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Orzhov Signet Discussion
2 weeks ago
Glad to hear it! Yeah sheesh I didn't even realize it was that much I remember it being like fifteen bucks a little while back, that's kind of insane- but hmm. Oh holy crap the synergy with Teysa Karlov and Felisa is kind of crazy, just noticed that too. But here are some ones I would recommend cutting, though if they are fun/interesting to you or serve a purpose I missed, I could obviously be wrong:
- Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts (insanely high CMC, and it doesn't seem to actively participate in the counters theme, just creates tokens, and I think Felisa does that quite well already.)
- Eventually with the budget swap out Keen Duelist for Dark Confidant ?
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury (not really sure what his purpose is related to the them)
- Possibly Deathbringer Liege (a little expensive in mana and not directly related to the theme while good)
- Ashen Rider (insanely expensive in mana, and not directly related to the theme)
- Butcher of Malakir (great but very expensive in mana and I feel like it could be cut to lower the mana cost)
- Maybe swap out 1-2 lands for things like Dark Ritual , Orzhov Signet
- Black Sun's Zenith (awsome but if you have a mass of tokens it'll kill them as long as they have 1 toughness)
- Also consider tribal for the tokens like a Coat of Arms would be insane with 7+ tokens, especially since they all have lifelink gosh)
- Infernal Offering (graveyard recursion is great but this could be pretty bad for you if opponents have powerful graveyards. Consider Beacon of Unrest / Command the Dreadhorde / Yawgmoth's Vile Offering .
Those are just some I see off the top of my head, if you look a little deep and really question how many times you play a card and utilize it, you might find some more! Sometimes its hard to cut a card you enjoy playing even if its fun so I'd recommend having a list of cards you can add for fun, and a list for effectiveness so you can play both sides! Hope this helps, I'm glad some suggestions are useful to you, and I'll let you know if I see any more possible cuts! Feel free to ask for any more assistance or if you have any questions I'd be glad to help.
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2 weeks ago
Hey, you don't need massive help. This is a good first version especially if it's your first deck.
Some advice is try to reduce the mana curve. A 3.5 avg CMC is high, reducing this number will help gameplay. You want to prioritize the four, five or higher CMC cards. Keep the best ones for your strategy and cut the others. This deck building process is called streamlining or "cutting the fat". Adding more draw and ramp will help game play.
An example, the best fours drops here are: Teysa, Smothering Tithe, Pitiless Plunderer, Luminous Broodmoth, Elenda, Anointed Procession. Best five drops and six drops here: Sidisi, Thalisse, Wurmcoil Engine, Elspeth.
All the others not named could be cut to reduce the mana curve. A five drop that has a powerful die trigger is Archon of Justice , it's an upgrade for Liesa, Shroud of Dusk . Solemn Simulacrum is a fine four drop for ramp and a draw trigger when it dies, it's an upgrade for Kor Cartographer .
Reducing the mana curve means cutting high CMC cards for lower ones. Some examples:
Cutting Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts , a seven drop, adding one drop Skullclamp . Skullclamp is one of the better cards with Teysa for a draw engine. It's die trigger draws four cards, it's very good with the 1/1 token theme and sac outlets.
Cutting Increasing Devotion , adding Viscera Seer , five drop for a one drop. You can create tokens from many other sources that have more interaction with Teysa than Devotion does. Seer is a one drop repeatable sac outlet who can also be repeatable filtering the top card of your library to help draws especially with Skullclamp.
Cutting Debtors' Knell , adding Phyrexian Reclamation . A seven drop that doesn't do anything the turn you play it for a one drop that's mana efficient repeatable creature recursion even at instant speed.
Adding more two drop mana rocks: Talisman of Hierarchy and Orzhov Signet to improve ramp by cutting some four drops such as Oketra the True and Ill-Gotten Inheritance . For your deck Oketra is an expensive price card that's a mana expensive source of tokens which doesn't have much interaction with Teysa.
- Teysa + Ashnod's Altar + Pitiless Plunderer + Reassembling Skeleton = infinite mana and infinite die triggers.
- Teysa + Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle + Ministrant of Obligation = infinite Spirits and infinite die triggers. Do this combo on your last opponent's turn to then on your next turn attack all opponents with infinite Spirits.
If interested I offer more advice. Would you like more advice? Good luck with your deck.
4 weeks ago
Hey, well done so far, but Zelalpa looks way out of place, almost a meme. You can build your own Zelalpa with Syr + equipment :)
Consider more lands or better yet mana rocks? With a mana curve avg. of 3.7 that's high for only 33 lands and no mana rocks. You risk not being able to cast spells from your hand because you're land screwed. Mana rocks and other additional mana sources can help gameplay.
- Sol Ring
- Arcane Signet
- Knight of the White Orchid : Knight, land ramp, can get a Plains dual land such as Godless Shrine .
