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Orzhov Signet Discussion
3 weeks ago
As a few people have mentioned, this isn't really a cEDH build as much as it's a classic pub stomp Kaalia deck. But that's ok. And there are definitely some things you can do to make the deck faster.
Rakdos Signet, Boros Signet, Orzhov Signet, as well as Talisman of Indulgence, Talisman of Conviction and Talisman of Hierarchy will all help to you accelerate your commander down, as will cards like Dark Ritual and Lotus Bloom. The problem that you'll have with 3 CMC mana rocks is that they docn't actually help you play a 4 CMC commander any faster. Long term, cards like Mana Crypt (inadditiaon to the above) will definitely help however they also come with a price tag. Still, a handful of 2 CMC rocks will help you play your commander a turn earlier which also means attacking a turn eariler.
If you are looking to make this into a more cEDH list, you'll also havbe to deal with blue decks. As such, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast and Deflecting Swat are all super helpful in protecting your commander from counterspells. On the side of removal, for cEDH you generally prefer to have more efficient removal rather than expensive sweeper. So Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Wear / Tear are better options as you don't really care to remove everyhting on ther board as much as just the thing that's stopping you. And if yho udo want a sweeper, Toxic Deluge is a good one as it's not only cheap but you can control what creatures die and since all your creatures are larger then you cna potentially wipe the board of only your opponents' stuff. Fire Covenant is also good as you can pipck what you want to die. And both of these are far more mana efficient than 6 mana sweepers.
3 months ago
My first thought is “How does this deck manage to function on barely 31 Lands and a total of 5.5 Ramp spells and 3 Mana Rocks?!”
Archons are a VERY expensive tribe to run; I would be cramming as mana Land tutors and mana rocks into this deck as I could, along with at least 37 lands.
I tried running an Elf tribal deck with 30 lands and always found myself wanting more lands after the first board wipe, and Elves average 1-4 mana each—I bumped that deck up to 36 and it’s much smoother nowadays. The Archons here average 5.8 mana each.
It’s not fun to sit there wishing you had more mana to play your big, bomb-y creatures while your opponents are doing stuff the whole game. I’ve been there more times than I care to remember.
If you don’t want to add more ramp and mana fixing, the other option is to go more heavily into stax and tax effects to slow down your opponents to give yourself more time to build up to your big spells. You have a couple in the deck already, but there’s tons of options, especially since you’re playing 4c and Archons just happen to be primarily in White and also just so happen to love creating stax effects of their own, AND they DO like Enchantments!
There’s obviously more than this, but I’m on my phone and these are what came to mind.
3 months ago
What's your budget, and what sort of ultimate power level are you looking for?
In b/w, you'll definitely want to rock all your mana rocks. Orzhov Signet, Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Talisman of Hierarchy, and some number of colorless, depending on your build/preference, like Mind Stone, Everflowing Chalice, definitely Sol Ring, possibly Wayfarer's Bauble, etc.
I would strongly recommend getting a "backup" commander, in case the playgroup won't allow a walker - I personally loathe walkers as commanders, so it'd be a bad night to show up and be told they don't want to play. On that note, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim is a great Cleric commander.
The things to focus your budget on, overall, will be card draw, ramp, and removal; most of the non-cEDH "engine" cards won't cost that much, but things like sweepers, good targeted removal, and good card draw definitely will. And, of course, the good tutors are very expensive. You can also make a reasonably-budget reanimator list that'll work well, which will let you abuse something like Vilis, Broker of Blood.
The best all-encompassing resource will be looking at existing lists on here, edhrec, or similar.
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4 months ago
Hey, well done for a first deck on such a low budget. I haven't seen this Commander before.
When you're just starting out building decks in Commander it can be helpful to have some basic deck structure guildlines to follow.
- 36-38 lands (Exotic Orchard, Path of Ancestry)
- 20-25 creatures (Soulherder, Brago, King Eternal)
- 10 ramp sources (Arcane Signet, Knight of the White Orchid)
- 10 draw sources (Brainstorm, Palace Jailer)
- 10 removal/board wipes/counterspells (Swords to Plowshares, Cleansing Nova, Counterspell)
This is just a basic structure to get things started. It doesn't cover everything and your final deck may have different numbers for each part of the structure such as you might have more creatures. Some cards can cover more than one area such as Palace Jailer who is creature removal and can be repeatable draw which is really helpful.
Ramp is something all Commander decks need since you don't want to only rely on lands/land drops to make mana. You have Sol Ring which is really good, but that's where the ramp ends here. Only Sol is not enough ramp.
I always explain to new Commander deck builders that you need to be able to sacrifice (cut) some of the fun cards to add ramp to your deck. Since doing this will help gameplay so that you can more easily cast your Commander and the other big fun cards you want to play. In the case here my advice is consider cutting at least 9 cards to add more budget ramp?
