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Price of Progress
Price of Progress deals 2 damage to each player for each nonbasic land he or she controls.
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Price of Progress Discussion
7 hours ago
Ok, all. I am an idiot. I had a realization in play yesterday that should have been obvious, but I had missed it. Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim was meant to be both Rattle Snake and spot removal, but the deck was not built around it, so she never got going. I focused on the spot removal, and when she was removed from the deck, I replaced it with repeatable creature spot removal, thinking that would at least come close to replacing the value of Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim. What I didn't fully grasp was that the weakness of slow speed of the removal, along with the durability of the removal was the problem, and that Assassins would never be able to make up for this. I was sitting on one of the best removal spells that are available in Queen Marchesa's colors, and I recognized this at least enough to put it into a sideboard slot because I just couldn't cut it all the way. I think I should just put the good spot removal back in, and skip all this getting fancy with creatures for removal BS. Since my Rattle Snake and Pillow Fort defense is already very strong, I am not sure why I am worrying about it so much, especially since I keep strengthening it with the most subtle of subtle Pillow Fort cards like Duelist's Heritage, Slayers' Stronghold, and Key to the City.
Right now, I think I just need to consolidate what I think this deck does best, make sure that I bring enough of both the offense and defense that this deck works off of, ensure that I am optimally countering common deck archetypes in ways that are synergistic with the rest of the deck, and not get distracted with complicated additions.
With that said, I have a sideboard that I have constructed of cards that are meant for tuning this more specifically to different metas, and for including cards for combating common archetypes that my meta does not contain. Even if I don't use this as a common sideboard between games, this is my list of cards to adjust for changing metas as I go between them, likely usually between sessions.
Changes that I plan:
Main Deck changes should be to consolidate the theme of the deck, removing weakness in favor of the strengths.
Stronghold Discipline - Rakdos Charm is a huge part of my offense, and wins a ton of games. Stronghold Discipline is essentially another copy. Unconventional offensive plays are what this deck does best. Consolidate around the deck's strengths.
Utter End - One of the best spot removal spells available. Control is one of the things this deck does best, especially surgical removal. Consolidate around the deck's strengths.
Sideboard changes should compensate for different metas and allow me to combat the weaknesses in the deck with respect to commonly played archetypes that are just not that common in my usual meta. I am OK with unfairly destroying decks in metas that are not my usual meta.
Out: Utter End - Into the Main Deck!
In: Rest in Peace - The best at what it does, kills a lot of combo, storm, spellslinger, value engines, reanimator, etc...
So, what does that leave us with?
Ramp and Fixing: Lots of Ramp and Fixing that is tuned and synergistic with the rest of the deck, as well as a curve that allows us to bring out early big plays. Gift of Estates and Tithe double as card draw late game, and our unconventional manabase is highly synergistic with the rest of the deck.
Draw and Tutoring: Enough Draw and Tutoring to make the deck consistent and holding enough answers for every threat or weakness, without being obtrusive or conventional enough to be obvious about it. Three all star players in this list are Shred Memory, Key to the City, and Sea Gate Wreckage. Uncommon tutors and draw with huge impact in this deck without ringing any danger bells for most players. This suite makes my already versatile card list even more versatile.
Defense: A 25 card subtle and somewhat unconventional Pillow Fort and Rattle Snake defense with a low curve, the potential to be used offensively, and which is synergistic with itself as well as my offense. Back this up with a nice Fog suite, making my defensive wall extend into my hand so as to not have all of it sit on the battlefield to be effective, and bringing it's own offense in the right circumstances. Add to this a control package that is complete with a very strong and versatile spot removal suite, some reactive board wipes that have offensive uses, and multiple cards to allow us to protect our board state, including counterspells in Mardu colors!
Offense: The offense is structured to take advantage of typical board states and the strengths of my opponents with cards that have outsized effect for their costs. It is designed to be huge Aikido bombs against any Big Mana, Big Creature, Big Army, Big Hand, or Big Attack deck. It is structured in pairs of cards for each of these, including Acidic Soil/Price of Progress, Backlash/Delirium, Rakdos Charm/Stronghold Discipline, Sudden Impact/Toil / Trouble, Deflecting Palm/Comeuppance, with Arcbond, Batwing Brume, and Eye for an Eye all reinforcing this array of counterattacks. This reactive offense is backed up with a couple of big bomb offensive attacks in the form of Master of Cruelties and Hatred, a couple of midrange beaters in the form of Serra Ascendant, Gisela, the Broken Blade, and Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, and an army of smaller defensive and utility creatures. Bring in combat tricks and enablers like Duelist's Heritage, Slayers' Stronghold, Key to the City, and Rogue's Passage to act as later game silver bullets, and the offense is quite versatile.
Sideboard: Packed with Combo hate, a counterspell suite of my own for Counterspell and Blue Control hate, Graveyard Antics hate, and extra offense in the form of Dark Depths as an uncounterable big beater and Exsanguinate for big burn.
In all, I think I am pretty satisfied with where the deck now sits, and will likely consider this list to basically be the core deck. Testing will confirm, I think I have chased down all the areas that needed shored up, and I feel like this is, at the moment, a completed list.
1 week ago
Exactly. I find these cards that allow me to assist in other people's attacks to be very political. Duelist's Heritage is an all star, and very much behaves as a Pillow Fort card and an offensive card all at once. Slayers' Stronghold will likely be nowhere near as powerful, but it could be a similar effect. I would put Rogue's Passage into the same category, if used correctly.