- Forging the Tyrite Sword : ramp with two treasures, third turn it's an equipment tutor.
- Commander's Sphere
- Orzhov Signet
- Boros Signet
- Rakdos Signet
- Mind Stone
Some other ways to help gameplay are to include more repeatable draw:
- Sram, Senior Edificer
- Mask of Memory : equip, repeatable loot.
- Zephyr Boots : equip, flying, repeatable loot.
- Midnight Reaper , Knight, helps against board wipes.
- Akiri, Fearless Voyager
Sram and Akiri are not Knights, but they're worth including because of repeatable draw effects with equipment. Can also improve game play with other draw effects:
Armory is like draw since it can tutor for your best equipment.
Some budget land upgrades to consider:
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Unclaimed Territory
- Path of Ancestry
- Nomad Outpost
- Caves of Koilos
- Battlefield Forge
- Rogue's Passage : make Syr unblockable.
- Axgard Armory : equipment tutor.
- Smoldering Marsh
- Ash Barrens
Would you like more advice? I offer more advice in another comment. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
This is cool! I love vamps, and the lifegain/drain theme seems good.
EDH isn't like, my best format, but I've played some. Your curve is pretty low, if you put in some mana rocks like Arcane Signet and cut those lands you could get away with some higher cost cards. Orzhov Signet too. That would help with Exsanguinate too. Board wipes are also really prevalent in the format, more effects like Cruel Celebrant are good insurance against them. Blood Artist would be perfect.
I would offer Despark as a removal suggestion, Bojuka Bog as a graveyard hate, and if you want to lean more into tribal aggro, there's Rally the Ranks and Vanquisher's Banner and Etchings of the Chosen . Also, Elenda, the Dusk Rose is just a cool card that I really like.
One thing to just keep in mind too is that the faster you establish your board in a 4player game, the more people will be aiming at you to knock you back down. If you have an aggressive curve it'll affect people's decisions on who to target. IDK if that would affect how you build or play this deck, but I find it helpful to think about.
Thanks for uploading!
2 months ago
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i forgot to mention ramp should cost less then average cmc to be functional
with a deck average of 3 you want to consistently have 3 upright and available on 3
so Rakdos Signet , Orzhov Signet , & Boros Signet
would out perform Commander's Sphere , Mardu Banner , Savai Crystal
4 signets + 3 Talismans puts you at 7 , you would need 8 more sources to consistently have one in opening hand
2 months ago
Hey, well done on a budget. Nice Aurelia, the Warleader :)
Phyrexian Reclamation can be a repeatable source of recursion for Kaalia or any other creature, even at instant speed. Let Kaalia die, put her into your graveyard not the Command Zone; recur her to your hand which bypasses Commander tax. Dragon Tempest is a source of haste for Kaalia and any flying creature you cast or reanimate. It has the bonus of being able to do damage if the creature is a Dragon.
Dragon Mage pairs well with Emeria Shepherd . Mage discards the permanents that you then reanimate with Shepherd and Mage refills your hand to keep doing it. Nahiri, the Harbinger can be reanimated by Shepherd and her -8 in two turns can tutor for any creature or artifact including Shepherd. -8 Nahiri, tutor for Shepherd, play a Plains and reanimate Nahiri. Nahiri has other uses besides her -8 she can be repeatable discard/draw for reanimation or even repeatable removal that exiles.
Rakdos, Lord of Riots is a Demon who can reduce the casting cost of all other Angels/Demons/Dragons. If he or other creatures are attacking and doing combat damage to opponents then he's ramp to cast high CMC creatures which helps if Kaalia is disrupted. Arcane Signet is a staple mana rock in Commander. Orzhov Signet and Rakdos Signet is more two drop ramp.
Some changes to consider, with suggestions of cuts close to or equal in price:
- Phyrexian Reclamation --> Phage the Untouchable
- Dragon Tempest --> Sigarda's Aid
- Dragon Mage --> Hero's Blade
- Nahiri, the Harbinger --> Sword of Vengeance
- Rakdos, Lord of Riots --> Akroma, Angel of Fury
- Bloodgift Demon --> Demanding Dragon
- Arcane Signet --> Exquisite Archangel
- Orzhov Signet --> Avarice Amulet
- Rakdos Signet --> Chancellor of the Annex
My advice is cut the majority of the equipment theme for more ramp since ramp is going to help more to cast Kaalia and high CMC creatures. Phage the Untouchable and Sigarda's Aid are two expensive price cards for your budget that aren't doing much in your deck. You can't cheat Phage onto the battlefield with Kaalia or reanimation which makes it pretty useless. Aid is a good card, but not taking enough advantage of equipment and I don't think you need to since the most important equipment you want to play Greaves/Boots are low mana cost to cast and equip.
