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Creature — Spirit Cleric
Sacrifice Remorseful Cleric: Exile all cards from target player's graveyard.
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Remorseful Cleric Discussion
11 hours ago
You can pay 4 life to make Vanguard indestructible this protects him from taking the 3 damage that Clarion does to all creatures. Clarion can also give all your creatures lifelink. Attacking with Vanguard after wiping the board them gains you 3 life back of the 4 life you spent to make Vanguard indestructible. Vanguard's ability to protect itself from a lot of the best removal in Standard for only the cost of life is very good right now when Ravenous Chupacabra is everywhere. The two drop tandem of Knight of Grace and Adanto Vanguard is excellent when against Chupacabra because both can be protected from it's ETB ability. Clarion is a good spell when playing Aurelia and Ajani.
Boros Angels is one of the best decks in current Standard, it's also $500, but it's good because of Angels (Lyra, Shalai, Resplendent and Aurelia), Knights (Grace and History), Vanguard/Clarion combo and Lyra/Resplendent combo not because of mentor. Which is not a competitive ability other than Aurelia, but not playing Aurelia for her mentor, playing her because she's busted with Lyra and her ability even the same turn you play her to give a creature you control +2/0 is great as well as vigilance or trample is nice.
For your current deck which is less about Angels and more about other creatures consider streamlining? Two drops, History, Clarion, Aurelia and Ajani.
Consider this example:
- 4x Vanguard
- 4x Grace
- 4x Boros Challenger
- 2x Remorseful Cleric (more in the sideboard)
- 3x Aurelia
- 2x Lyra
- 3x Ajani
- 4x History
- 4x Lightning Strike
- 3x Clarion
Lava Coil and Justice Strike can go in the sideboard.
Ajani is very good right now with Boros because he can reanimate good two drops who can stop Golgari's graveyard nonsense, Remorseful Cleric and Tocatli Honor Guard. Ajani provides some resiliency for Boros with both his +1 and -2 abilities therefore lots of two drops works very well with him.
Good luck with your deck.
2 days ago
Hey Melanthios, wow, perfect winning records in all three events great job; I'm honestly surprised. I know this version of the deck is good, but not losing at all to Golgari is amazing. You're right about Loxodon he can be clunky and really requires a curve out to be good. This version can be aggressive with a good curve out into Loxodon, but most of the time it falls into midrange which makes Loxodon less effective. I also agree that Collector without Loxodon is not as good. Loxodon is the reason I'm playing Collector because on curve it can make Collector a very good creature, but if I don't draw Loxodon then Collector is subpar even with a curve out of Collector into Thorn into Champion. I've cut Collector from my Golgari version. Even though I'm playing Glowspore Shaman and Plaguecrafter who are both quite good at pumping Collector.
You're thinking of playing Benalish Marshal and Steel Leaf Champion in the same deck? I think this is a mistake and will strain the manabase too much with 7-8x Forests. Ajani is hard enough to cast. He's really the reason I included Flower; one mana to search of a Plains or Forest is good. Flourish is nice as a pump, but six mana is a lot for +2/+2. If you want a pump for Elves to be better against red then consider Radiant Destiny or Pride of Conquerors? Both these cards can be reliably cast on curve and are low enough mana cost to play one of them before Goblin Chainwhirler.
You're records are great, unfortunately I'm not having as much success with Selesnya; I'm having more success with Golgari. I'm going to be changing this deck soon to Golgari. A preview is Elves of the Swarm (GRN). The problem in Standard right now is there's too much creature removal, so many options. Selesnya just folds when facing a lot of removal especially against Deafening Clarion (Boros Angels, Jeskai Control) and Ritual of Soot (Esper Control, Grixis Control, Golgari). Golgari provides resiliency against removal where as Selesnya doesn't. Ajani's reanimation is great in Selesnya with Elves for recovery, but Golgari has many other options including a damn Elf who can recur any one permanent.
Golgari Findbroker, Find / Finality and The Eldest Reborn these are not just single cards that can recur other cards they can be engines. The fact that Findbroker can recur a Planeswalker is so good for recovery and value. Planeswalkers, Duress, Plaguecrafter, Reborn and even Underrealm Lich or Carnage Tyrant gives Golgari many tools against control.
The point of Golgari is to out card advantage your opponent which with the current pool of cards can be done and it's quite powerful. Ravenous Chupacabra and Plaguecrafter help a ton at doing this because they're versatile removal spells which can be recurred since they're creatures. You're right Lava Coil is a pain in the ass removal spell to play against, but even though it exiles I care less about 1 for 1 removal when playing Findbroker and Find. Unless my opponent draws 3-4 Coils then this card alone is not going to stop me from playing more creatures then my opponent. If he's not exiled being able to recur Steel Leaf Champion is very good in Golgari.
I'm sorry I'm changing my deck so much, but we are still in the early stages of Guilds of Ravnica Standard. I think it's great you're using this deck as inspiration for decks you're actually playing at tournaments and I don't want to discourage you, but have to expect that some versions are just not right at the current time. There are so many good options for Elves right now in Standard that finding the right one and being able to stick with it is difficult.
3 days ago
First off, really appreciate the feedback!
Birthing Pod is a remanant of the original deck when I was going heavy stax focus, but I feel its just too good to cut. Sacing derevi for the many 4 drop utility creatures over and over again is unreplaceable as a toolbox card. Sacking the mana dorks for 2 drop hatebears was also very good. Since the transform, I got rid of alot of cards because I would be killed first "kill the stax player". I don't play in a heavy competitive meta but there are some shenanigans that go on and even light stax is more of a threat than someone comboing off, bad threat assessment in my eyes but I guess its the stigma of a stax deck. Since I'm not going that build anymore, I don't have the 1 drop dorks since this deck is already fragile to board wipes/ping damage and there's no need to drop as many stax pieces as quickly as possible. Now I just run more utility lands and having turn 1 green is not consistent enough.
