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2 months ago
squiGGhetti - Good stuff! Thanks for taking a look!
Hmmm...maybe I will drop the filter lands like Twilight Mire, Wooded Bastion, and Fetid Heath and double the shock lands I am currently running. I will say I have had games where I start with like 3 lands in my hand but they only can generate colorless mana which kills the hand. Adding the shock lands would give me more to fetch and still provides me the option to play fast or treat it as a tap land if speed is not of the essence. I am not sure on dropping it down to only 20 lands though, with an average CMC of 2.23, I want to hedge that bet. 21 lands is pretty optimal for starting with 2-3 lands in hand with good odds of drawing an additional land in the next three turns making it so the deck SHOULD be able to play anything by turn 4...should being the key word...
Two people now pushing for Unearth now huh? I do like the card as it provides a cheap return for a 3 CMC creature or provides you a draw if not needed but I am just not understanding why it seems like a good fit for this deck. Generally, I have a lot of ways to cheat or force Haakon, Stromgald Scourge to the field and at that point, as long as he is not exiled, I can continue to cast him or another as needed. Can you expand on why Unearth is a good fit?
You are not wrong that there are better removal spells out there than Nameless Inversion. I mean Dismember comes to mind for a similar card that is more effective and potentially less mana intensive to boot! However, what I LOVE about Nameless Inversion is its ability to be recast over and over. Bar Hexproof this can remove any creature from the board if I have the mana for it or I can remove multiple weaker creatures on the same turn. Trust me, if the game last more that 5-6 turns, Nameless Inversion will greatly outplay any other standard removal spell out there in this deck.
I do love Collected Company. I built my first tribal knight deck around it (For Honor and Glory!!!) and try to find a place for it where ever I can! I was running a full playset but dropped two copies to make room for Eldritch Evolution as I wanted to try that out to see how it faired. Now you have caused the dilemma of having to test drive Pyre of Heroes as well!
Agreed on Knight of Autumn. She is actually the only reason I created this Abzan version of the Haakon deck. The original was the Mardu version but I lover her versatility. Few things are more rewarding that watching my opponent cast a high CMC enchantment or artifact only to destroy it with Knight of Autumn!
On the debate of Pyre of Heroes vs Eldritch Evolution I think you may be right...I like the idea of being able to cast it T2 and use it on T3 with any creature I sacrifice being able to be resurrected whenever I desire. Definitely going to try it out over the next couple of weeks as it as merit. Not sure I would drop Aether Vial for it though, those free up my mana for dropping creatures and spells or just let me drop multiple creatures per turn if needed.
Two of the four honorary mentions you listed originally were in the deck. I dropped Knight of the Ebon Legion and Knight of the Reliquary as they just did not feel optimal in this deck. Murderous Rider is great but when he dies he gets shuffled into the library which is counter-productive for this deck but I do love that card. I have a similar relationship with Knights' Charge, love the card on principal but just seems so slow in practice. I do see your point though in terms of it having some merit in a aggro knight deck built around letting creatures die or be sacrificed...I will add that to the maybe list...liking it more as I think about the possibilities.
Sorry for the long comment but thanks for the feedback and suggestions! As I mentioned, good stuff!
3 months ago
Hey, really nice budget version on less than $200. You have excellent deck building skills on a such a low budget. Calling this a $100 deck is a stretch though since it's closer to $200 now than $100.
The manabase has been neglected, really none of the $100 budget used, that's my only criticism. Allocate some of $100 budget, not even a lot, to lands to improve gameplay? Talisman of Indulgence, Flameshadow Conjuring, Fable of the Mirror-Breaker Flip these cards really don't matter in the scheme of things trying to combo with Alesha. You have Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Fable is a lesser/more expensive Kiki that doesn't interact with Alesha. Conjuring only combos with Felidar Guardian, but so does Kiki and Kiki combos with a lot of other cards too.
The combined price of these three cards is almost $30, that much could really improve the manabase.
