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Indulgent Tormentor Discussion
2 weeks ago
SenseiRamen Here I come again! I'm glad some of my suggestions were helpful, I hope you're doing well with this version. It seems really cool, well done. :)
I tried a Mathas, Fiend Seeker's deck on my own those last week, with some cards I had left on my collection (so it's far from being optimized), and it's been a hell of good fun. I love the dilemma it causes on the game's state as even if you aren't the greatest tread everyone will play around your decisions and beware your control tools. This commander has surely a lot of serious potentials to exploit.
Before anything else, let me excuse myself for a mistake, I hadn't understood the interaction between the Kulrath Knight and Mathas at first sight... gosh, it's just insane! I really have to give a closer look at those cards I've nearly never seen. That's well thought!
Let's see now what we can improve once again. The etb sub-theme you choose to explore is definitely interesting, and as it goes I would suggest you replacing some creature over 4 mana cost (in order to make the Sun Titan even more reliable) with smaller ones with powerful etb effects. You could maybe, for the example, run something like a Bone Shredder, a Fleshbag Marauder, a Shivan Emissary (nice card but it will only trigger if you play it from your hand. The same is true for the Gatekeeper of Malakir, which is not a good idea there as its mana cost it 3B), a Duergar Hedge-Mage, a Ghitu Slinger (meh card though, the Bone Shredder is like...thousand times better), a Tooth Collector (delirium seems complicated to trigger, so I don't know if it could be that great), a Tidehollow Sculler, a Mesmeric Fiend, etc. I will give you further replacement's ideas for some of those.
Speaking of creatures around 3 manas, you could also play Kambal, Consul of Allocation, which is powerful and flavorful in a political meaning. For more cards with a cruel synergy with Mathas, you could even consider playing the Rampaging Ferocidon.
You may give a try to the Panharmonicon, or even to the Conjurer's Closet, if you do some changes this way, but I can't assure you it'll be that effective. The Cloudstone Curio, that I already suggested you in my first message, is certainly better (but a little more expensive), as it combines absurdly well with Tetzimoc, Primal Death and actually better with cards with Echo (if you decide to go for the Shredder).
Another really good option to never run out of removals is the creation of a Sunforger package. It generally consists of playing Mistveil Plains and something like 7-8 targetable removals. If you bought the Markov EDH deck (which contains Mathas), you could add in the Teferi's Protection (absurd and unfun card, but it's just so strong that you'll always appreciate it). I will, if you're ok with investing in just one card, replace Ob Nixilis Reignited with a Scroll Rack. If you plan to go to some Battlebond's drafts, try to get a Land Tax. It's certainly not a necessity if you play in a casual group, but it will give your global deck a lift - Scroll Rack / Land Tax interaction is what makes the Boros decks viable, as you play black in addition to those colours, you should be able to generate an excellent consistency between draw / ramp / control.
As it stands, you play the Rocky Tar Pit with only basic lands tutorizable, so it's basically just an Evolving Wilds that etb tapped. ^^' Smoldering Marsh and Canyon Slough are both affordable and very good for budget decks. If you decide to invest in a Scroll Rack or get the chance to get it by trading, Madblind Mountain is also a nice option as it enables you to re-shuffle a band hand in your library and to draw a brand new one.
A few suggestions (including replacement ideas) :
Duergar Hedge-Mage IN > Cataclysmic Gearhulk OUT (the CG (worst abbreviation of all times) is interesting, but most of the times it will put you in really uncomfortable situations. You play a bunch of artefacts and enchantments, so you'll often end sacrificing too many cards to inverse the course of the game. I understand the idea that it enables you getting rid of your opponents' enchantments/artefacts... but they can choose which one they keep so it's not even that good in the best scenarios.
Bone Shredder IN > Fountain Watch OUT (Having protection for your cards is always great, but the FW feels just way too weak. It's expensive to cast and have a minimal impact on the board state. It doesn't offer you any interaction with your other cards that can justify it... you will just prefer something that offers you more control on the game and which works well with Sun Titan.)
Cloudstone Curio IN > Ambition's Cost OUT (Draw is pretty important in this kind of deck, so why did I chose to cut the Ambition's Cost? It's not a bad card on its own, it's even fairly good tbh, but I feel you just don't need it. With Mathas' ability, Phyrexian Arena (and maybe later Scroll Rack), you're still gonna draw a lot of cards - you won't need it. The Cloudstone provides you with a powerful grip for the late game. Being able to recast your etb tread is just insane.
Scroll Rack IN > Indulgent Tormentor OUT (Again, the Tormentor is not that bad... but it's not that great either. It's slow and understated. Most of the time, your opponent will just pay the 3 life needed, if the Tormentor doesn't die to any blast since then. The Scroll Rack is godlike but I could understand your reluctance about the investment it symbolizes. Go for a Sunforger in this case (honnestyl I'll play both of them in a optimized list).