- Arcane Signet
- Knight of the White Orchid
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Fellwar Stone
- Azorius Signet
- Orzhov Signet
- Mind Stone
- Commander's Sphere
Some cards to consider cutting to add more ramp are creatures who don't do enough for their mana cost: Gods' Hall Guardian, Living Tempest, Dread Rider, Shepherd of Heroes, Kor Celebrant, Ronom Unicorn, Brinebarrow Intruder
Like ramp all decks also need draw that comes from single draw effects and more importantly repeatable draw sources. Currently your deck has three good single draw effects Baleful Strix, Champion of Wits, Cloudblazer and one repeatable draw source Jace, Wielder of Mysteries. There's a reanimation theme here that can get you more draw from these creatures which is good, but consider more draw?
- Palace Jailer
- Sea Gate Oracle
- Thorn of the Black Rose
- Arguel's Blood Fast Flip
- Notion Rain
Jailer and Rose can be repeatable draw sources with the Monarch Emblem. When you have the monarch then you draw a card at your end step. Only one player in the game at one time can be the monarch and it can change players. As long as you are monarch you get the repeatable draw at your end step which is a big advantage.
For an opponent to become the monarch they have to do combat damage with a creature to you or play a card/effect that makes them the monarch. When this happens you loose the monarch and that opponent becomes the monarch. You can get back the monarch though by doing combat damage with a creature to the opponent who is the monarch or playing a card/effect that makes you the monarch.
The area of your deck that you have a lot of is removal. I count 23 single effects of removal here. You can afford to cut some removal to improve other areas of your deck: Withercrown, Befuddle, Iron Verdict, Smite the Monstrous.
If you're interested I offer more advice in another comment. Including explaining how blink from single effects or repeatable such as Soulherder and Brago, King Eternal can be powerful here. Would you like me to continue with more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Hey, what you have so far is fine with many good cards, but also quite a few cards that look out of place or could be replaced with better even budget options. I see that you're not finished yet with your first version since have only 18 lands as well as missing Command Tower.
I want to mention that if you want to gain life then a good way is playing flying Angels who have lifelink who you can cheat onto the battlefield with Kaalia or even cast. Gaining life from attacking Angels goes well with the overall game plan of cheating creatures onto the battlefield attacking.
After you add more lands to get 35-38 then also consider adding more ramp?
Cards such as Wanderer's Twig and Armillary Sphere are not ramp since they don't put the land you get onto the battlefield, it goes into your hand for a land drop. These types of cards are quite bad when there's actual mana rock ramp that could be added. Weathered Wayfarer also isn't ramp, but the difference is it can be a repeatable effect to get a land which is worth it from a one drop. A reason to add more ramp is as a backup plan to be able to cast high CMC creatures if and when Kaalia gets disrupted since don't count on having/controlling Kaalia all game.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Hey, good work in progress so far for a first deck with an interesting concept.
Command Tower and Arcane Signet are two staples to consider adding. Consider adding some flying creatures who can disrupt your opponent to help you do keep the monarch and some repeatable sources of flying creatures?
- Archon of Emeria and Rule of Law can bring the game to a halt which helps you to keep the monarch.
- Windborn Muse and Ghostly Prison make it more difficult for opponents to attack you which helps you to keep the monarch.
- Aven Mindcensor: doesn't let your opponents tutor which can give you a big advantage.
- Luminarch Ascension: it cares about each opponent's end step meaning in multiplayer Commander that it can get counters quick.
- Court of Grace: another source of the monarch.
Blind Obedience can be opponent mana rock ramp disruption and shuts off haste of opponent's creatures who might want to attack you. With Cunning Rhetoric opponent may not want to attack you because then you'll exile card from top of their library.
The mana curve is very high here since you have so many 5 CMC, 6 CMC or higher cards. Cutting some of them for lower CMC cards and more ramp would help gameplay. More two drop mana rocks can make it easier/faster to cast Marchesa. Since she's a 4 CMC creature then a turn two mana rock can potentially let you cast her turn three if you make your land drops.
- Arcane Signet
- Fellwar Stone
- Thought Vessel: no max hand size can help when you're drawing a lot of cards with the monarch.
- Boros Signet
- Orzhov Signet
- Rakdos Signet
Some lands to consider adding in place of some basic lands that are within your budget to improve the manabase:
- Rainbow lands: Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Path of Ancestry
- Fetch lands: Fabled Passage
- Mardu lands: Nomad Outpost
- Bond lands: Vault of Champions, Spectator Seating
- Pain lands: Caves of Koilos, Battlefield Forge
- Filter lands: Rugged Prairie, Fetid Heath, Graven Cairns
- Check lands: Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Clifftop Retreat
- Tango lands: Smoldering Marsh
If you're playing Dark Depths then consider Thespian's Stage? Stage is the land that combos with Depths to get Marit Lage. When you control Depths and Stage pay 2 mana to copy Depths with Stage. Stage becomes Depths with no ice counters on it and the legendary rule will take place since you can't control two legendary Depths at the same time. Choose to keep Stage and remove Depths. Since Stage has no ice counters it's saced to create Marit Lage.
