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Creature — Sliver
Sliver creatures you control have lifelink. *(Damage dealt by a Sliver creature you control also causes you to gain that much life.) *
itachi5464 on First Is The Best! (An EDH First Sliver Deck)
9 months ago
Deck looks good, I'd think of adding these in: Realmwalker Descendants' Path Syphon Sliver Triumph of the Hordes
MagicMarc on 5color Sliver
11 months ago
I don't agree about Jodah, Archmage Eternal or Fist of Suns. I think both of those cards actually hurt your deck instead of help it. Your mana costs are not high enough for replacing them with WUBRG. Neither of those cards brings what Morophon, the Boundless does to the table. I would dump Fist of Suns for Fellwar Stone or something like Cryptolith Rite. Even Birds of Paradise or something similar is a way better card for this deck than either of those. I would dump Winged Boots for Lightning Greaves. Haste is better than flying and shroud is better than ward.
You have way too few slivers in your deck to "Swarm" anyone. Let alone a table full of opponents. Your deck also has a lot of cards that are targeted creature removal. I would dump a lot of that removal for adding quality slivers that provide removal or create removal for you. Take a hard look at your sorceries and instants and see if there is a sliver that does the same thing. Then replace that card with the appropriate sliver. You also need more card advantage to refill your hand once you start slamming slivers down. You can combo using your mana slivers, Intruder Alarm and cards like Vanquisher's Banner. With those cards in play, every time you cast a sliver you will draw a card and untap your slivers which can let you chain through your library in no time.
For more card advantage and more slivers I would suggest the looking to add some of the following depending on your budget; Herald's Horn, Icon of Ancestry, Cryptic Gateway, Descendants' Path, Guardian Project, Kindred Discovery, and The Great Henge. Since you don't have Sliver Queen you can make more slivers with Maskwood Nexus or Birthing Boughs. Realmwalker is another great card. Adding 4-6 of some of these will really speed your deck up.
Good slivers to replace sorceries, instants or land you take out:
Necrotic Sliver, Essence Sliver, Two-Headed Sliver, Fury Sliver, Belligerent Sliver, Galerider Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver, Venom Sliver, Syphon Sliver, Diffusion Sliver, Hibernation Sliver, Brood Sliver, Crypt Sliver, Blur Sliver, Opaline Sliver, Toxin Sliver, Tempered Sliver.
You don't have to use all of these but some of them are insanely good like Necrotic Sliver. You don't need any removal spells if you have a bunch of slivers and this one in play.
Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg
1 year ago
Indeed it’s been awhile since you commented, glad to hear from you. Thank you for bringing these cards onto my radar, let’s discuss them - I can easily tell that Survival of the Fittest would dramatically change the way the deck plays – with Survival of the Fittest + Dregscape Sliver on the board, access to at least 3 mana, 1 creature in hand, and at least an additional I can combo out and win the game on that turn. The only drawbacks I can see here are the mana requirements coupled with the more than likely opponent interaction that would be coming my way. Given that Dregscape Sliver’s ability is only sorcery speed – that only solidifies my concern as A simple Bojuka Bog could wreck me If I do not populate my graveyard with care and proper timing. This makes me wish that Paradox Engine wasn’t banned – I really miss that card. The verdict is out on Survival of the Fittest, I want to like to this card but I can’t help but feel hesitant in including it (let alone the investment). I think I’ll maybe proxy it in and see where that takes me. Speaking which, check out this really awesome alter:
Survival of the Fittest Sliver Alter Show
Dregscape Sliver on the other hand I’m considering including. Maybe cutting Patriarch's Bidding, as I do not like the mana investment and the potential added bonus of assisting opponents. In the metas I play in there are a lot of tribal decks – I’m sitting across from at least one or two other tribal decks every game. I’m ordering a copy today, so thank you for mentioning that card again.
Hi Sneuxfox (death by Snu snu?),
Welcome to my deck page! Thank you for posting. I’ve always wanted to work Magma Sliver into this decklist, but I don’t think it would be a good fit – Magma lends itself toward a Sliver deck that compliments a more Aggro strategy where the goal is to hit a “critical mass” of creatures and abuse enough evasion keywords to get a single creature to knock an opponent out. First Sliver's Chosen would be an absolute must include alongside Magma Sliver, as it would solidify a Voltron strategy by stacking Exalted triggers alongside Magma’s ability. I definitely agree that the aforementioned can get out hand when you have just one Sliver be the target of multiple triggers.
