. In my opinion draw helps more than ramp in this version of Karlov.
I will continue my advice in another comment, including upgrades to consider making.