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Creature — Sliver
Whenever a Sliver deals damage, its controller gains that much life.
Essence Sliver Discussion
3 weeks ago
Lavabelly Sliver + Sliver Queen + Basal Sliver = Death by Boiled Eggs. Pay to activate the Queen 's ability creating a Sliver Creature Token. That token will have Lavabelly 's ETB effect, allowing you to target a player for 1 point of damage. Sacrifice the token using Basal 's ability generating which will be used for...yes you guessed it - another activation of Sliver Queen 's ability which will result in another activation of Lavabelly 's ability. Repeat the process of creating and sacrificing Sliver creature tokens until all would be egg-touchers are dead. That's a solid 3 card combo that's entirely tutor-able by the commander alone - that's why you should keep the Lavabelly .
Syphon Sliver = now, this is entirely dependent on how SHINOBIofFATE wants to build their deck, as this card would be valuable in an aggro focused Sliver deck - combine this with Essence Sliver + Bonescythe Sliver and you get not 1, not 2 but 4 triggers of lifelink per attacking Sliver. (technically, it's 2 triggers of lifelink, and 2 triggers of "Whenever a Sliver deals damage, its controller gains that much life." - if you're thinking "well didn't they errata that?" NO. You are wrong. This is an ability unique to Essence Sliver .) However, if they're going to pursue a Control oriented deck...then yeah, I'd stick with that cut.
3 months ago
This is a bit of a long one, but I'd like to respond to all the comments haha,
Love the deck name. The First Sliver is very fast and can be brutal when the opponent can't blow you out. Swarming the field can be enough to slaughter your opponent if its 1v1. It's definitely much harder if your partner has killed your commander 3 times and forced it to become 11 cmc! But of course, still very good.
In non 1v1 it could be harder, but then it could be still ok as well, depends on the meta and the politics in the play group. I never realised how important politics were until I played one of my other favourite decks: Queen Marchesa . Sometimes I face 1 control deck and 2 other aggro decks and I find that we all team up to take down the control deck because it can easily blow us all up with an Evacuation or Cyclonic Rift . In a meta full of other aggro decks, sometimes I find there are more threatening challengers, e.g. Edgar Markov which can start of WAY faster, Maelstrom Wanderer which can just win in a single turn, and Reanimator strategies which summon giant unstoppable threats. In a full combo meta, you might find that you get a lot of support if you make deals with people to assist in taking down a combo player. One of my friends was playing Kess, Dissident Mage storm and everyone countered his boardwipes so I could get in to finish him before he went off. Certainly where no one plays politics, you will seem quite threatening because you're the 'sliver' guy (definitely a dirty word). The First Sliver is very threatening, but it has some weaknesses (e.g. board wipes) and may be portrayed as more 'dirty' than it actually is. If you make it clear what your weaknesses are, play it patient + look for windows where you can surprise kill people, and make it clear that you play a role in keeping the peace (that you're valuable to keep alive), it won't be too bad and people won't see The First Sliver as THAT big of a threat (albeit still a threat haha). When you attack, share the love. When you go in for the kill, be sure u can kill them dead.
I hope you have fun at the LGS! I'm actually overseas on vacation at the moment, but in July I'll be back at my LGS and keen to slam some games with this deck.
Thanks for the constructive criticism; I don't think it's negative at all and very useful. I hope I get more comments like this. I'll try to address all the points, please let me know if I missed anything!
- Hitting 5 mana consistently
You'd be surprised at how often the deck is able to get to 5 mana. I based the land count off my predecessor sliver lists, though after play testing, I found that 35 was good myself. We don't really thin the deck of lands so we draw lands quite a lot. If worse comes to worse, you might need to mull, but as soon as you hit 5 lands you can do much of what the deck was designed to do.
We have ramp in the form of Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Herald's Horn , Urza's Incubator and even 2 pseudo-power cards as ramp (as well as ways to search for them/draw them). But you're right about the lack of ramp. Hence, I've I mentioned in one of the previous comments (#10) that I'll be trying to add more "ramp/rocks to ensure consistency as well as enough mana in the late game". Ultimately, however, I do want to minimise the number of non-sliver cards. The gimmick of this deck just aims to cascade as much as possible and play the pseudo-power cards. We don't risk cascading into ramp by accident, which is what I didn't like about my Maelstrom Wanderer deck, so the ceiling is high, but there is the trade-off.
