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Project Image — When Astral Dragon enters the battlefield, create two tokens that are copies of target noncreature permanent, except they’re 3/3 Dragon creatures in addition to their other types, and they have flying.
plakjekaas on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
2 months ago
No, she doesn't shut down shocklands. Paying life for your shockland is not a trigger. It does not use the stack, you cannot react to it, just like you can't react to the creature type being named with a Cavern of Souls. Because the oracle text says "As ... enters the battlefield" not "When ... enters the battlefield".
It looks like the people defending her never played with Tocatli Honor Guard, Hushbringer, Torpor Orb or Hushwing Gryff and have no idea what the oracle text actually means. And Norn is worse, since it's every permanent entering the battlefield, not just creatures. Like Strict Proctor.
TypicalTimmy I looked at your Miirym deck, here's the "occasional benefits" Elesh Norn is actually going to shut down or interfere with:
That's a lot of synergy, ramp, carddraw and wincons shut down by a commander. About 1/3rd of all your nonland cards. And that deck is going to have a hard time removing her too, by the looks of it.
Now there are a few cards that get better playing against Norn: bouncelands like Boros Garrison don't return lands to hand anymore, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger doesn't need to sacrifice itself, but effects like those are not enough to catch up with the Norn player.
What's this "no game-winning effects in white" everyone is talking about? Cathars' Crusade will end the game in a hurry, especially if you pair it up with something like Blessed Sanctuary. Double up on every O-ring effect. Stonehorn Dignitary will keep you alive, especially if you play Teleportation Circle and Conjurer's Closet, as one definitely will in this deck. Felidar Retreat and Emeria Shepherd with all your Land Tax effects will snowball into an enormous boardstate easily. Solitude will rule the table. Sun Titan is still one of the most played white creatures for a reason. For carddraw that white wasn't supposed to have, Spirited Companion, Carrier Pigeons, Combat Thresher, Farsight Adept, Inspiring Overseer, Mentor of the Meek, Priest of Ancient Lore, Resistance Squad, Roving Harper, Rumor Gatherer, Search Party Captain, Skyscanner, Thraben Inspector, Wall of Omens all double up with Norn. Because everyone memed that white is a bad colour, nobody seems to know what the color has to offer. It could already hold its own without such a saltmine of a card for the command zone, and if you need this middle finger to half the popular deck archetypes to even consider building it, you do you, but prepare to be avoided.
multimedia on Miirym Dragon Tribal Deck
3 months ago
Hey, well done so far for a first deck with a $500+ budget.
34 lands and only 9 reliable ramp sources is low for Dragons. The land count is fine, but only if you add more low mana cost ramp. Add more lands or add more ramp? Tempt with Discovery relies on opponents to be ramp and Thaumatic Compass Flip relies on you controlling seven or more lands to be ramp. These aren't reliable as ramp and they cost too much mana for what you get.
In simplest terms there's two areas you want most with Miirym, ramp and Dragons. Ramp to first cast 6 mana Miirym and Dragons to cast after Miirym. Of course you want other areas too, but most important are these two. Consider expanding on ramp?
- Nature's Lore, Farseek
- Cursed Mirror
- Jade Orb of Dragonkind, Fellwar Stone
- Shadow in the Warp
- Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Nature's Lore, Farseek are more good two drop land ramp like Three Visits. Cursed Mirror is excellent with blink, if you blink the copied creature then that blinks Mirror which can then ETB as a copy of some other creature including an opponent's creature. You can also choose to have it just ETB as a mana rock which is needed for a combo.
Jade Orb of Dragonkind gives protection from targeted removal until your next turn for the Dragon you cast with it. This effect is helpful since paying a lot of mana to cast a Dragon to then have it killed is feels bad. Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner untap ability is versatile, any permanent you control, it's also repeatable draw when a Dragon ETB including a token.
There's 100+ of different Dragons you could play with a $500+ budget and having Old Gnawbone as a price point? Consider upgrading some Dragons?
These Dragons can be parts of wincon combos and they're made much better thanks to Miiryn copying them. All these Dragons don't break the bank and adding them can really increase the power level of your deck.
- Hellkite Charger + Old Gnawbone = infinite combat steps, attacks.
- Astral Dragon + Cursed Mirror = infinite Astrals with haste.
- Niv-Mizzet, Parun + Tandem Lookout = draw as much of your library as you want.
- Wrathful Red Dragon + Blasphemous Act = do a ton of damage to opponents.
What's nice about these combos are they all use a Dragon. All the cards are good by themselves, but with the Dragon and/or Miirym they're much better. Tandem Lookout can be repeatable draw that can change creature it's bonded too. Bond to any creature you control before Miirym, then bond to Miirym and when you're ready bond to Niv-Mizzet. Bond to any Dragon who can do repeatable noncombat damage to opponents such as Scourge of Valkas for lots of draw.
- Goldspan Dragon, Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient
- Iymrith, Desert Doom, Ancient Silver Dragon
- Steel Hellkite
Getting more value: ramp, draw or removal from Dragons can help gameplay. Steel Hellkite + Old Gnawbone/Savage Ventmaw mana can wreck especially when you have multiple Hellkites.