I agree that it's criminal that Magma doesn't make it's way into alot of lists, maybe it's due to most decks wanting to lean into the Mid-range Sliver tool box? Or maybe it's because the deck would need to be more Voltron centric? I decided to throw together a quick decklist as an example of what I think the average deck running Magma Sliver would look like:
Budget Aggro Sliver Decklist Show
- Sliver Hivelord CMDR
- Magma Sliver
- First Sliver's Chosen
- Bonescythe Sliver
- Brood Sliver
- Cloudshredder Sliver
- Crystalline Sliver
- Galerider Sliver
- Gemhide Sliver
- Harmonic Sliver
- Heart Sliver
- Hibernation Sliver
- Horned Sliver
- Manaweft Sliver
- Necrotic Sliver
- Quick Sliver
- Sedge Sliver
- Sentinel Sliver
- Shifting Sliver
- Sliver Legion
- Syphon Sliver
- Striking Sliver
- The First Sliver
- Venom Sliver
- Dregscape Sliver
- Synapse Sliver
- Hollowhead Sliver
- Homing Sliver
- Spiteful Sliver
- Arcane Signet
- Shared Animosity
- Chromatic Lantern
- Demonic Tutor
- Eladamri's Call
- Phyrexian Reclamation
- Grim Tutor
- Urza's Incubator
- Herald's Horn
- Nature's Lore
- Patriarch's Bidding
- Vanquisher's Banner
- Sol Ring
- Sylvan Library
- Three Visits
- Winds of Change
- Sylvan Tutor
- Worldly Tutor
- Skyshroud Claim
- Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip
- Anguished Unmaking
- Assassin's Trophy
- Beast Within
- Cyclonic Rift
- Mystic Confluence
- Dovin's Veto
- Merciless Eviction
- Path to Exile
- Ruinous Ultimatum
- Nature's Claim
- Blasphemous Act
- Swan Song
- Swords to Plowshares
- Spectator Seating
- Smoldering Marsh
- Indatha Triome
- Rocky Tar Pit
- Breeding Pool
- Training Center
- City of Brass
- Command Tower
- Flood Plain
- Gemstone Mine
- Hallowed Fountain
- Llanowar Wastes
- Mana Confluence
- Vault of Champions
- Rejuvenating Springs
- Savai Triome
- Bad River
- Canopy Vista
- Scalding Tarn
- Prairie Stream
- Steam Vents
- Cinder Glade
- Zagoth Triome
- Raugrin Triome
- Underground River
- Sunken Hollow
- Verdant Catacombs
- Ketria Triome
- Watery Grave
- Mountain Valley
- Yavimaya Coast
What're your thoughts on the list, Sneuxfox ?
multimedia on Slivers
1 year ago
Hey, who's the Commander of your deck? That matters when you trying to restrict the budget.
There's four choices here Sliver Overlord , The First Sliver , Sliver Hivelord and Sliver Legion . In my opinion Overlord and First Sliver are better Commanders than Hivelord and Legion. First Silver is the least expensive price Commander option because it's been reprinted in Modern Horizons 2 meaning in the coming weeks it's going to go down in price even more. You have Hibernation Sliver and Quick Sliver which are busted with First Sliver when it's Commander.
If Overlord isn't the Commander than it's a fine cut to make due to the budget restrictions because Overlord is much less powerful when it's part of the 99 than when it's Commander. Using First Silver as Commander and cutting Overlord opens up a lot more budget for the rest of the deck such as adding Syphon Sliver to abuse Hibernation. Hivelord and Legion are good with First Sliver as Commander because with cascade you can get a lot of Slivers on the battlefield which both these help with attacking Slivers. If Sliver win condition combos are something you want to assemble then Overlord is the better Commander.
In the editor in the section where you can add cards to the decklist find the Sliver who's the Commander and type CMDR after it's text.
The First Sliver *CMDR*
Some budget Slivers upgrades to consider:
- Manaweft Sliver : another Gemhide.
- Amoeboid Changeling : if playing Overlord as Commander.
- Necrotic Sliver
- Pulmonic Sliver : Slivers that die go to the top of your library to then be cast with cascade.
- Crypt Sliver
- Mirror Entity : combine it with Gemhide/Manawelf + Sentinel to make huge Sliver attacks.
