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Price of Progress
Price of Progress deals 2 damage to each player for each nonbasic land he or she controls.
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Price of Progress Discussion
2 weeks ago
Been fine tuning my Queen Marchesa, Politics & Pillow Forts list recently, really having a hard time nailing the final 3-5 or so cards. I'd love to get your opinion on a couple things / tunings. For knowledge sake, some cards won't work as well in my meta but i'll explain as such in the individual card discussions.
I recently moved into adding some more defense/draw with solitary confinement and necropotence. As far as I'm concerned my 5 most "removable" cards right now are Rakdos Charm, Mortify, Return to Dust, Orzhov Advokist and Underworld Connections. Although the 2 tutors aren't necessarily "the good ones" I'm not gonna be able to spring 30-40$ per single card at this time so i'm sticking with my high mana cost, low monetary cost tutors for now.
Rakdos Charm - One of our players just starting playing boros soldiers, but for the most part, decks tend to be "go tall" over go wide strategies. Only 1 player uses any kind of graveyard recursion (Dragon player with Outpost Siege and a couple other minor recursions, maybe 3-4 cards out of 99 total). So, the most common case is that this is a 2 mana destroy an artifact. Sometimes might be able to make use of damage mode for 5-10 damage on someone with a damage doubler out. Fringe cases where this might just be a huge bomb of damage to opponenets.
Return to Dust - Really i just had this for enchantments. Hammer of nazahn exists in my meta as well, but I feel like with anguished unmaking, (maybe mortify?), utter end, wear/tear i might be covered? 4 mana, destroy 2 scary enchant/artifacts kinda goes against the gameplan of "let them fight" but I gotta protect myself from things like Dragon Tempest
Mortify - big creatures exist in plenty and there's a good number of enchantments i'd love to not see in play if I needed to make them disappear for my own safety's sake.
Orzhov advokist - I love love LOVE this card, but I accept it's not necessarily amazing. It's like a political handshake of "i'll help you if you don't attack me next turn" by force (even if it leaves play, the condition still applies for the rest of the turn). It buffs creatures up around the board, keeps me "safe" (it either lets me know I won't be attacked or if they don't take the counters, it lets me know that something is up, advanced warning system sort of) and the buffed up creatures make for better aikido targets, splashing back even more damage than they would have without the counters :) Just seems like it touches every aspect of the deck in some way.
Underworld connections - it exists as a draw engine, but it's the weakest one in the list for sure (can't compare with necropotence, erebos, phyrexian arena, land tax etc) ... considered swapping this to immortal sun as i don't have any PW's... but this is also not a creature heavy deck, double the mana cost and there are some but not many PW's in my meta. (On average, maybe 1 per deck). Any other card draw engines that might be more effective in it's place?
A couple things I'm wondering about...
I currently have no damage based bomb finisher, I removed Price of Progress from the list because realistically in any given game, I will have the most or 2nd most non basic lands. (I play 16 basic, 1 other player plays 15 as a 5 color deck most others are 25+ basic). My table plays pretty low budget, 100-200$ so a lot of decks are dual colored or extremely basic land heavy. I'm currently considering Exsanguinate and Acidic soil as damage based finishers (outside the aikido package of course) to go alongside Insurrection... but I don't know what to drop for it or if i should drop anything for it. I have mastermind's acquisition which could pull one from outside the game if need be.
Should I try and slot in phyrexian unlife + solemnity for additional defensive layering? Solemnity will find some uses in my meta, but not that many. There's not a ton of counters going around.. there's the cheap Vivid lands, some minor counter stuff in the dragon's deck, and the recently made soldier deck uses Cathars' Crusade and Assemble the Legion. Individually these cards will not shine, but they still count as enchantments for Sphere of Safety and they still kinda do something at least... but then there's the obvious synergies. (Already playing Delaying Shield regardless of this pairs inclusion or not)
I've looked a lot at Vow of Lightning Vow of Malice Vow of Duty with some amount of admiration for fulfilling the deck goals of "make enemies kill enemies better while staying safe myself". However I'm not sure I want enchantments that get wiped out via enemy board clears. (And in the case of vow of lightning and duty, make enemy creatures better at blocking my advances)
Also open to any other suggestions not made here as well. Thanks for your time and considerations as always!
May the queen reign for eternity!
1 month ago
1 month ago
I hate to be the guy to suggest something again, but Wastes are kinda good to have in the deck. Unless you play against people that don't hate on nonbasics. My group has stuff like Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon, and Price of Progress. Sure the blood moon effects aren't that good against you unless you need to cast your commander or anything else that need colorless to cast, but price of progress would absolutely destroy your life total. I'd run a few wastes over some of the more niche utility lands that you're running.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Sterling0528, for most of the development of the deck, I was in a meta that did not have any infinites, because they were considered unfun. It did just as well. It doesn't need infinites at all, and in fact, it runs best when people have aggression, but it comes over several turns all my opponents chip each other down until they are in range for something like Price of Progress or Rakdos Charm. It can handle infinite combo, but it isn't really even optimized to face it well.
1 month ago
Love the reports!
You continue to rave about Loreseeker's Stone - I think I have to test it out at this point! It is no doubt quite powerful.
Humble Defector is undoubtedly a powerhouse, I am actually considering running him in a couple of my Mardu decks at this point, I completely agree the politics of it all are an impressively powerful bonus on the draw.
I also played a game with Neheb this weekend. Ended up winning a 4 player pod, Dakkon Blackblade control, Kruphix, God of Horizons ramp/control, a friend borrowing my The Spirit of Self-Sacrifice Zurgo Helmsmasher piloted Aikido/control list, and myself on Neheb.
Kruphix got out to an early lead with a Seedborn Muse + Capsize lock on the table. I had a ramp heavy hand, doing nothing until turn 4 but landing Thran Dynamo followed by Hedron Archive + Caged Sun. I was identified as the biggest competition for the Kruphix player, who basically just forced me to re-deploy my ramp every turn with his Capsize lock.
At some point I had a miniature explosive turn dropping Neheb + Price of Progress instead of re-deploying ramp, playing Reforge the Soul and praying. I hit support pieces - Lightning Greaves and a few other things. Greaves + Neheb were summarily bounced in that order, setting us back to square 1.
Dakkon player interacted enough to force the Kruphix player to over-extend his own interaction, allowing the Zurgo player to wipe the board with a Blasphemous Act, Kruphix dropped the Capsize shields to save his Seedborn Muse bouncing to hand. I was next and was able to follow up with Neheb plus Lightning Greaves and Acidic Soil, generate big mana, Aggravated Assault and technically go infinite (my meta typically doesn't allow, but we needed the game to end so we called it!)
It was an oppressive game that we all felt was clearly over due to the Kruphix player's dominant early position, but Neheb can truly win from a lot of very behind situations!
2 months ago
I am currently running a variant of your list (without Combos) - having great success and fun multiplayer rounds. Im pretty succesful with Price of Progress - what do you think about even adding Acidic Soil as a consistent source of mass damage? Couple it with Dualcaster Mage, it gets even better.
2 months ago