If interested I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
So honestly, the thing your deck is going to suffer from the most, is the same most other Kaalia of the Vast decks suffer from. Kaalia is a Kill on Sight commander. I think trying to get her out quicker and protect her to enable you to start triggering her abilities and swinging in is going to be the biggest issue.
Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots will enable Kaalia to be protected and have haste when she comes out to play, and just simple ramp like Rakdos Signet , Orzhov Signet , Boros Signet and also the Talismans as well, could really help you speed up getting Kaalia down, and doing what she needs to do.
Hope this helps
2 months ago
Ok, here's a little bit of analysis to consider. Break it up into some comments to read. These are opinions based on experience, playing and watching lots of commander content over the years, doesn't account for your specific playstyle or how you have fun playing commander which are certainly as important of decisions, as is card selection.
You are very low in the mana curve, 11 1-drop, 21 2-drop, 15 3-drop, 16 4-drop, and Orzhov () has lots of pips, but mana ramp is critical to getting your plan onboard as quickly as others, having mana available to advance board state/gain advantage and have interaction, and landing your larger threats sooner.
Sol Ring (CMC1 for 2 = +1 mana) is a must include.
Orzhov Signet I personally don't like (CMC3 for 1 = -2 mana) but also you're in which doesn't ramp as it's core strength.
Arcane Signet (CMC2 for 1 = -1 mana) is a must include, there are only a few archetypes I wouldn't play this in and usually only .
Talisman of Hierarchy (CMC2 for 1 = -1 mana) is a must include in .
I would start with that at least, some fringe ones I like are: Burnished Hart (creature/recursion), Commander's Sphere (draw), Mycosynth Wellspring (to hand, fringe), Pristine Talisman (lifegain, fringe), Solemn Simulacrum (ramp+draw!), The Birth of Meletis (doesn't help with , but ramp, 0/4 blocker, lifegain? it has it all!), Wayfarer's Bauble (ramp).
On a premise of battlecruiser/low/mid power 3-6 I DO NOT recommend these, but there are stronger options out there beyond 6: Phyrexian Altar (combo builds), Mana Vault , Mana Crypt , Chrome Mox , Smothering Tithe , Land Tax (Might not be bad in this build)
Honestly on a Avg. CMC 2.99 mana curve, I would likely have 10-12 ramp.
Some potential cuts for these:
Gorgon's Head you've got plenty of deathtouch already, it's not pairing with a Viridian Longbow strategy or anything, it's redundant, but also the worst. Easy cut. (We can get to Open the Armory / Steelshaper's Gift later)
Pierce Strider CMC4 for a 3/3 is just plain bad, the idea is play, do 3 damage, block/sac it, noone going to pay 3 to prevent it? but they will because it's going to do 3 anyway on return, and if your using recursion on this, your making the wrong play as it has no value engine on it. Easy cut.
Creeping Chill for CMC4 sorcery is not great, you're not playing a mill strategy so you're not really casting it for free often. It's not a strong play, we can find better ones, like ramping into Athreos, God of Passage sooner.
Font of Return for CMC6? Yikes. (CMC2+CMC4 for 3 creatures to hand is not great, we can get them on the battlefield for that high a CMC).
Angelic Gift hmm we have flyers, with deathtouch, it replaces itself (draw a card) but unless we flickering it ( Ephemerate or Brago, King Enternal something like that, it sets up easy 2-for-1 if an opponent has instand speed removal.
Topic: Lands! (Umm!)
Average Distribution Build: 38 lands
Average Budget Build: 36 lands
Average Expensive Build: 37 lands
Average Aristocrats Build: 35 lands
Average Reanimator Build: 31 lands (closer)
Your Build: 30 lands (Umm!)
No way you can run 30 lands, and 0 ramp in this deck. I wouldn't shuffle this deck with less than 33 lands, probably 34-36 if I'm playing enters tapped/utility lands. I might (maybe not) go to 33 lands with 9+ ramp spells, but even then, 34 would feel better.
Do you have a combo with Piranha Marsh like Worldgorger Dragon does, if not, just delaying yourself for little value (1 damage). Kabira Crossroads in this same bucket, it's just not work the tapped mana.
Let's be honest, lands SUCK, they are too expensive! Here is a list of lands you should look at:
Lands I don't suggest: Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse (<$1 fixed color), Scoured Barrens (<$1 fixed color), Isolated Chapel ($6, Not bad but not T1 land), Myriad Landscape (<$1, slow), Temple of Silence (<$1, scry/slow).
Have to head out, I'll review more topics and recs later, but here are some other cards can come out for mana. Gorgon Flail it's on theme and not bad, but let's get that Basilisk Collar or Quietus Spike instead. Soul Stair Expedition I would rather Animate Dead or Reanimate to the battlefield right away, not have to wait for lands (it still sacrifices itself). Not Forgotten we have better removal. Have to head out now! More later to read. :) If it's too much info, let me know!