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All Slivers have "Tap: Regenerate target Sliver."
Crypt Sliver Discussion
1 month ago
This doesn't look bad but I think you're missing some of the key slivers:
Shifting Sliver : Makes all you're slivers unblockable unless you're going up against another sliver deck.
Crypt Sliver : helps to avoid combat damage from blockers/combat.
Frenetic Sliver : this one is really clutch. You can just use him in response to a boardwipe to save creatures or potentially save creatures during combat. It can also be paired with Dregscape Sliver so you unearth then before the end step activate the Frenetic and choose to order the Dregscape's sacrifice effect before the Frenetic's return effect so the sacrafice from the unearth happens before the creature is returned and fissiles. so you can essentially play all the cards from your graveyard for , Provided you win the coin flip.
If you want an infinite combo piece you could look at Intruder Alarm which when paired with one of the mana producing slivers can let you play out your entire hand or if you have the Sliver Overlord out, every sliver in the deck.
2 months ago
Sedge Sliver works quite well with Prismatic Omen and I had it there until the last update. It works supposedly well since it also pumps, so it serves two purposes. Not that the pump is that significant but... Crypt Sliver is a big no. I'm planing on getting Crystalline Sliver out asap. I looked at it but the targeting is a bit of a pain.
Crib Swap is a nice card indeed. Shame it can't be unearthed.
2 months ago
I personally would vote for both. Sedge Sliver does have a bit of a drawback in that you only have 7 lands that can tap for black (and be used to pay for abilities), but with Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , and Chromatic Lantern it does shore that weakness up a bit. I play in a pretty sweeper-heavy meta, so I run a lot of regenerate/protective effects. Crypt Sliver is also pretty good, though it does non-bo with Crystalline Sliver , so might not be a great fit in a deck where you can get global shroud out and online pretty quickly.
Ghostflame Sliver plays well with All Is Dust if you wanted a sweeper of your own, and you can fetch Crib Swap with Sliver Overlord for instant speed exile removal. That and if you've got the extra mana you can just steal the changeling yourself!
3 months ago
This is a bit of a long one, but I'd like to respond to all the comments haha,
Love the deck name. The First Sliver is very fast and can be brutal when the opponent can't blow you out. Swarming the field can be enough to slaughter your opponent if its 1v1. It's definitely much harder if your partner has killed your commander 3 times and forced it to become 11 cmc! But of course, still very good.
In non 1v1 it could be harder, but then it could be still ok as well, depends on the meta and the politics in the play group. I never realised how important politics were until I played one of my other favourite decks: Queen Marchesa . Sometimes I face 1 control deck and 2 other aggro decks and I find that we all team up to take down the control deck because it can easily blow us all up with an Evacuation or Cyclonic Rift . In a meta full of other aggro decks, sometimes I find there are more threatening challengers, e.g. Edgar Markov which can start of WAY faster, Maelstrom Wanderer which can just win in a single turn, and Reanimator strategies which summon giant unstoppable threats. In a full combo meta, you might find that you get a lot of support if you make deals with people to assist in taking down a combo player. One of my friends was playing Kess, Dissident Mage storm and everyone countered his boardwipes so I could get in to finish him before he went off. Certainly where no one plays politics, you will seem quite threatening because you're the 'sliver' guy (definitely a dirty word). The First Sliver is very threatening, but it has some weaknesses (e.g. board wipes) and may be portrayed as more 'dirty' than it actually is. If you make it clear what your weaknesses are, play it patient + look for windows where you can surprise kill people, and make it clear that you play a role in keeping the peace (that you're valuable to keep alive), it won't be too bad and people won't see The First Sliver as THAT big of a threat (albeit still a threat haha). When you attack, share the love. When you go in for the kill, be sure u can kill them dead.
I hope you have fun at the LGS! I'm actually overseas on vacation at the moment, but in July I'll be back at my LGS and keen to slam some games with this deck.