- Exotic Orchard
- Caves of Koilos
- Battlefield Forge
- Sulfurous Springs: reprinted in Dominaria United, down to $2
- Fetid Heath
- Rugged Prairie
- Smoldering Marsh
- Opal Palace
- Foreboding Ruins
- Shineshadow Snarl
- Furycalm Snarl
These are least expensive playable lands to consider adding. On a budget the Reveal/Snarl lands are fine since playing many basic lands. The next tier of budget land upgrades are the Check lands at $5 each. After them it goes much higher.
Some budget card changes to consider:
- Goblin Bombardment --> Fable of the Mirror-Breaker
- Cultist of the Absolute --> Flameshadow Conjuring
- Skyclave Apparition --> Strionic Resonator
- Gravelighter --> Bone Shredder
- Victimize --> Rally the Ancestors
- Fellwar Stone or Orzhov Signet --> Talisman of Indulgence
Goblin Bombardment is one of the best sac outlets in Commander since it's also a wincon, replacing the need to have an aristocrat with combos. Cultist of the Absolute is amazing for one mana, giving Alesha flying with 6 power combined with first strike and being a repeatable sac outlet at your upkeep. Skyclave Apparition just got reprinted and it's excellent repeatable exile most nonland permanent effect.
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
I’ve been toying with a similar concept here, which might help inspire you.
One thing i’ve noticed is there’s no real point in attacking an opponents hand & land - if you destroy their landbase then discard doesn’t achieve anything (they can’t cast spells anyway), and similarly if you have loads of hand disruption then there’s not a lot to gain from also targetting their lands (they have nothing worth casting).
The other thing, turn 2 Smallpox with Flagstones of Trokair out feels amazing. You want to have a decent number of that land, as well as Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Fetid Heath, to give yourself the best possible odds of living that dream
4 months ago
I do have some suggestions I think may help with the mana base: First Boros Garrison and friends. These are only good if you A) already have a comes-into-play-untapped land out B) tap that CITP-untapped land for mana and C) wait to play your land until second main phase. That's already a bit restrictive. I think you can do a bit better if you use things like: Caves of Koilos, Fetid Heath, Graven Cairns, Rugged Prairie.
If you have the $$$ for it, Smothering Tithe is also an excellent mana ramp card. I've played like 2 games with it ever where it doesn't pay for itself and another two cards, at least (yes, my playgroup does not run enough enchantment removal. I remind them of this a lot).
6 months ago
Been a while since I have seen this deck cycled! How have the changes been playing out? Feeling like the deck has got its competitive edge back yet?
My only suggestion with the changes would be maybe dropping something else in for Caves of Koilos. I mean, you are running fetch, shock, and triome lands so I am surprised to see that in there. I would think Silent Clearing being a similar pain land but with draw potential or a filter land like Fetid Heath would be better choices. Another option would be to add in a pathway land like Brightclimb Pathway Flip as Caves of Koilos are not fetchable anyways. That would reduce the amount of pain lands you are running which may be a good idea.
8 months ago
haha hey i did it markt te cards lets gooo learning
i bought these can you guys help me with looking for witch one to take out first
8 months ago
i bought some lands Needleverge Pathway Pillarverge Pathway Concealed Courtyard card:Brightclimb Pathway // Grimclimb Pathway Blightstep Pathway Searstep Pathway Inspiring Vantage Rugged Prairie Fetid Heath Graven Cairns
i hope this get my deck steaming dor a while you guys can help me witch one i need to get out of my deck for these ones
8 months ago
DreadKhan makes valid points.
I prefer to run shocks, Core set, and filter lands (like Godless Shrine, Isolated Chapel and Fetid Heath respectively) as well as the flip lands (Brightclimb Pathway Flip for example). I wish I could justify getting cards like Plateau
There are other ways of making a good land base as DreadKhan mentions. The recent Innistrad set Dual lands are pretty good and hopefully the commander lands will drop in price once Baldur's Gate hits. Shock lands aren't too pricey these days, save for a couple of them. They have been reprinted several times. The Strixhaven lands are also pretty good.
I have recently updated my Isshin list if it helps give you some ideas: Obi-Wan Can Blow Me. I went more midrange with it and it runs amazingly.