- Winged Sliver
- Striking Sliver
After you've chosen your Commander and if interested in any of these suggestions than I offer more advice including cuts to consider and budget manabase options. Good luck with your deck.
BRAZATO on All hail...The Overlord
1 year ago
Doombeard1984 Thanks for sharing your deck! Although I've been collecting slivers for a long time, I'm still learning about how to use them in EDH. (I'm happy you also visited my deck, thanks!)
Loved your Intruder Alarm inclussion, I think I should try it in my deck!
By the way, what do you think about this packcage?:
-> Morophon, the Boundless + Hibernation Sliver + The First Sliver (wich you already play). I have this combination in my deck not as a real infinite combo but as another finisher sinergy: With Morophon, the Boundless you can play The First Sliver free, getting cascade, and returning it to your hand with Hibernation Sliver by paying life. You'll get a <4CMC cascade trigger every time you repeat this by payign 2 life, but playing a big part of your deck, probably reaching Lavabelly Sliver and Syphon Sliver , obtaining an infinite way of gaining 2 life to infinitely bounce an sliver and play it free with Morophon until your opponents die with the Lavabelly damage. Reaching Intruder Alarm and Mana Echoes I supose it also could reach an infinite mana path too. I know there are better combos using The Queen, I just play this one as a diferent one and taking advantage I personally play The First Sliver as commander.
multimedia on Slivers
2 years ago
Hey, good start and nice Legion foil pull! Obviously you have to finish the manabase and you should really do that before you make any other changes. That being said here's some Sliver upgrades to consider:
- Manaweft Sliver --> Enduring Sliver
- Quick Sliver --> Scuttling Sliver
- Shifting Sliver --> Lymph Sliver
- Crystalline Sliver --> First Sliver's Chosen
- Winged Sliver --> Reflex Sliver
- Crypt Sliver --> Poultice Sliver
- Bonescythe Sliver --> Bonesplitter Sliver
- Hibernation Sliver --> Cleaving Sliver
- Striking Sliver --> Lancer Sliver
- Sentinel Sliver --> Bladeback Sliver
- Venom Sliver --> Cautery Sliver
- Syphon Sliver --> Watcher Sliver
- Horned Sliver --> Battering Sliver
- Mirror Entity --> Might Sliver
- Realmwalker --> Sidewinder Sliver
Quick is very good with cascade, casting Slivers at instant speed.
What's your budget for the manabase? Would you like some advice on the manabase? Good luck with your deck.
2 years ago
I would throw in Sliver Queen, Coat of Arms, Belligerent Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver,Lavabelly Sliver, Sliver Hivelord, Sliver Legion, Sliver Overlord, and Syphon Sliver. I would remove a lot of the slivers that give other slivers an ability that costs 2 mana to activate.
Inigmatix on Sliver in my Thumb
3 years ago
Starting from the Premium Deck is a pretty good place to begin crafting slivers and it's what I did myself and have been playing slivers for a number of years now.
Now for quite a lot of suggestions and thoughts that I hope will be helpful for you
You really don't need Mana Reflection in slivers or most other decks for that matter. It's really a "win more" kind of card and if you're doing well enough that you have the 6 mana to burn on it you're probably better off just dumping more slivers into play or tutoring for slivers that will allow you to win the game with your Sliver Overlord. If you're using it to go infinite and win with Sliver Queen then your Mana Echoes will provide the same effect for that combo but either of the 4-cost token doublers can also work. Anointed Procession Parallel Lives
You also don't really need bombs like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, when you can spend less mana on more creatures that generate more value, putting 11 mana into a single creature will feel kind of bad. Also, a 10/10 among a board of 20/20 unblockable, vigilant, double striking, lifelink, flying, deathtouch, trample, etc. creatures isn't going to provide much of a bonus, it actually ends up being less of a threat than the rest of your board. Plus, if it gets countered, you’re down 11 mana whereas if somebody counters a sliver then you’re down like 2-4 mana and can still play more slivers.
Mycosynth Lattice opens up your entire board to artifact removal (including your lands) you may want to reconsider this include as it doesn't really provide any benefit to you for all the risk that comes with it.
Sensei's Divining Top may not be as useful in a deck where you have as many tutors as you do and your commander can tutor all your value pieces since you’ll probably be shuffling your deck a lot.