Thanks for the constructive criticism; I don't think it's negative at all and very useful. I hope I get more comments like this. I'll try to address all the points, please let me know if I missed anything!
- Hitting 5 mana consistently
You'd be surprised at how often the deck is able to get to 5 mana. I based the land count off my predecessor sliver lists, though after play testing, I found that 35 was good myself. We don't really thin the deck of lands so we draw lands quite a lot. If worse comes to worse, you might need to mull, but as soon as you hit 5 lands you can do much of what the deck was designed to do.
We have ramp in the form of Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Herald's Horn , Urza's Incubator and even 2 pseudo-power cards as ramp (as well as ways to search for them/draw them). But you're right about the lack of ramp. Hence, I've I mentioned in one of the previous comments (#10) that I'll be trying to add more "ramp/rocks to ensure consistency as well as enough mana in the late game". Ultimately, however, I do want to minimise the number of non-sliver cards. The gimmick of this deck just aims to cascade as much as possible and play the pseudo-power cards. We don't risk cascading into ramp by accident, which is what I didn't like about my Maelstrom Wanderer deck, so the ceiling is high, but there is the trade-off.
The deck seems to do fine in getting to 5 from what I've seen, though I'll report back after further tests. Even if it doesn't hit 5 lands on 5, it doesn't mean doom. The deck is admittedly quite glass cannon regarding lands, though by virtue, it also has a high ceiling. Maybe after testing more, I'll go up to 36, but I will need to find room for that extra land. I'm considering even putting in utility lands (see comment #10) which will grind us advantage while also adding to the land count.
Much of the lands come in tapped yes, but in the guide I wrote that this was a budget mana base. I also suggested to use fetches, shocks (and even duals) if you had them available to you. The lands will come in tapped in this build, though if you sequence correctly it should not be too much of a hindrance.
Ultimately, I keep my low land count because: As you said I mentioned, the deck is fast. For the most part, 5 mana is all you need to go off because you'll be casting multiple slivers off each trigger (we also have acceleration cards that allow free casting, such as Descendants' Path and the hideaway lands, so we can do more with less mana). This low count also ensures you draw as most slivers as possible.
- Recasting the commander
You are completely correct in noticing the weakness in The First Sliver being removed and being hard to be recasted. In comment #4 I stated that after play testing the The First Sliver became widely feared and was likely to be removed. Therefore I suggested to add in Diffusion Sliver . The idea is to either have enough lands or play protection before you cast The First Sliver (for now, but, as I mentioned, I definitely would like to try tech in more ramp, though what we have now is not too bad). Also, you have to be aware that as soon as you cascade a few times after, you're very likely to hit Mox Tantalite and Lotus Bloom which will keep you in the game until you hit more lands and the card draw engines (including Ancestral Vision ) will draw you into more.
As for protection, I consider cards that leave The First Sliver 's casting cost at 5 as protection as well (I probably should have been more clear about this). As long as you can replay your commander, it can do its job. These include: Crypt Sliver , Hibernation Sliver , Frenetic Sliver , Pulmonic Sliver , Sliver Hivelord , Ward Sliver , Crystalline Sliver and ways of searching. Sometimes these slivers will be situational (e.g. some cannot defend against exile effects), though patience and not presenting yourself as a threat before getting these cards out is the key. Sometimes you just need to play without The First Sliver abit. You can also let your commander go to the grave and use Graveshifter or Volrath's Stronghold .
Again, there are also other utility lands which I want to tech in (see comment #10) which will act as recursion after The First Sliver dies. In saying this, I avoid non-sliver protection spells for the same reason I try minimise ramp spells: ending the cascade chain. Also, I would rather draw slivers or non-sliver cards that accelerate us in the late game + while some of the slivers I mentioned account for board-wipes, the non-creature shroud/hex proof cards will leave you with no slivers to protect after a wrath.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely test with more ramp and lands for sure.
This is an interesting suggestion, I haven't really considered it. Though there seem to be some downsides.