The deck seems to do fine in getting to 5 from what I've seen, though I'll report back after further tests. Even if it doesn't hit 5 lands on 5, it doesn't mean doom. The deck is admittedly quite glass cannon regarding lands, though by virtue, it also has a high ceiling. Maybe after testing more, I'll go up to 36, but I will need to find room for that extra land. I'm considering even putting in utility lands (see comment #10) which will grind us advantage while also adding to the land count.
Much of the lands come in tapped yes, but in the guide I wrote that this was a budget mana base. I also suggested to use fetches, shocks (and even duals) if you had them available to you. The lands will come in tapped in this build, though if you sequence correctly it should not be too much of a hindrance.
Ultimately, I keep my low land count because: As you said I mentioned, the deck is fast. For the most part, 5 mana is all you need to go off because you'll be casting multiple slivers off each trigger (we also have acceleration cards that allow free casting, such as Descendants' Path and the hideaway lands, so we can do more with less mana). This low count also ensures you draw as most slivers as possible.
- Recasting the commander
You are completely correct in noticing the weakness in The First Sliver being removed and being hard to be recasted. In comment #4 I stated that after play testing the The First Sliver became widely feared and was likely to be removed. Therefore I suggested to add in Diffusion Sliver . The idea is to either have enough lands or play protection before you cast The First Sliver (for now, but, as I mentioned, I definitely would like to try tech in more ramp, though what we have now is not too bad). Also, you have to be aware that as soon as you cascade a few times after, you're very likely to hit Mox Tantalite and Lotus Bloom which will keep you in the game until you hit more lands and the card draw engines (including Ancestral Vision ) will draw you into more.
As for protection, I consider cards that leave The First Sliver 's casting cost at 5 as protection as well (I probably should have been more clear about this). As long as you can replay your commander, it can do its job. These include: Crypt Sliver , Hibernation Sliver , Frenetic Sliver , Pulmonic Sliver , Sliver Hivelord , Ward Sliver , Crystalline Sliver and ways of searching. Sometimes these slivers will be situational (e.g. some cannot defend against exile effects), though patience and not presenting yourself as a threat before getting these cards out is the key. Sometimes you just need to play without The First Sliver abit. You can also let your commander go to the grave and use Graveshifter or Volrath's Stronghold .
Again, there are also other utility lands which I want to tech in (see comment #10) which will act as recursion after The First Sliver dies. In saying this, I avoid non-sliver protection spells for the same reason I try minimise ramp spells: ending the cascade chain. Also, I would rather draw slivers or non-sliver cards that accelerate us in the late game + while some of the slivers I mentioned account for board-wipes, the non-creature shroud/hex proof cards will leave you with no slivers to protect after a wrath.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely test with more ramp and lands for sure.
This is an interesting suggestion, I haven't really considered it. Though there seem to be some downsides.
Aetherflux Reservoir could be good as we cast so many spells off cascade. This can lead to finishing opponents off early. However, we don't cast enough spells to gain us up to 111 life (assuming this is a standard game with 4 players and everyone at 40 life, leaving us at 1 after Aetherflux Reservoir ). Based on the triangle number sequence, if we cast 4 creatures we will deal 10 damage. If we cast 5 (the average) we will deal 15 damage. If we cast 6, we will deal 21 damage. This will take at least 6 turns to get to 111 life, by which the opponents will have destruction for the Aetherflux Reservoir and we can't protect it, lacking any counters in the deck (a bit too glass cannon?). We are also so aggressive that we can normally already kill under 6 turns when we do go off. Because the lack of defensiveness this deck has, we will also be taking a lot of damage from other aggro decks. This will be worse for us if we play Aetherflux Reservoir , because we will likely become more archenemy than we already are; we can definitely take out 1 or 2 players, but our life will be too at risk from the last player. This also encourages going all out with casting our hand, which may cause us to over-extend and blow out.