The hatebears that stayed are the ones that have flying, aka Aven Mindcensor/Trygon Predator/Windborn Muse etc... Having a mass amount of flyers is like you said, just fuel for derevi triggers! Thank you for Remorseful Cleric, did not know that card existed.
As for those storage lands, saw those in your deck and will try them out next time I play and see how they do.
Personally, I'm not a fan of running many tutors, pod and evolution are enough. Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive is bonkers and is something to also try. Would be an auto include if running mana dorks but I explained why those aren't in anymore.
Sigil Tracer lets you copy your opponents spells, Opposition might end up getting the boot. Scavenging Ooze is a mana sink that becomes a good threat, but with Remorseful Cleric he might get replaced, just need to test to know for sure. Give Mirror Entity a try, having a few flyers in the air with a entity can straight up kill someone, its pretty strong when you go wide.
3 days ago
I think your deck looks fine. Some of the best cards in your deck are Duelist's Heritage, Faerie Artisans, and Birthing Pod. Duelist's Heritage is like a better propoganda in my opinion, because it still incentives your opponents to attack elsewhere because they get more damage in and they think it was their idea. Faerie Artisans is fantastic because a ton of creatures in EDH have valuable ETB triggers, and also produces value outside of your GWU colors. Birthing Pod is the probably the best card in an optimized deck. I've seen a BUG deck built around it, and a cEDH deck built around it and Blood Moon. I've also seen the top voted Derevi decks on tappedout use Birthing Pod and Yisan Wandering Bard, so it's extremely popular. I think it's because those pilots have early stax pieces and ramp pieces like Arbor Elf, Ethersworn Canonist, etc. So if you're considering making your deck more competitive, I would add tutors/protection for Birthing Pod, and more 1-drop elves that can also make Derevi triggers by attacking, but I think your ramp pieces are fine. It's a good thing that you're pretty much done setting up with ramp pieces at turn 2.
I know you're concerned about more hatebears and stax, but I think Derevi is the commander that can properly pull it off. Derevi can be reliably cast for four mana and not be countered, and you already have some counterspells to stop any board wipes so you would've have to replace many cards to protect them. I still didn't have the stax theme in my Derevi deck for the aforementioned reasons, and because Winter Orb is not permitted in the casual EDH social contract haha, so I wouldn't be the person to talk to for that. And by glancing at your deck, I don't think Mirror Entity is good, but I do think Loyal Drake and Aven Mindcensor are good. Mirror Entity is fine because Derevi can pull off big mana plays and favors a wide combat strategy, but creature has to already deal damage for Derevi to trigger, so all the Derevi-supported mana can't go through Mirror Entity like I assume you want it to. Aven Mindcensor is great for obvious reasons and is evasive. Loyal Drake is a practically a Phyrexian Arena but on a body, and favors a commander that can be reliably cast I like the touch of graveyard hate you put in with Scavenging Ooze, so I thought I should also mention Remorseful Cleric which is evasive. Also consider Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive, especially if you're including the 1-drop elves. I don't see the value in having Opposition because the commander can be reliably cast. I think Sigil Tracer is also a weaker card, because although you can always cast a wizard (Derevi), it only supports 14 spells, and only 6 spells if you take away counterspells and board wipes. Bident of Thassa is fantastic in your deck, especially because it clears the combat map. Your manabase looks fine too, and I thought I should mention Tolaria West, Saltcrusted Steppe, and Calciform Pools, because mana storage in Derevi is great. I hope this helps!
1 week ago
Hi! First of all, I love the concept of the deck! I saw an instant deck tech for Modern with Bojuka Bog and I thought "Man! I wish we had something like that in Standard". I did not think of the Remorseful Cleric, that's awesome!
Also I think Knight of Autumn is probably OK to put in the Main deck, specially since (as noted by another comment) Conclave Tribunal only hits an opponent's target. Worst case scenario, it destroys something on the other side. Or gains you life against red. Or it kills your opponent quite faster than the base 2/1. That card just does everything you want! hahaha :D
1 week ago
Hmmm, seems a bit dated, but otherwise alright. If you ever think about upgrading this deck with new cards I'd greatly recommend swapping out Bone Shredder and Nekrataal respectively with Banewhip Punisher and Ravenous Chupacabra as they both can remove all creatures rather than non-black creatures. Agent of Erebos should be swapped out for Remorseful Cleric as the sacrifice effect makes it more interactive and it's also cheaper to hard-cast. Pain Seer should also be swapped with Twilight Prophet, as the prophet's evasion makes it easier to survive combat and you don't need to attack to gain it's effect as well as it gains life instead of losing it. Just those cards listed would be a direct upgrade for this deck.
1 week ago
Stazee I understand that I can still sacrifice it in response to it trying to get killed. Was just saying that I'd prefer an artifact against certain decks as there is not a lot of artifact removal in standard, especially due to the loss of abrade. But I will see how Remorseful Cleric works in testing.
1 week ago
I'm curious if Conclave Cavalier is performing well for you. If it's not performing that well b/c of the mana strain you could take them out for your 3 Knight of Autumn and free up 3 more spots sideboard.
Also I feel like you want to be maximizing your green and white mana sources based on the direction you took the deck, and just splashing for black. Maybe something like: 4x Temple Garden 4x Sunpetal Grove 3x Forest 5x Plains 1x Swamp 4x Isolated Chapel 3x Woodland Cemetery That gives you 17 white sources, 14 green sources, and 8 black sources compared to your current: 13 white, 14 green, 9 black (not including unclaimed territory). It should allow you to play History of Benalia on curve much better without hurting your early green plays.