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|2011 Core Set (M11)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Rat
Relentless Rats gets +1/+1 for each other creature on the battlefield named Relentless Rats.
A deck can have any number of cards named Relentless Rats.
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Relentless Rats Discussion
2 weeks ago
I've been unhappy with my dimir deck that i have in real life for a long time. Milling is just too common nowadays and not fun anymore. So I just wanted to make a fun gimmick that revolves around Sphinx of the Chimes. Weird, right? Well, that's the idea by having Library of Leng and either Shadowborn Apostles or Relentless Rats, preferably the apostles since they're cheaper, not only in mana cost but in price as well.
The way this works is that you discard 2 Shadowborn Apostles from Sphinx of the Chimes's ability to the top of your deck using Library of Leng. You can then draw 4 cards, 2 of which are the apostles, then repeat this process as many times as you like. You then drop Laboratory Maniac and win. Weird, fun, and a bit of a glass cannon.
The problem is, I'm not sure how else I want to construct this deck. Do I have other stuff in case it gets countered? Do I go for a more control style deck? And if so, how many counter spells are too many? (I usually don't play control, so I'm not the best at balance) And if I do go control, does it go against the casual way?
Commander / EDH*
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If anyone has suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them. The thing is, I'd like to keep the deck under $100, maybe $150 if I already have some of the cards on hand. I don't want to go too overboard on the deck.
3 months ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
4 months ago
I love the discard sub-theme going on here! I'm a huge fan of Relentless Rats in EDH and have two decks devoted to them.
Have you given thought to Torment of Hailfire for this deck?
Looks fun! Enjoy!
5 months ago
When Magic was first released, the 4-of rule didn't exist because Richard Garfield didn't think that many people would buy that many packs. I believe, back in the day, the deck to play was like 20 Black Lotus and 40 Lightning Bolts or something like that (when it was only alpha of course). That's why cards like Plague Rats don't have the text of Relentless Rats.
5 months ago
I'm beginning to feel that Relentless Rats are the only way to make my deck viable!