This may be assisted by Essence Sliver though such may be a bit inconsistent. Furthermore, it's a risk to cascade into it and is a card that we don't necessarily want in the late game, having cast everything we have already.
Though again, my theorising is all on paper and I might give it a try? In practice who's to say it won't work? With aggression from our deck we may not even need to reach 100 life. Very interesting suggestion.
- Thank you all for the feedback! I like constructive criticism and will continue to improve this build.
11 months ago
My advice is to stick with a White and Green deck, you have the base slivers there like Sinew Sliver, Muscle Sliver, Brood Sliver, Horned Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver, Gemhide Sliver, Ward Sliver, Might Sliver, Manaweft Sliver, Essence Sliver and Sidewinder Sliver there, plus some more but these are the greatest ones for me. With them you can splash more colors to use Crystalline Sliver, Necrotic Sliver, Sliver Queen, Sliver Legion, Sliver Overlord and Sliver Hivelord, which are the ones with most value in my opinion outside Selesnya colors, although there are some good ones too in Blue and Red. Metallic Sliver is a good and cheap body but with no abilities of its own. Also get non-creatures spells that allow you to draw, tutor or fix your hand/deck for more creatures, as well as things to protect said creatures from boardwipes and individual kill spells. Check my sliver deck to get a more accurate idea of what I'm saying please Merciless Aliens
1 year ago
OP_Sigma I love the list. Great manabase, I have hardly any criticisms there. I do have one question though: why the inclusion of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth? It's not like you're hurting for . I'd probably sub in something that produces , as you're going more control you'll want more access to that mana. Compared to my list you also chose to go a little lean on Slivers, removing Essence Sliver, Dormant Sliver, Homing Sliver and Basal Sliver. From these omissions it looks like you're going for a more aggressive strategy - potentially playing your commander a little sooner to get in that damage. I always think that Dormant Sliver is a great inclusion, but maybe Synapse Sliver would be more your speed?
This is an excellent build. I look forward to seeing what additional tweaks and adjustments you'll make going forward. +1 from me! I can honestly say that The Queen approves
1 year ago
One of the biggest lessons I learned since I first started playing Commander/EDH, is the first thing you need to ask yourself when choosing a commander is "How can I exploit this commander?" Avacyn, Angel of Hope is a powerful card on its own, but it can turn the card Armageddon, from destroy all lands, to destroy all lands but your own. It's things like that that make a deck strong. Lyra in particular is strong with a card like Exalted Angel. The reason why is because the wording of the card means it technically has lifelink, without counting as lifelink. So if Lyra is out, the Exalted Angel gains twice the life of damage done. I learned this playing Essence Sliver and Syphon Sliver, I like slivers.
Speaking of which, you should make full use of your commander's abilities and have more angels. You have quite a few removal spells, it would be a good idea to combine removal and control with angel creatures ie: Sunblast Angel, Angel of Deliverance, or the aforementioned Angel of the Dire Hour. Magic is a game of making the most use out of each card you have. Linvala, Keeper of Silence is also a good card to have. It can shut down entire decks, without interfering with your own (Seeing as how angels rarely have activated abilities).
If you want to see more examples of this stuff you can check out my own personal mono-white deck: Blood for Sword, Sword for Blood or any of my other decks.
I hope this helps. I think building a deck to honor your mother like this is really awesome :) I wish you the best on your journeys to come.
1 year ago
I love slivers more than most players. It seems like your deck has a lot of slivers in it, which is good, but I feel like in some cases you need an reason to put it in besides the fact that it's a sliver. I run a bizarre kind of sliver token deck though, so in mine, I only run 17 or so slivers, so take everything I have to say with a grain of salt.
Slivers that aren't that great:
- Blade Sliver
- Dementia Sliver (I guess if you like it, you should keep it)
- Essence Sliver (this one sounds nuts, but I run Aura Shards over this, simply because it's strictly better. There is the fact that you can't tutor for it with overlord, but for me, I have the problem that essence sliver doesn't have "may," so sometimes I end up killing a lot of my own stuff. Still there's an argument to be made for it.
