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When Narcomoeba is put into your graveyard from your library, you may put it onto the battlefield.
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6 days ago
This is Really REALLY unreliable but this is the best I think you will get:
Turn 1 on the play:
Add 2x green to you pool from the chancellors. GG in pool
exile Simian Spirit Guide. RGG in pool.
Use RG for Desperate Ritual. RRRG in pool
Use RR for Burning-Tree Emissary. RRGG in pool Emissary in play
Put Balustrade Spy into play. R in pool
Mill deck. 4x Narcomoeba into play R in Pool
3x narcoemeba 4x zombie token in play
Endless Obedience into hand.
Convoke any 6x creatures for Endless Obedience.
Target Angel of Glory's Rise.
Tap Azami, Lady of Scrolls to win the game.
6 days ago
Not too long ago, I took to this forum with an idea. I had just had a friend of mien explain legacy Oops, All Spells to me. Fascinated, I wanted to see if there was a way to build it in modern. So I built VialDredge (Modern All Spells). The deck used fast-mana to drop Aether Vial which you needed in your opening hand. You then somehow needed to start dredging and draw into Endless Obedience to get Balustrade Spy, then cast another Endless Obedience to win. It was a cute idea. Won on maybe turn eight, nine or ten at best.
I was recently clearing out all my old decks when I came across this old deck, which I had;t given any thought to in over a year. And I realized, Holy Shit, I can do this without Aether Vial!
Here's how my new-and-improved modern all-spells works. Draw to eight, discard, begin dredging. Once you have enough creatures that come into play from the grave (Prized Amalgam, Narcomoeba), cast Endless Obedience to reanimate Angel of Glory's Rise. Angel of Glory's Rise must reanimate at least one of each of the following: at least one Undercity Informer, at least one Snapcaster Mage or [[eternal witness], and at least one Wild Cantor or Burning-Tree Emissary. First, use Snapcaster Mage/Eternal Witness to allow us to recast our now-resolved Endless Obedience. Then, use the mana from Wild Cantor/Burning-Tree Emissary with Undercity Informer to sacrifice Angel of Glory's Rise and deck yourself. When decking ourselves, we get the rest of our narocmoebas, and then use the mana remaining from our Wild Cantors/Burning-Tree Emissarys (that were reanimated with our first Angel of Glory's Rise) with Undercity Informer to sacrifice any number of creatures and get a zombie tokens with Bridge from Below. We then recast Endless Obedience from our graveyard or hand, reanimate Angel of Glory's Rise, and return Laboratory Maniac and Eternal Witness and all other humans to the battlefield. Eternal Witness gets us to hand Street Wraith, which we cycle to win.
Did you follow that? If you did, I applaud you. Here's my build:
Now that I have a more consistent combo, I'm looking for advice. Do any other Narcomoeba-type cards exist? What should my deckles look like? All feedback appreciated, but that is really what I am looking for.
2 weeks ago
It's a great deck, but I don't think your turn 2 win actually works. You can't equip an Equipment artifact to the creature it's already on, nor can you simply remove it and re-equip it. It has to go onto another creature you control. If equipping your Cephalid Illusionist mills over one of the Narcomoeba, you can start bouncing the Shuko between them, but otherwise the turn 2 win isn't a thing. Also, I'd recomend replacing two of your cards for more Trinket Mages. It's your most reliable way of getting a Shuko. Oh, and consider Thought Scour. Great card for your deck, I'd think. You run the risk of milling a Shuko though, so it's up to you.
2 weeks ago
I completely understand its uses. The twisted mess of math behind this deck, however, makes things a little more difficult. I am actually unsure of how to explain this to someone who hasn't done some 500+ test plays wile recording the data so please bear with me.
The idea with a deck like this would be to get it to go off as fast as possible. As in turn 1. Each subsequent turn drastically lowers your chances of this. The faster you can get it going the lower your chances of being disrupted are. This is made ever more imperative with the choice to use Summoner's Pact as by the following turn if you haven't won you have now lost. Thus I chose to leave Summoner's Pact out of my decks Demoralizer and Bookwurm. This, however, is personal preference based off my uncanny ability to have the worst of luck.
