|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Masters 25 (A25)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Sorin vs. Tibalt (DDK)||Uncommon|
|Premium Deck Series: Fire and Lightning (PFL)||Uncommon|
|Time Spiral "Timeshifted" (TSB)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
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Any player may have Browbeat deal 5 damage to him or her. If no one does, target player draws three cards.
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3 days ago
Goblin lore isn't better card draw unless you are regularly casting from the graveyard, like with Hellspark Elemental or w/e. Its not good here.
Personally, I much prefer Browbeat to exquisite firecraft, as immunity to counterspells isn't super relevant in my meta (people prefer to just jam more hand disruption 90% of the time).
I'd give some thought to making it a budget U/R variant, running Ghitu Lavarunner Stormchaser Mage and Delver of Secrets Flip for Wizard's Lightning. A stable manabse is fairly simple without fetches (there are several examples on the site), and it lets you skip the set of Lava Spike, cutting the cost by a fair amount.
1 week ago
Oh and Browbeat great suggestion awesome card gotta love that.
1 week ago
I highly reccomend Grim Lavamancer, as it adds a lot of range to RDW.
Doublecast is a great spell, and when run alongside Howl of the Horde or similar, you can jam a lot of lightning bolts into a single turn. The big problem is that unless you are running a combo list and spending 6-8 mana, it will always deal less damage than Lava Spike. Reverberate has some added utility in copying your opponents spells, but its not exactly reliable. If you go this route, you want Insult.
Sideboard Skullcrack or Flames of the Blood Hand. Four of. You will need them. There are better guides to RDW out there that can lead you through sideboarding, but it basically boils down to the split between lifegain hate, graveyard hate and artifact hate, as well as ways to play around Leyline of Sanctity.
2 weeks ago
Hello everyone! Thanks for the comments and upvotes! Been away at a summer camp all summer so I have a lot to catch up on!
Onigma Good thoughts and questions!
The ramp helps. The deck relies a lot on F&S so I want them out ASAP, and all the ramp helps with the recastablility of my commander as well. Then the ramp can help fuel my X-spells when Neheb or T-Ogre aren't around, insuring I don't have a dead X-Spell in my hand.
My deck is built this way intentionally. Mainly because I want to utilize Sunforger to the max. It's risky because the deck isn't as effective as it could be, but man when I equip Sunforger with RW open, I can take over the game.
I like the incremental lifegain because it buys me time to find my big bombs. It stabilizes my life total even after early aggression, allowing me to live into the late game to recast my commander and then play a big X-spell.
Thanks for the thoughts! I liked your deck :)
Eklipse87 All great cards that have been cut to make room for other things. The Paradox Engine + Isochron Scepter combo I'm still trying to figure out if I like and what to cut for it.
FiddlerTheDrum good cards, but too expensive. I'm pretty content with my ramp and draw at the moment.
Aerugo Thanks for all the ideas!
- Radiate is a pet card :) and I don't have the scepter in yet...
- Mind's Eye is just sub par in my opinion. I'm content with the draw I have currently
- Grand Abolisher is nice but I don't need him for my meta
- Ghirapur Orrery Is a no. Can't help my opponents like that. And I'm rarely hellbent due to good draw and conservative playing of instant speed removal, fogs, and redirects.
- Kher Keep is nice I'll consider it!
- Mana Tithe and Silence just aren't really my style :)
Glad you could find some inspiration! Thank you!
Oh hello thijmnesoy! Yes this deck is very similar to Neheb! I love both but Neheb will always be my baby :)
2 weeks ago
I like the Neheb + Torment idea, cute synergy. Death's Shadow feels a little weak in this shell without any ways to hurt yourself, have you considered another threat, like Monastery Swiftspear? Synergizes well with all your burn. You could also use some hand attack spells like Thoughtseize, or Inquisition of Kozilek if you're on a budget. Browbeat seems like a great card at face value, but the fact that your opponent can choose whatever is best for them makes it a little lackluster in practice. Consider replacing it with Sign in Blood - has the extra burn reach if you need it, draws you cards when you don't. Kolaghan's Command, Terminate, and Dreadbore could definitely fit in this shell too.
Whatever you decide to go with, good luck and have fun!
2 weeks ago
lukas96 imperial Recruiter and the phyrexian see a ton of play in casual settings and recruiter is really old so that's part of where its price comes from. And how did this go from talking about Browbeat to Vexing Devil
2 weeks ago
Anyway I'd have to agree that both cards are typically suboptimal for a top tier competitive burn deck because they do give your opponent a choice. I think it's unfair to either card to say that they're bad or unplayable because they're not. They both present lose-lose situations to your opponent which is never "bad" but sometimes your opponent is in a position where one of the "lose" scenarios doesn't matter enough. For Browbeat they may be in a position where they have life to spare, taking the damage and then winning. Sometimes they'll be in a position where they give you the cards knowing they'll win anyway.
For Vexing Devil it's pretty similar. They may have life to spare so you lose. Or they may have a removal spell so they just 1 for 1'd with you (not such a bad deal, Goblin Guide and Monastery Swiftspear die to all the same spells). So the bad scenarios are either being in an irrecoverably bad game position or a 1 for 1, with the worst case being that you cut Rift Bolt for Vexing Devil and you lose with them at 3 life.
Vexing Devil in combination with Claim is a very powerful and fun synergy. Vexing Devil isn't bad in a vacuum, it's just not, and Claim should never be in a deck where it can only reanimate a single powerful creature. It might not break the format but it will win you games.
I think I just summarized the long and heated discussion above but here are my final thoughts: Browbeat is a known card that is generally unplayed in top tier burn decks but could easily find a home in yours. I'd recommend 1-2 copies but if 4 works for you then stick with what you like, especially in a budget deck.
And also Vexing Devil is good.