, Exile two creature cards in a single graveyard from the game: Put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token into play.
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|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
|Masters Edition II (ME2)||Uncommon|
|Fallen Empires (FEM)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Night Soil occurrence in decks from the last year
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Night Soil Discussion
2 months ago
Ah, tokens! Initiate the throng, then fulminate as such.
I have many suggestions.
Now, typically I am an advocate for running fewer lands in decks, however, this deck has an excruciatingly low amount of card draw. Either make way for lands or add a half-dozen cantrips.
You have many anthems, some of which are quite lacking in my opinion. Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw, Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon", Selesnya Guildmage, Oakhame Ranger, Ahn-Crop Champion, Cultivator of Blades, Valor in Akros, Spear of Heliod, and Dragon Throne of Tarkir are all quite mana-hungry and little impact. They depend on a board state to work, and without one they verge on useless. I would like to call out Call for Unity in particular as being incredibly slow and capricious.
Avoid Fate is interesting, but it doesn't do a lot. Many of the cards in here are restrictive depending on board state, thus I would cut this.
For what I would include, Rootborn Defenses defends the board, Druids' Repository adds far too much mana, Aura Shards and Aura Mutation shatter and batter, Hour of Reckoning kills many things, Increasing Devotion allows for rebounding eftsoons wrath, Master of the Wild Hunt is one I particularly enjoy, Sprout Swarm is difficult to interact with, Sigarda, Heron's Grace has early and late-game potential, and Devout Invocation creates tokens abound. Triumph of the Hordes can just wipe out an entire table.
This deck has almost no card draw. Mentor of the Meek, Skullclamp, and Huatli, Radiant Champion can draw many, many cards. When you get to it, Sylvan Library is fantastic. Harmonize, Slate of Ancestry, Shamanic Revelation, Collective Unconscious are ways to refill in preparation of a board wipe.
Beast Whisperer is just good value.
I would recommend far more ramp. Llanowar Elves, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Fyndhorn Elves, Elvish Mystic, and/or Birds of Paradise. Incredibly quick if you get them out turn one, and oft set you far ahead enough that it doesn't matter when you get wrathed.
That shall be all from me. If you so wish, I have two swarm decks that you could reference for honing your build, each of which have tested well for the years I have had them.
May fortune betide you, and the tokens your enemies. Farewell!
2 months ago
Hey, nice budget version of Ghave.
The color fixing in the manabase can be improved on a budget. Command Tower is a staple land for multicolored decks in Commander. Exotic Orchard is another staple land for mutlicolored in multiplayer Commander. Sandsteppe Citadel is the Abzan Tri land and Murmuring Bosk is another Abzan Tri land. Ash Barrens can be cycled for any basic land.
Skullclamp is very good with 1/1 tokens because when you equip it to a 1/1 token that token dies and you draw two cards. This interaction is repeatable as long as you have a token meaning Clamp can draw a lot of cards for very little mana investment. To make room in the budget for Skullclamp consider cutting Stonecoil Serpent? Stonecoil is not a bad card, but it has much less overall impact then Skullclamp would.
You could improve upon the aristocrat strategy on a budget by adding persist creatures and some enablers to abuse persist.
Ghave is good with persist creatures because he can put a +1/+1 on them which cancels out the -1/-1 counter. This is the interaction that can abuse persist since if the persist creature doesn't have a -1/-1 counter then it can keep dying and returning the battlefield. Good-Fortune Unicorn is the combo enabler with a creature with persist to remove the -1/-1 counter with a +1/+1 counter when the persist creature ETB (enters the battlefield). This counter interaction cancels out the counter leaving the creature with no counter allowing it to keep dying and returning.