Land Tax IN > Bonfire of the Damned OUT (The Bonefire is strong, but it only gains a miracle cost if it's the first card you drew this turn. It's not that unreliable but it's still is a bit. I will prefer an effective and sure board clear over it. You will find one just there below ^^)
Fire Covenant IN > Void Winnower OUT (The Winnower is surely a funny card. It's big, it locks a bit the game and gives you the initiative... but I think that in an optimized decklist you just don't need it. It competes for a slot with cards that synergizes better with Mathas, so that's why I would cut it.)
Teferi's Protection IN > Swamp OUT
Terminate is also a powerful card to consider with Mathas, but I can't actually find which card to cut for it. I hope those suggestions will be helpful, let me know how does it evolved and worked out! Have fun brewing, mate. :)
3 weeks ago
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Hello, I'm playing with Indulgent Tormentor since it was printed as uncommon. I believe the list is pretty much optimized but I'm curious about your feedback :)
2 months ago
It's not easy to conciliate the cards you are showing. I tried and i hope i can give you some help. I believe you should try to keep the battlefield clear from your enemy's threats (im thinking of creatures mostly, or do better and study possible decks you might face). In my case i changed the aggro format, to keep more options on sidedeck.
In case you accept this change i imagine you will answer well to your enemy cards, then you can try to cast your cards either from your hand or graveyard. More precisely, these are the creatures i was thinking of: Butcher Ghoul, Dread Wanderer or Gravecrawler; and cast Lord of the Accursed and Indulgent Tormentor with Unburial Rites or some other reanimation card like Exhume or Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip. You can discard these last creatures either with Cryptbreaker or Zombie Infestation (which i think may do better, just try to keep some lands in hand after you have more than 4 lands in play just to keep using the enchantment ability).
I thought of Indulgent Tormentor because you can draw more cards, but you might want to try an hardcore zombie of your preference.
But, for example, if you go against an burn deck with no creature surely would be hard to win.
About maybeboard i thought of Rotting Rats, just because with it you can try to run down your enemy strategy close to zero, however it escapes the tempo of the deck a bit.
Hope i helped, zombies are really fun to play, the possibilities almost never run out. Good luck.
3 months ago
Here is a complete list per Gatherer:
You'll find 199 cards, all Common, and all draw cards.
Just remember not all of these can be used as some have mana symbols outside of your Commander's identity. Hope this helps.
Oh, and one of my personal favorite draw engines is Indulgent Tormentor. Sure he costs 5 and is a creature (Subject to removal), but a 5/3 Flyer that draws unless your opponent self-harms is great.
4 months ago
I feel like with Squire + Toll Collector + Darksteel Myr you're going to give your opponent a hell of a time getting around your slinging capabilities. It also saves you on some color restrictions, too.
I had an old voltron deck where I ran those guys and it worked pretty well. My problem was figuring out a strong enough draw engine to ensure plenty of toys for my boys to play with. I ended up going with Otherworld Atlas, which sometimes backfired when my opponent got cards, too.
Might go Mardu and run black draws, like Indulgent Tormentor. But that's besides the point.
4 months ago
Colten, the problem with Tron is it relies heavily on massive threats that are big and extremely hard to remove in combat. Here's an example. This deck placed 1st at SCG Modern in New Holland.
And what's the problem with this deck? FIVE creatures. Sure, six Walkers too. But you can only have one of each out at a time.
Compare that to this thing. 24 creatures.
This deck will get creatures out more frequently. In many cases, quantity can vastly outweigh quality. Just look at literally any Zombie token deck. 2/2s aren't that impressive but if you've got 10 or 20 or even 200+ of them suddenly you are nearly unstoppable short of boardwipes. And yes, I have a Golgari Zombie Token deck that can pump out 200+ tokens in a single turn using a combination of Liliana, the Last Hope, Endless Ranks of the Dead, and Doubling Season.
My point is, it doesn't matter if your opponent has 2 or 3 big creatures out. If you've got 10, they won't be able to stop you. And, respectfully, I don't care if you have a 100/100 Indestructible / Hexproof monster. If I block with a 1/1 Spirit, I prevented that damage. Trample is vastly underused, IMO.
Shift gears into running removal and you're looking at an even harder time. I've stomped an Elf deck with a Minotaur Tribal that runs a playset of Terminate, Dreadbore, and 3x Unlicensed Disintegration while the spine of the deck is a playset of Felhide Petrifier, Rageblood Shaman, and Neheb, the Worthy along with other staples such as Lord of Shatterskull Pass (When he's Level 6 with Felhide out, bad things happen), Anaba Shaman (Felhide makes him a sharpshooter) and Kragma Warcaller for bonus points. I'm currently redesigning for Angrath and more aggressive disruption.
I've also got a Mono-Black Demon Tribal that's decimated many decks because it forces sacrificing passively. That is to say, creatures such as Indulgent Tormentor and Blighted Fen make it so my creatures and lands also sit in as removal plugs.
Sometimes cheap removal and an army of low-grade creatures is more effective than one single big cannon.
A tank can fire once and it may be devastating, but a constant barrage of shotguns is just as deadly.
Going wide is always a legit option. That's why Abzan works. That's why tokens works.
Never underestimate the power of overwhelming forces.