Aetherflux Reservoir could be good as we cast so many spells off cascade. This can lead to finishing opponents off early. However, we don't cast enough spells to gain us up to 111 life (assuming this is a standard game with 4 players and everyone at 40 life, leaving us at 1 after Aetherflux Reservoir ). Based on the triangle number sequence, if we cast 4 creatures we will deal 10 damage. If we cast 5 (the average) we will deal 15 damage. If we cast 6, we will deal 21 damage. This will take at least 6 turns to get to 111 life, by which the opponents will have destruction for the Aetherflux Reservoir and we can't protect it, lacking any counters in the deck (a bit too glass cannon?). We are also so aggressive that we can normally already kill under 6 turns when we do go off. Because the lack of defensiveness this deck has, we will also be taking a lot of damage from other aggro decks. This will be worse for us if we play Aetherflux Reservoir , because we will likely become more archenemy than we already are; we can definitely take out 1 or 2 players, but our life will be too at risk from the last player. This also encourages going all out with casting our hand, which may cause us to over-extend and blow out.
This may be assisted by Essence Sliver though such may be a bit inconsistent. Furthermore, it's a risk to cascade into it and is a card that we don't necessarily want in the late game, having cast everything we have already.
Though again, my theorising is all on paper and I might give it a try? In practice who's to say it won't work? With aggression from our deck we may not even need to reach 100 life. Very interesting suggestion.
- Thank you all for the feedback! I like constructive criticism and will continue to improve this build.
5 months ago
5 months ago
I like the idea of adding flying. What I was thinking about doing was adding 4x Evolving Wilds , 2x Swamp and 3x Crypt Sliver to allow for a lot of regeneration if the game goes late. We play a lot of 6 people magic and thought this would keep it viable. Not looking to keep it modern legal.
7 months ago
Non-Linear I wanted Aura Shards in the deck as opposed to Harmonic Sliver because I run 14 artifacts and enchantments in the deck and Harmonic Sliver would force me to blow up my utility artifacts and enchantments too, where as Aura Shards lets me only blow up my opponents. I see what you were saying about Heartstone but I prefer Training Grounds because it only costs one mana instead of three and it reduces the cost of every sliver's ability to one instead of two. I think Crypt Sliver vs Clot Sliver is more personal preference, I thought an early game Crypt Sliver might not be as effective because if you only have a few slivers out and they have summoning sickness than it wouldn't do much good. I think there's a good argument for Heart Sliver instead of Blur Sliver but I think Blur works better for the deck because if my oppoents have a sliver deck then Heart Sliver could help them, where as Blur Sliver only helps me.
In regards to adding more infinite combos, I try to stay away from them for the most part because I enjoy playing the game, not just winning the game. My original plans for the deck had Paradox Engine and Intruder Alarm in it but I just wasn't feeling it. I wanted to keep cards that I enjoyed playing and have never played before.
Some of the expensive cards I have in the deck are because they are helpful and provide value, such as The Immortal Sun and Volrath's Stronghold . Some of them are in the deck because I have never played them before and I think they could be good in the deck and fun to play, like Karn Liberated . I completely understand finding cheaper alternate cards but I want this to be my subjectively strongest EDH deck + one of my favs to play.
Thx for the feedback though, and I may consider building an infinite combo Sliver Overlord deck with some of the cards you mentioned.
7 months ago
Alright, I love slivers and this was my first EDH deck. You have nice and expensive cards some of which are redundant. Harmonic Sliver = Aura Shards but better, Training Grounds is a bit redundant because the cost for the queen is only reduced to 1 and Heartstone will give you the same effect. Some of your slivers seem to only be in the deck because it is TRIBAL. This is the biggest mistake for cEDH you need to branch out and pull value from non-slivers. Crypt Sliver is better than Clot Sliver and Heart Sliver is cheaper than Blur Sliver .
If you already own these cards great, if not find cheaper alternatives. Not to be a prude but it seems you just have some expensive cards because you can and not because it is helpful...
Crypt Sliver occurrence in decks from the last year
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