So lets look at what you need in your hand.
Best case scenario you end up with Lotus Petal Dark Ritual and another one mana single card. You could, however, have Chrome Mox and also need a card to exile for the imprint. What if you don't have Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox + throw away black card? How about no Dark Ritual? Wild Cantor adds another card to the lineup. While Manamorphose will also do this for you and allow you to draw another card it has its own problems which I will likely cover (if I don't forget).
So we are now up to 4 needed cards in a best case scenario. As stated above and also corroborated in the "Statistics" section of Demoralizer, there is only about a 40% chance of a turn 1 win. Thus you would need to mulligan in order to get the cards you need while sacrificing hand size. This is where I put more of my stock in the gamble. However you lose hand size in the process.
Now add in the chances that you have more than 1 card that can't be in your hand (Angel of Glory's Rise Laboratory Maniac Azami, Lady of Scrolls and also Narcomoeba though it does you no good to discard Narcomoeba). Thus the likelihood of needing to use more than one Cabal Therapy on yourself just decreased drastically.
Yes I understand that you still have the option to use it on your opponent. However the only card that allows you to look at your opponent's hand is Gitaxian Probe, which there are only 4 of in the deck. Without it you are playing yet another game of chance. I also understand that you may know the type of deck your opponent is playing as people tend to stick very much to the meta in Legacy but you are still taking a gamble. What if you choose the wrong one? The likelihood of even getting to a point where you would take that gamble prior to casting by paying the flashback cost is next to none and by the time you would have cast with flashback they likely would have disrupted you already anyway.
Basically, this deck has no solutions for pushing into mid or late game. Remember, on the whole, Legacy is a turn 3 win format. If you can't get it to go off immediately you will lose. Spending 1 needed mana on a gamble that will likely push you into turn 4+ situation is not conducive to the play style of this deck. Personally it is a gamble I wouldn't take.
While Cabal Therapy IS a very important, nay necessary part of this deck, I just can't get behind having more than 2 in the deck. It is better to rely on mulligans to get the hand that you need. Then again you know my feelings on Summoner's Pact.
On a side note. Using Manamorphose can also be a bit of a gamble as you have no way of storing that 2 mana if you don't get the card you need. This can also push you into a turn 4+ situation.
1 month ago
I'd definitely nix the Aluren combo moving forward, as none of the cards really have a place in the deck outside of the combo.
Basalt + Mesmeric Orb is a good wincon, but I would consider changing the finisher. One of the coolest things I've seen in a Tasigur deck was using Basalt + Orb or just Hermit Druid to mill your deck, which puts Narcomoeba onto the battlefield. for you can unearth Fatestitcher, use it to untap a black source and cast Tasigur. Dread Return targeting Necrotic Ooze. If you have Thornling, Devoted Druid, and Quillspike in your grave you make infinite mana. With Tasigur, you get to add your entire grave back to hand, then cast everything. You could also just win with Prodigal Sorcerer, but I think its a waste when your commander does what it does. There are plenty of ways to win off of casting infinite spells over and over again. One I like is casting Dimir Signet, filtering one of your infinite green mana into blue and black, then Nature's Claiming it. Use Tasigur to bring them back over and over again. Finally finish everybody off with something like Stroke of Genius or Damnable Pact.
If you feel like running true Cehphalid Breakfast in EDH, you can play Cephalid Illusionist + Lightning Greaves. This also mills you out instantly if you have another creature, and you won't have to pay mana to give Ooze haste.
Reanimator isn't inherently bad for you (turn one Jin is glorious), but it doesn't seem like the plan you usually want to be on. Breakfast combo might not be what you're looking for though, so if you don't go with that, Tooth and Nail is a pretty good finisher that is commonly seen in BUG decks (*looks upwards at the primer).