With Ghave or another sac outlet such as Carrion Feeder you can keep sacing Finks/Clique and they keep returning to the battlefield. This combo is good with an aristocrat such as Zulaport Cutthroat because then each time Finks/Clique dies your opponents are losing life and they keep dying. With Ghave as the sac outlet then you can also put a lot of counters on Ghave or another creature which can fuel more Saps with Ghave.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Not a huge fan of Jace's Erasure . If they've let me gain infinate mana I can just respond to whatever they draw and make them deck themselves. I cannot think of anything that would stop me that's a common. I do like Crashing Drawbridge as a haste enabler; though outside of that function I'm not sure it's all that great I'd need to test it. Sprout Swarm is an alternative win condition just incase; it's not a primary win condition so I'm not sure If id want to dedicate more slots to it. Qurion ranger was in my initial draft of this deck but I kinda decided against it because I wanted more dig cards. Deep Analysis was also a consideration but Foresee and Tamiyo's Epiphany allow us to look deeper into the deck and smooth out the drawa; I wanted consistency over just raw cards. I was actually going to add mystic sancuary after seeing it in a naru mecha deck just hadn't gotten around to it; very cool card but wondering if 10 islands will be enough to get its effect. Displace is a cool back up and adds redundancy I'll probably try it. I'm still trying to get people at my lgs back into commander so I think Night Soil is a pretty sweet tech card but I'm not sure how my meta will shape up. Like Mystic Remora is a great card but sometimes I swap it out because people at my lgs like their creature based tribal decks. Also, this isn't a heavy flicker deck. We only really flicker to combo not for value; while I like those cards I dont think they fit in this shell. I did consider the other cards you mentioned as well but space is tight and I like being more proactive than disruptive. Anyways, thanks for the suggestions:)
3 months ago
Great deck! I do think that Ley/Lore Weaver is probably the best Commander in PDH to date, especially when it comes to combo-control gameplay.
The fact that you have access to these combo pieces in your command zone leaves me wondering why you run so many extra "copies" of them in your mainboard. I am especially curious about the land untappers, since they are generally pretty bad when it comes to ramp. You can afford to cut out most of these cards in exchange for more draw/counters/better ramp, in my opinion. The only ones I think are worth keeping are Arbor Elf and Voyaging Satyr.
Aside from that, I have a few suggestions. Jace's Erasure might be worth running in order to not have to give your opponent the card draw to mill them out with Lore Weaver.
If you do plan on keeping all your untappers, I would suggest Crashing Drawbridge . Not only will it let you go mana positive on many of your untappers depending on how many auras you have, but it also lets you instantly-win with Sprout Swarm.
Quirion Ranger can untap your untappers and give you another land drop and ramp on its own.
Deep Analysis Should definitely be in here if you're playing cards like Tamiyo's Epiphany.
Mystic Sanctuary is an easy inclusion with your flicker sub-theme and bouncing.
Pulse of Murasa is a card that sees a lot of play in tron decks in regular pauper and is a great way to get back lost combo pieces and give you a bit of life. It's also a great card to get back with Archaeomancer and ilk.
It's always nice to have a back-up Flicker to combo off with. Displace Fits the bill perfectly.
Some graveyard hate would be nice. I like Night Soil in green decks.
Fathom Seer does a decent Gush impression, if you're looking for more card draw.
3 months ago
I was actually just designing a deck much like this a few days ago, although I was looking at GW because I considered Pallid Mycoderm to be superior to Deathspore Thallid (-1/-1 one of their creatures vs. +1/+1 all of mine). White also gives you access to Selesnya Evangel , although Night Soil may be better in many situations.
If you do stay with black, I would consider adding Fungal Infection as a cheap chump blocker removal that also gains you a Saproling, vs. Deathspore which costs you one. I would also consider Tukatongue Thallid as an early two-for-one.
As far as lands, dual lands should help make your mana base more reliable. I’d recommend Jungle Hollow or Golgari Rot Farm . If you’re looking for ETB effects, you could try Khalni Garden , Turntimber Grove , Fertile Thicket , Gingerbread Cabin , Bojuka Bog , Mortuary Mire , and Witch's Cottage .
5 months ago
Awesome strategy! Mass dredge decks often go unfettered because nobody thinks to run graveyard hate.
May I recommend Nihil Spellbomb ? I tend to prefer it over Tormod's Crypt . Jarad's Orders is both flavorful and effective, Night Soil is interesting, Victimize is horrendously efficient, Grisly Salvage can dig for lands and stock the yard, Chain of Smog is hilariously underrated and great for politics (use with care), Millikin can mill and ramp, and Spider Spawning grants a small army.