If interested I offer more advice including cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Hey, well done so far on a budget.
Consider the Emeria Shepherd + Pyre of Heroes interaction with basic Plains? Shepherd is an Angel to reanimate because then she along with Plains can reanimate any nonland permanent. The interaction of these two cards comes from being able to sac an Angel to tutor for to cheat another one onto the battlefield and then reanimate the Angel you just saced with Shepherd. Just by playing a land Shepherd can get a nonland permanent into your hand such as Mind Stone to cast to help to trigger Firja.
Angel of the Ruins has a powerful ETB effect and is another nice Angel with Shepherd because any land can return Ruins to your hand to then plainscycle to search for a Plains. Another interaction with Pyre is repeatedly sacing the same Angel such as Angel of Despair and reanimating it with Shepherd as long as you have Plains.
Firja as a five drop starts the chain nicely with Pyre when saced to get a six drop Angel such as Valkyrie Harbinger and then Harbringer the next turn gets Shepherd. From there get back Harbringer with Shepherd and then sac it later on to get Sephara, Sky's Blade.
Profane Tutor is a budget low CMC tutor that you cast from suspend. Open the Armory is a low CMC tutor to get Mask of Memory or Animate Dead. Dawn of Hope can do a lot when your Commander has lifelink as well as has evasion.
Court of Grace can be repeatable Angels as well as draw from the monarch. Flying Angels especially ones with vigilance can help to defend for you to keep the monarch, not letting your opponents do combat damage to you. Cleric Class is another one mana card that can help to gain life to trigger various effects and the other levels are good too.
Apprentice Necromancer has interaction with Sun Titan to repeatedly reanimate any 3 CMC or less permanent for one black mana. With Titan in your graveyard reanimate him with Necromancer. Titan ETB reanimates Necromancer and Titan has haste thus he attacks reanimates any other 3 CMC or less permanent. At your end step Titan is saced putting him in your graveyard to reanimate again with Necromancer on your next turn and repeat.
Titan can reanimate Evolving Wilds which is fuel for Emeria Shepherd. Because of Titan For one black mana you could repeatedly trigger Shepherd two times until you run out of Plains or nonland permanents to reanimate/recur. Patriarch's Bidding and Victimize are upgrades for some reanimate spells and Bidding is now a budget card.
Dark Ritual is one mana to help to cast a second spell to trigger Firja or use it to help to cast Firja since she's double black mana cost. Orzhov Signet, Talisman of Hierarchy, Mind Stone are some budget mana rock additions/upgrades. Caves of Koilos, Shineshadow Snarl, Snowfield Sinkhole, Path of Ancestry, Esper Panorama, Ash Barrens are some budget lands to consider adding.
If interested in any of these suggestions then I offer more advice of cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.
6 months ago
Cards to remove-Cards to add in
Blood on the Snow- Slaughter the Strong . You only have 1 snow land, so this card really doesn't help you all that much. Slaughter will keep Sefris alive while killing almost everything else.
Planar Ally- Karmic Guide . There aren't many venture cards, sure. But you can do way better for 5 mana than Ally, especially since you have a venture enabler in the command zone. Karmic Guide will reanimate things, is a very powerful combo loop card, and is really cheap now due to a recent reprint.
Grave Endeavor- Either Ever After or Incarnation Technique . 7 Mana is a LOT in commander, and this one is pretty unreliable. The extra damage you do to someone will likely not be too impactful for the additional mana. These two cards provide better value for cheaper.
Champion of Wits- Eligeth, Crossroads Augur . Champion is unreliable and mana intensive. Eligeth is great because if you venture into the Dungeon of the Mad Mage, you're gonna scry 1, 2, then 3. Eligeth will turn those into card draw instead.
Rogue Class- Orzhov Signet . I think this deck could use a little more ramp, and Rogue Class doesn't really do anything until you get to level 3, which is very mana intensive. Even at level 3, it doesn't really jive with the rest of your strategy.
Revivify- Eerie Interlude or Semester's End . Both are more reliable and can trigger a ton of "enter the battlefield and venture" effects you have. This way, you can save your board from a wipe, or just get a ton of ETB's quickly. Revivify requires someone to wipe for you.
Phantom Steed- Magister Sphinx or Reya Dawnbringer . Honestly, it can be any huge creature you like. Since your deck is so focused on reanimator, you should include a few really big creatures that are super impactful to the game to reanimate. Right now the only big ones are Sepulchral Primordial and maybe Sun Titan