2 months ago
Now Ooze has Devoted Druid's ability to untap itself by putting a -1/-1 counter on itself an Morselhoarder's ability to remove -1/-1 counters to get mana. It also has Spikeshot Elder's ability to do a bunch of damage given mana.
3 months ago
Hey whyundead3, thanks for the feedback. I agree in making it as competitive as possible, casual or not. Winning fast is winning fun, right?
The usefulness of Rally the Ancestors I'd overlooked. Rule 603.7C was something I had missed, so from here on out please consider mentions of Rally the Ancestors and Immortal Servitude to be one and the same unless otherwise specified. The same is true for Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat, although I was aware of the former, merely passing over it.
I do agree that the deck does nothing until Immortal Servitude goes off. It is stalling until that point when it goes off and hopefully wins. Adding in Augur of Bolas and/or Screeching Skaab gives it board presence before then, which is something I had been considering. There's not much to do about this, short of changing the game plan away from Immortal Servitude, which I should have gone into.
This is actually the third iteration of the deck I've looked at. The first version was a RBW setup that looked to power out and up a Quest for the Gravelord or Mortician Beetle as fast as possible. This is similar to your thoughts on Carrion Feeder. When I was looking at that setup I'd considered either using the same sacrifice outlets you listed, or one-drop self-sacrificing creatures like the Mogg Fanatic still in the MaybeBoard. I settled on the latter as it was more difficult to disrupt via removal and could get some additional speed through Kuldotha Rebirth and Infernal Plunge, as both sacrifice setups work best feeding on Ornithopter and Memnite.This was great in concept, except in researching it I found an identical setup that could power out a T2 win through different means
I like some of the options you've brought up, namely the Doomed Traveler, as it gives me another target for Qarsi Sadist immediately, a repeat chump-blocker, or could power another scheme for damage like you're thinking. Pawn of Ulamog also plays nicely into this. The under-performing Inquisitor Exarch does stand to be replaced by something more useful.
The alternatives to Taigam's Scheming I am not sold on however. While it is true that they don't actually do anything to the game, like put cards in hand, they do optimize Pieces of the Puzzle, which is wonderful. My main thing is simply that, as a two-drop, I can put 5 + 1 cards into the graveyard. I don't think anything else beats this ratio short of a good Mind Funeral somehow cast on myself. If there's a faster method you're aware of, by all means. I didn't look greatly into targeting myself with mill cards, only ones that give me some control over what remains in my library/goes to my hand.
I do like Forbidden Alchemy, but for my purposes it's a worse version of Pieces of the Puzzle, albeit a worse copy 5 - 8 of the card. Thought Scour is in a similar situation when compared to Screeching Skaab, as the reduced mana cost and self-replacing nature just doesn't suit my needs as well as a 2/1 body. It's a good card, just not for my needs. Fact or Fiction is just too expensive. Two castings of Taigam's Scheming fills the graveyard far better and doesn't give my opponent any influence.
We're in the same line of thought with Taigam's Scheming just not doing as much as it could. I'd looked at building this in Green using Gather the Pack, Commune with the Gods, and Satyr Wayfinder, but that setup just works better with the typical Dredge creature suite of Bloodghast, Narcomoeba, Prized Amalgam, etc. These cards have the benefit of refilling my hand, but I'm just not using the right creature strategy to make this deck work in Green.
As for Black mana sources, I definitely agree. Even in this current build I have no reason not to split my Plains and go 50:50 with Swamps.
Overall, I appreciate the input. I have been sitting on a playset of Dark Prophecy, Deathgreeter, Lingering Souls, and Teysa, Orzhov Scion that play nicely with some of the ideas you've dropped here, even if that wasn't the intent. Plus you caught some critical mistakes I'd made in this deck.Cheers.
3 months ago
Rooftop storm in general is a must here though. Even if you ignore my other cards for the love of god put it in. You already have havengul lich and Sidisi, Undead Vizier with the storm you can tutor for each 1 mana you have access to