Shall your games be cadaverous!
6 months ago
Cool idea for a deck! I think you could try to build around your commander even more.
In your mana base, a very easy inclusion would be all the cycling lands. Desert of the Fervent , Desert of the Indomitable, Tranquil Thicket , Slippery Karst and Smoldering Crater are great for Gruul decks to have anyways because of the lack of card draw and they work super well with your commander.
All the Dredge stuff would be great in the deck. You already have Brownscale, but you could use Shenanigans (there's always a target), Moldervine Cloak and Greater Mossdog all give you consistent action in the late game that will also power up your damage.
There are tons of self-mill cards that are worth running for card advantage. Lead the Stampede , Beast Hunt , Benefaction of Rhonas , Commune with the Gods , Kruphix's Insight , Scout the Borders all work at varying degrees of efficiency. If you ran a few more enchantments (which wouldn't be hard to do), this could actually be a great way to stock your graveyard and give you tons of action throughout the game.
With that in mind, almost every Flashback card is probably worth running. Same goes with Retrace and Jump-Start. These will give you so many options over the course of the game and be an extension to your hand.
Book Burning Targeting yourself is a pretty good way to stock the graveyard quickly, unless an opponent wants to take 6, which is also nice.
Chainflinger is decent in PDH and would fit nicely in a deck like yours.
Firebolt is very good in general and gets even better if you're milling it into your graveyard.
Fortitude can make a big creature a bigger problem and feed your graveyard lands.
Mother Bear seems like a good fit, like most cards that generate value in the graveyard.
Elven Cache is a great card to have in green PDH. It doesn't cost you a draw like Reclaim does, which justifies the mana cost, in my opinion.
Is Renewal to janky? Cantripping and fixing your mana might not be worth 3 mana, but it does move your gameplan forward somewhat.
A lot of the cards in your maybeboard are cards I think you should actually play. Excavating Anurid is quite strong. A 5/5 vigilance that cantrips at almost no downside for you is really good. Igneous Elemental is comparable to Flametongue Kavu in many scenarios. All your burn and removal that requires sacrificing creatures or lands is also good for your game plan. Quicksand has no downside in your mana base.
In general, I think having more creature-based ramp might be better than sorcery or artifact ones, unless they sac lands. Rampant Growth, Land Grant, Search for Tomorrow, Renegade Map and Armillary Sphere seem like they would be stronger as mana dorks. Zhur-Taa Druid and Silhana Starfletcher are both cards that do a lot of work in PDH, plus all the typical 1-mana ramp creatures in Green.
Otherwise, I think Diligent Farmhand and Muscle Burst is cute, but not very effective overall.
Chain Lightning and Lightning Bolt are oddly enough not impactful enough to play in PDH, in my opinion. I would vastly prefer Staggershock over either one for the better damage output or card advantage potential. These could be easy subsitutes for some of your maybeboard spells.
A lot of your creatures are aggressive, but not enough to really be pertinent in a game with 30-40 life (depending on how you play). Borderland Marauder, Burning-Tree Emissary, Moldgraf Scavenger, Zectar Shrine Expedition and to a certain extent even Scythe Tiger could be better as more resilient, synergistic or more powerful threats that scale better with all the ramping you're doing. Something like Sprout Swarm is a classic game-winning card that is good across the entirety of the game and works well with sac effects you're running.
Last thing: I think you should run more lands. I get that you're trying to be low to the ground and aggressive, but running a low land count hurts you in a lot of ways. It makes less opening hands keepable, it restricts the breadth of finishers you can use, it lowers the efficiency of your commander and cards like Winding Way and can even result in you running out of basics to fetch in the mid-to-late game. I think 38-40 lands would be a more appropriate number.
Again, great idea for a deck and I'm looking forward to hearing more about how you do with it. Is it more for 1-on-1 play or multiplayer?
9 months ago
I think you need more token producers that double as manasinks. Using Radha-ability mana on cards feels like you'll end up overextending fast. Centaur Glade is not bad. Dragon Roost is expensive but may work. Myr Matrix is resilient. Night Soil doubles as GY hate. Ant Queen , Jade Mage , Soul of Zendikar etc.