Amulet of Vigor doesn’t actually do that much for you, out of all your permanents there is only one that always enters tapped, Vesuva. With the number of shock and check lands you run, you probably do not need this and can use this slot for something else. (I get that it also works with Cryptic Gateway but without a source for card draw, you’ll run out of slivers to play quite quickly anyway)
Crystalline Sliver turns off any and all "target sliver" abilities like Crypt Sliver and Magma Sliver (You also won’t be able to steal things with Overlord). If you find yourself subject to frequent spot removal and need to bring Crystalline out often to protect your Slivers you can at least keep the regenerate ability with Clot Sliver or Sedge Sliver
Harmonic Sliver can potentially ruin your infinite Token Queen combo as the pieces that enable that combo are all artifacts/enchantments and this sliver’s ETB is not a ‘may’ ability. You must destroy something if there is a legal target on the board so you would end up destroying your Training Grounds, Mana Echoes, etc. If you still want this ability I would recommend swapping this with Aura Shards as it is the same ability with the same trigger but it is a ‘may’ ability and you can choose not to destroy something.
Hibernation Sliver is one of the best slivers for avoiding removal. Paying 2 life to protect any sliver from being destroyed, exiled, stolen, etc. is very useful
Belligerent Sliver/Two-Headed Sliver making it harder to block your slivers means more bodies getting through to hit face.
Essence Sliver this is not Lifelink, and because it isn’t it actually stacks with Syphon Sliver for more life points
Dormant Sliver It’s fairly easy to dump your hand when playing slivers but this leaves you with an empty hand and not a whole lot of options. Very good for keeping your hand full of slivers to play. Defender can be a problem but who says you have to attack to win with slivers ;)
Screeching Sliver alternate win, tack this onto infinite sliver tokens combo from the Queen to mill out your opponents. Good if locked out of attacking for some reason
Lavabelly Sliver another non-combat win with Queen combo
Homing Sliver another way to tutor for any sliver you need besides Overlord’s ability
Mesmeric Sliver only card with Fateseal in the game, great for controlling your opponent’s next draw. Force them to only draw lands or maybe give them no lands at all.
Necrotic Sliver having spot removal for any permanent on every single one of your creatures is terrifying a very valuable. Strongly recommend this as an include.
Shadow Sliver I have never encountered anyone playing creatures with Shadow in EDH in all my years of play. This most certainly will let you get through and hit face to win a game, just make sure you kill all your opponents or get rid of it after combat as it leaves you with no blockers
Virulent Sliver I know there are mixed feelings about poison counters in the magic community but hey you get 2 counters on someone with double strike creatures.
Fun and Useful Tribal Cards for Slivers
None of these are particularly pertinent includes and some came with the Premium Deck, but these are just some Tribal cards that I have used over time while playing with slivers. Some I still use and some I do not.
Kindred Summons, Wild Pair, Herald's Horn, Coat of Arms, Kindred Discovery, Descendants' Path, Patriarch's Bidding, Kindred Charge, Vanquisher's Banner, Distant Melody, Kindred Dominance, Living Death, Primal Surge, Harsh Mercy, Door of Destinies
Slivers can be a lot of fun to play but keep in mind that they are very aggressive and can draw a lot of hate from your opponents. Players that have experienced playing against slivers are likely to counter your high-value creatures like Gemhide or Queen and will try keeping your board as small as possible since slivers win by swarming and overwhelming your opponents. I have found that this can be mitigated somewhat by changing your commander since slivers have 3 good options. Sliver Overlord, Sliver Queen, and The First Sliver.
Overlord and Queen are quite similar as they both conducive to trying to hit Queen’s infinite combo as quickly as possible but I have found that Queen tends to make people more nervous than Overlord does since you can create a wide board very quickly with her. Not only that but if you are relatively uninterrupted then silvers can combo out relatively consistently by turn 4 or 5 (depending on how lucky you get). If you like a combo victory, then that’s great, but the combo has very little variance and I personally got bored of it after playing it like that for so long.
Using The First Sliver as your commander is a whole lot less consistent if you’re going for combo but overall I’ve found it to be significantly more fun to play as I can sometimes rip 3-4 slivers for free off the top of my deck. The win is the same with overrunning your opponents but not using an infinite combo every time was very refreshing.
Hopefully you find some of this helpful, slivers are my all-time favorite tribe in mtg and it was great to see them get some love in Modern Horizons.
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