If you're interested I offer more advice in another comment. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
ZoDoneRightNow on So... Miirym + Astral Dragon …
6 months ago
The recursive function that models this question is: find f(32) given:
f(0) = 5
f(x) = f(x-1) + 2 ^ (f(x-1) + 1)
Explanation of the function:
f(0) = 5 because when the first Astral Dragon comes into play it makes 2 Parallel Lives which is doubled to 4. 4 + 1 = 5. We are looking for f(32) because 2^5 Astral Dragons are created by Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm because we have 5 PLs in play.
f(x) = f(x-1) + 2 ^ (f(x-1) + 1) because the number of Parallel Livess after each Astral Dragon enters = Number of existing Parallel Livess + number of new Parallel Livess (2 ^ (f(x-1) + 1)). The number of new Parallel Livess is (2 ^ (f(x-1) + 1)) because Astral Dragon creates 2 which is doubled a number of times = existing Parallel Livess
I plugged this function into Hypercalc, a calculator for very large numbers ()
The answer is 30 PT (3.553934904655 × 10^20)
Which means a power tower of 10s, 30 high with (3.553934904655 × 10^20) on top ie: 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^(3.553934904655 × 10^20)
multimedia on Miirym’s Temur Dragons
6 months ago
Hellkite Charger could replace Skanos Dragonheart? Both these Dragons want to attack to trigger abilities, but Skanos needs other Dragons to make it good, Charger doesn't. Skanos can't pump itself and doesn't have evasion, Charger can be part of a combo Skanos can't. Thrakkus the Butcher is a better five drop Dragon with trample who pumps itself as well as all other Dragons you control.
There's another combo you could add that creates infinite Dragons with Astral Dragon and the enabler Cursed Mirror provides a wincon, haste to attack. Could of course have other wincons: Scourge of Valkas, Dragon Tempest or Warstorm Surge. Mirror is a good card, you wouldn't just be adding it for the combo, it's a mana rock that if it becomes a Dragon when it enters then Miirym can copy it.
When you control Cursed Mirror that's not a creature have Astral Dragon enter and copy Mirror. The Mirror tokens then enter as Astral and copy original Mirror that's not a creature and repeat. This creates a loop of Astral and Mirror making copies of each other, each copy of Mirror is a 4/4 Astral Dragon with haste. To break the loop stop copying Mirror with Astral, copy something else.
Sarkhan Unbroken would be another fine upgrade, but not when on a budget. $25 for a nonDragon creature card when on a budget seems not a good use of funds. For $25 you could improve the manabase with many land upgrades Reflecting Pool, more Pain lands (Yavimaya Coast, Shivan Reef), some Bond lands (Spire Garden), some Filter lands (Flooded Grove) or some Check lands (Sulfur Falls, Rootbound Crag). In my opinion when on a budget allocating some of the budget for good lands is more important than adding flashy cards such as Sarkhan.
Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner is less powerful than Sarkhan, but it's also less than $2. Kiora can still do much work as another Temur Ascendancy draw effect as well as give you 7 turns of ramp that can untap any permanent including Sol Ring or an Orb.
Shamanic Revelation could be a cut for some lower mana cost draw since you're more likely to have a higher power Dragon then that same number of Dragon creatures. That's what makes Return of the Wildspeaker and Rishkar's Expertise good draw with Dragons is they have high power. Revelation is better when playing little tribal creatures such as Elves which tend to have quantity of creatures rather than single creature with high power.
TypicalTimmy on I just discovered accidental infinite …
6 months ago
legendofa In a game earlier, I had Astral Dragon copy Gratuitous Violence with Miirym and Adrix and Nev, Twincasters out and swung with enough damage to kill a nation
legendofa on I just discovered accidental infinite …
6 months ago
It takes a couple more cards, but if you add Deadeye Navigator, a permanent that taps for + another mana, and a haste granter like Fervor or Concordant Crossroads, you got infinite tokens that can tap to untap stuff.
With Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm and Fervor out and Nimbleclaw Adept bonded with Navigator, flicker Adept. It enters, and Miirym creates a token copy. Tap the original Adept to untap your blue + X land and something else. Repeat as needed.
Or just do nonsense with Astral Dragon and Doubling Season until you outnumber the universe.
Forkbeard on Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm: Double Dragon
6 months ago
Ha, that's definitely a funny interaction to watch out for Slashdance. I shall take heed! I've had great success with Astral Dragon so far - even just copying a mana rock is decent value (the dream is Cursed Mirror but I haven't been able to make that happen yet). Super cool card & I want a playmat of that gorgeous art.
Slashdance on Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm: Double Dragon
6 months ago
I would be wary of having Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm + Doubling Season out and casting Astral Dragon (if your plans are to copy Doubling Season) ... while also having Elemental Bond in play.
In short order you could draw through your deck before you had time to initiate an attack with near-infinite 3/3 dragons out.
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