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Gravelighter
Creature — Spirit
Flying
When this enters the battlefield, draw a card if a creature died this turn (was put into the graveyard from the battlefield, tokens are put into the graveyard before they cease to exist). Otherwise, each player sacrifices a creature.
DemonDragonJ on
Diabolical Machinations
1 month ago
I have replaced Wrecking Ball with Gravelighter, which reduced this deck's average converted mana cost from 4.35 to 4.34, since the creature better fits the theme of this deck.
DemonDragonJ on Angrath's Rampage or Gravelighter?
1 month ago
RiotRunner789, I actually already have Plaguecrafter in that deck, so I agree that Gravelighter would be nice, for the redundancy.
DemonDragonJ on Angrath's Rampage or Gravelighter?
1 month ago
I have a copy of Wrecking Ball in my Thraximundar EDH deck, but I am planning to replace it with either Angrath's Rampage or Gravelighter, so I would like to ask for advice on which card other users here prefer.
What does everyone else say about this? Which card is the better replacement for Wrecking Ball?
luizfpa on
Alesha, Who Blinks at Death EDH
7 months ago
@king-saproling thanks for the suggestions! I think I’ll try some of them, like Goldhound and Gravelighter, but it seems that most of them do not bring in the kind of sinnergy I’m looking for here.
I won’t part with Key to the City because it helps to keep the commander alive and feed the graveyard mostly every game.
Pitiless Plunderer would be great, but it’s quite pricey here where I live.
king-saproling on
Alesha, Who Blinks at Death EDH
7 months ago
Looks good. Personally I would make these swaps:
Witch's Mark -> Bounty Agent
Savai Crystal -> Custodi Soulcaller
Bitter Reunion -> Gravelighter
Cathartic Reunion -> Priest of Forgotten Gods
Seize the Spoils -> Vulturous Aven
Thrill of Possibility -> Voldaren Bloodcaster
Flip
Faithless Looting -> Cathar Commando
Commander's Sphere -> Goldhound
Mardu Banner -> Pitiless Plunderer
Key to the City -> Lightning Coils
chickeneyebrows on
Path of Precons Blood Rites
8 months ago
11/01/24 - Update after a couple of games vs the other Precons (January, pre- upgrades)
As a value engine, Carmen is shockingly good. When people realized just how good she was she drew a lot of hate. People were sacrificing clues, treasures, fetch lands etc. and playing right into it. When I remembered she actually has a life gain ability i was cruising just above starting life total for a while. I think I'm justified in my choice to give her a little more protection.
Etchings of the Chosen was fantastic protection but ate a removal spell after one turn. I definitely want to keep that one in the deck.
I was able to avoid losing her to red interaction by saccing as much stuff as possible to sac outlets to make her too big to die to the damage but the issue was some of the other precons built up large board states which meant I had to use wipes and Carmen herself became so expensive to re-cast I could do little else on my turns.
I'm hoping once I've replaced the traditional wipes with mass-sacrifice effects like Single Combat and Cataclysmic Gearhulk I can easily deal with big boards while keeping Carmen.
Glass-Cast Heart was very good at both generating blood tokens which pump her as well as looting stuff into the graveyard, and also chucked out some helpful blockers at a pinch. I'm considering a Collector's Vault along the same lines (loots and provides a token to sacrifice).
The ability to bring the same creature back the combat after the main phase where you sacrifice it is very handy. I've been looking at Gravelighter as a perfect example of this, so I would cast the Gravelighter first main, sac it and force each opponent to sac a creature, grow Carmen by 4 power then swing in and return the Gravelighter - drawing a card, because it had died already - and forcing another three sacrifices growing Carmen by 4 again to 10 power. Its like a miniature board wipe. I think Gravelighter is definitely impactful enough to want to put into month 1 so I'm pulling out Cliffhaven Vampire for a later month. This is really only in there as a combo with Exquisite Blood and I have already decided not to bother with Epicure of Blood, my thinking is get the synergistic pieces in place first as the combo is something you're only going to draw into by chance so trying to force it in month 1 is a waste of time.
Mave on
endles whispers edh
10 months ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
Azoth2099 on
100 cards for Meren
1 year ago
Fleshbags, my friend. You need Fleshbags.
Fleshbag Marauder, Merciless Executioner, Demon's Disciple, Plaguecrafter, Gravelighter & Phyrexian Delver. Sac them to their own Ability to control the board and pumping Experience Counters at the same time. Lifeline & Grimoire of the Dead could also be great, if you decide to go that route.