- Screeching Sliver (I just don't know why this card is in here. It seems like a pretty non-synergistic effect. I also feel like even if you had a lot of slivers, it would take you an ass ton of time to mill someone out by tapping them all in EDH)
Other things to take out:
- Staff of Nin (I like this card in mono-red, but that's about it. since you have access to all the colors, there's a huge amount of cards you have access to that are just better than this card. Find something that works well with your deck. I like Fecundity, but I'm in tokens. There's a lot in blue that are great. Mind Unbound will draw you a lot of cards (a lot more than the staff). and has the same CMC, but it does have double blue. I even like Phyrexian Arena in this deck.
- Hive Stirrings. (I'm in sliver tokens and I don't really love this card. Just a lot of other effects i'd rather have for 3 mana. Maybe a Mirror Entity or an Phyrexian Arena)
- Venser's Journal (I love this card, but not in this deck. I just feel like there's not enough card draw, hand size shenannagins to make use of this card. If you added like 10 more card draw spells then sure, good pick)
Stuffs to Add:
(Note: given the sliver legion and queen, it seemed like money wasn't much of an issue, so some of these picks aren't exactly budget)
- Brood Sliver (Where is this guy? seriously, he's great.)
- Cryptolith Rite (take out Springleaf Drum. Cryptolith Rite costs one more and is strictly better.)
- Amoeboid Changeling (I think I know what you're going for with Unnatural Selection. If you want though, you can even tutor it out, since amoeboid is a changeling and therefore a sliver. I only do this when I feel like I absolutely have to or I feel like being a dick. depends on your meta, but I try not to overuse this ability too much.)
- Crypt Sliver (just...yes....)
- Crystalline Sliver (this has a downside if you need to target your stuff, so don't drop it unless you need to. I feel like this is a better slot in than blade sliver or some of the lower end pumps. If you need to, only play him when you already have a sliver with a sac outlet on the battlefield)
- Mesmeric Sliver (depending on how many slivers you can drop, this gets pretty nuts. just always make opponents draw land.)
- Shifting Sliver (THIS MUST GO IN. Like seriously though. just drop this and win.)
- Coat of Arms (Most EDH decks only have access to one of these effects, but yours can have access to two with sliver legion in the deck too. I know this pumps everyone's tribal, so just have more of your tribe and you're good. Also you only have to drop this when you want to swing for lethal. Might be a good slot instead of Venser's Journal or something.)
Some nuts busted cards:
- Cryptic Gateway. (this is nuts. I love it)
- Cauldron of Souls (this is a super underrated card. When I go in and retune my deck, this is going in)
- Wild Pair (since you like cryptic gateway, you might like this card. didn't make it into mine, because i'm pretty low on slivers, but slivers always have the same power and toughness, making it really easy to use this card.)
Great deck. I'd love to hear what you think of my sliver tokens deck. I haven't tweaked it in a while so there's some obvious slot in's from Ixalan at least that need to go in. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/make-tokens-great-again/
Thanks for sharing :)
2 years ago
Try to avoid redundant effects. Ie: you don't need Blur Sliver AND Heart Sliver. Use the cheaper one instead. The only exception to that rule is you probably will want both slivers that can tap for any color mana and technically Essence Sliver isn't a keyword, so you can have that and Syphon Sliver and essentially have all your slivers attack with double lifelink. You'll have a ridiculous amount of life very quickly.
Faces of the Past is usually a winner in sliver decks. Hivestone is fun if you wanted to put some non-slivers in and make them all into slivers. Amoeboid Changeling + Sliver Overlord lets you take control of any tasty creatures your opponents have.
as for speeding up your lands, just try to use as many as possible that don't come into play tapped. The bullet lands such as Llanowar Wastes are cheap, but they will ping you for one damage to get mana fixing. Chromatic Lantern is pretty important in any 5 color deck.
2 years ago
I didn't know that Essence Sliver was modern legal because of the printing, I will definitely think about it.
Thanks for the comment and for the effort to use the translator to it ;).
Essence Sliver occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%