I have a stack of cards in my deckbox with Painful Truths, Read the Bones, Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, and Browbeat for play testing. I already run Toil / Trouble. I will be curious to see if they do what I want. As it stands, consistency is not really an issue, the deck runs very consistently. I just need the ability to get out from under the squeeze of a Solitary Confinement that I don't want to let go. I already put in the draw spell with the greatest draw potential, which is Damnable Pact, and it also has the added bonus of potential for a burn to the face if I need to use it that way. Sign in Blood is a micro version of this. I will try out Painful Truths next. If I had the room in the deck, I would run all of them, since I get the feeling that together they would be much more powerful than each is alone, and I would consider the red cantrips as well, including Browbeat for the blast to the face potential. As it stands, I am not sure what I would want to replace to fit them all into the deck. If I went that way, I would also consider Spellshock and Price of Progress maindeck, as well as Spiteful Visions, for the added synergy of using them on my opponents as pseudo burn. If I went that way, I would be veering hard into a Punisher archetype and would potentially upset my lay low strategy. Not sure I want to go that way.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Last of the suggestions. Again I know it's a lot but i wanted t show that you have options and point out what some of them were:
3 weeks ago
Ok for 2 platers you can afford to get a bit more aggressive. This may sound obvious but you are going to want to unload the 20 damage you need to win as quickly as possible. To that end there are 2 things to keep in mind:
1) keep cmc low: cards like Grave Betrayal are nice but at 7 mana your opponents life total should be relatively low and you would rather have direct damage or more creatures to finish them off. Cards like Vile Requiem that arent useful into late game are also iffy
2) your life total is irrelavent. The longer the game goes on the less likely aggressive decks will win. As such don't fell bad about paying some life.
here are cheap creatures to beat face with: Carnophage, Diregraf Ghoul, Firedrinker Satyr, Goblin Guide, Jackal Pup, Vampire Lacerator, Rakdos Cackler, Ash Zealot, Bloodghast, Blood Scrivener, Crimson Muckwader, Dark Confidant, Dauthi Slayer, Hellspark Elemental, Keldon Marauders, Rakdos Shred-Freak,Spike Jester, Young Pyromancer, Shambling Remains, Hell's Thunder, Anathemancer. I'm not saying you need to include all those cards but cards like that are nice. I's worth noting that they are efficient for their mana cost which is where aggressive decks want to be. The game plan can be attacking with cheap creatures and finishing them off with burn.
This means you want your lands to be able to come in untapped. assuming you don't want to buy a Badlands, there are still other lands that can tap for both colors and come in utapped like Blood Crypt, Dragonskull Summit, Blackcleave Cliffs, Sulfurous Springs. If you have in your deck the fetchlands (Bloodstained Mire/Polluted Delta/Wooded Foothills/Verdant Catacombs/Marsh Flats/Arid Mesa/Scalding Tarn) you can always fetch for your one-of blood crypt.
Burst Lightning is a strictly better shock.
Sorry if this was long but I hope this helped. I think your deck is a good start but just needs to be a bit faster.
1 month ago
After some playtesting, I think I went the wrong direction with my latest changes. Grave Consequences was a total waste. The Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck deftly played around it like it wasn't there. Each card he wanted to keep only cost him one life, and the rest of them he just let go. The player appreciated my change, but that was too much. I added Shred Memory and will consider Samurai of the Pale Curtain as an alternate but easier to take out Rest in Peace. I may also try Stonecloaker for repeatable grave hate. I can put in the lesser cards than Rest in Peace because I was asked to play nicer, but expecting to play a crazy graveyard based deck, then asking for people to not play any graveyard hate is a little much. Shred Memory is also an uncounterable tutor for a large number of really important spells, so will never be a dead draw. Samurai of the Pale Curtain is vulnerable to spot removal or wrath effects, so he can play around it if he faces it.
Citadel of Pain in my meta has been less than helpful. There is less of a non-basic land base than some metas, and there are fewer reactive or control decks, so a lot of lands are tapped, and it often gets 2-3 damage per turn, and I get hit as well. Not what I had hoped. I was going to try Price of Progress, but the dominance of 2 color decks makes this of limited value, and I get it worse than most. I may change focus a little with that slot and put in Toil / Trouble. The modal nature of this spell makes it never a dead draw, and hitting someone for a full hand may accomplish the same thing as I had planed for Citadel of Pain, but also expand who I can hit with it. I have also considered Sudden Impact for the same effect, but I want to see if the modal nature of Toil / Trouble makes it more valuable than the instant speed and Sunforger tutorable nature of Sudden Impact. We shall see. Due to the smaller number of control or reactive decks means that Grand Abolisher is less than helpful most of the time, and so may get the axe soon as well.
I am sort of on the fence with Slumbering Dragon. It is hard to tell how much that one is working. It may be, but it actually never works out to be a wincon. It is strictly a Rattlesnake and spot removal bait. We shall see if another wincon catches my eye for playtesting in that slot.
Wheel of Fortune has been one that I find I rarely play when I have it. As a reactive deck, I often have cards that sit in my hand until I find the right time to play them. Wheel of Fortune is counter to the strategy of holding cards for when they will be most effective. I am looking for alternatives if people have suggestions. I want large card draw all at once for little mana that doesn't require me to dump all my cards. Please speak up if you have a suggestion.
I am always looking for amazing wincons that fit the theme of this deck. Cards that attack people for specializing or overreaching with common strategies, things that attack people for doing things that all decks do, or symmetrical damage that is outsized compared to the mana investment. Damage that is not dependent on connecting with an attack is best.
I may also bring in Felidar Sovereign. An alternate wincon is always good to have, and one that supports itself but is also synergistic with the rest of the deck is perfect. Another lifelinker for Hatred is also welcome.
Anyone who sees something I have missed that would fit here should also feel free to suggest things. As people who have followed this deck know, this is an evolving deck. It will continue to evolve as I tune it.