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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this enters the battlefield, up to one target player puts all the cards from their graveyard on the bottom of their library in a random order.
Evoke—Exile a green card from your hand. (You may cast this for its evoke cost instead of paying its mana cost. If you do, this is sacrificed when this enters the battlefield.)
1 week ago
Vigor may be a good choice for your sideboard! It fits the tribal Elemental theme while simultaneously helping you against mill strategies if you ever encounter them. It also pairs well with your Animar, Soul of Elements. Similarly, Bojuka Bog and/or Ground Seal could be nice sideboard options in preparation for decks that use their graveyards often. Your Endurance already fulfills both of those niche options, though, but it never hurts to have more preparations!
1 month ago
Back to the original ban talk, for the pro tour they’ve listed the total number of cards being run in the tourney, with the One Ring being top-dog.
Numbers are (total/main/side):
The One Ring: 450/415/35
Orcish Bowmasters: 413/406/7
Chalice of the Void: 355/2/353
Misty Rainforest: 328/328/0
Force of Negation: 302/276/26
Boseiju, Who Endures: 287/172/115
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer: 270/266/4
Leyline Binding: 258/258/0
Flooded Strand: 255/255/0
Lightning Bolt: 253/248/5
Bloodstained Mire: 236/236/0
These stats surely don’t help the Rings odds of staying legal.
3 months ago
wallisface Whether this deck ever places in any tournaments remains to be seen, but I'm not about to throw the concept out in favor of making just another scales or taxes deck. If I wanted to do that the copy/paste function would have saved me a lot of time.
I'll answer much of this when I get the description written on how to pilot it. To hit an easy one: Anointed Peacekeeper is a replacement effect, not an ETB trigger, so Hushbringer has no effect on it.
Regarding Hushbringer hitting only three decks in the meta, based off MTG Goldfish data this assertion simply isn't true. In addition to hitting Scam (Dauthi Voidwalker, Seasoned Pyromancer, Grief, Fury), Omnath (Endurance, Omnath, Locus of Creation, Fury, Solitude, Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines), and (both Jeskai and Azorius) Control (Solitude, Wall of Omens, Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines), it also hits Creativity (Archon of Cruelty), Hammertime (Kor Outfitter, Stoneforge Mystic), Temur Rhinos (Fury), Living End (Architects of Will, Grief, Subtlety), Mono-Green Tron (Wurmcoil Engine), Yawgmoth (Young Wolf, Blood Artist, Strangleroot Geist, Endurance, Geralf's Messenger), and Scales (Hangarback Walker, Zabaz, the Glimmerwasp, Arcbound Ravager).
So the decks that Hushbringer doesn't touch are Burn, Murktide, Underworld Breach, and Domain Zoo.
The top 15 decks represent exactly 80% of the meta (per MTG Goldfish), with the four above decks that Hushbringer doesn't touch representing 21.5% of the meta. So assuming Hushbringer has no impact on the missing 20% of the meta not represented by the top 15 decks (definitely untrue, Death and Taxes, Eldrazi Tron, Merfolk and Amulet Titan being four obvious examples that Hushbringer hoses just off the top of my head, but let's pretend) it still prevents something in 58.5% of meta competitive decks.
Granted it's not a great card against all of those decks, but it still disrupts something, while sitting on a 1/2 flying lifelink body.
Regarding those decks that Hushbringer's static ability doesn't impact at all, four quick points:
- She can be an excellent chump blocker or damage trader in a deck with 4x Giver of Runes when the opponent lacks trample, plus lifelink is naturally strong vs burn.
- Not all +1/+1 counters are created equal, you get a lot more mileage on a lifelink flyer than on most other creatures, especially if you're trading.
- Those four decks are generally hosed by other aspects of the deck (by design), i.e. Archon of Emeria hoses Murktide, as does much of the list, frankly. That's not to say it always beats Murktide, but it does hold its ground respectably (at least in my playtesting).
- Our sideboard is designed to help us most vs our weaker matchups, and since it's white it's a pretty solid toolkit. I do think the sideboard could probably be further improved.
In general, since we're trying to deny value and slow down the game, we're looking for mana dumps and value engines that help us grind ahead. The +1/+1 counter engines help us do that, and when placed on a lifelink or vigilance creature punch above their weight.
If you think it's a garbage deck concept then that's fair. I've playtested vs a handful of the top competitive archetypes with surprisingly good results, but it may be that despite my best efforts I'm just no good at piloting other decks. In any case I'll entertain feedback that helps it do what it's meant to do better, but I'm not looking to create just another deck that everyone's seen a million times except with a slight two-card tweak just so I can call it innovation. I hope that makes some sense.
When I get a description written up I hope to make things a bit clearer. Undoubtedly the deck isn't for everyone, and may not ever end up on a meta list. That's ok.
7 months ago
king-saproling I do tend to run into at least one graveyard hate piece in a game, and with Endurance and that Theros doggo now I don't feel secure enough to run a combo that's so easily disrupted (granted, in the era of Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines the Thoracle combo is also disruptable).
7 months ago
Teferi, Time Raveler is not bannable? Despite your argument it is overpowered. They even had to alter it in online mtg by making it cost four and changed it’s ability from “your opponents can only cast spells at sorcery speed” to “your opponents can only cast spells on their turn”. They had to alter it’s ability so that counter magic could still be used against it’s controller. That is it’s main problem, once resolved it literally makes it so the opponent can’t respond to what you’re doing and makes the game very one sided.
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer is a card that me and my hyper-competitive friend have talked about alongside the other cards on my list. He believes Ragavan might get banned at some point due to doing to much for 1 mana and actually forcing the opponent to have an answer for it. This was the same exact argument that WOTC used for banning Deathrite Shaman.
Wrenn and Six should never have costed 2 mana. If it costed more it would probably be fine, but it comes down too early and effectively warps the game. Having consistent land-drops was meant to be something you had to work at (like drawing tons of cards).
Expressive Iteration is the one card my friend actually mentioned to me. In the last year he has played at every local modern event and says it generally leads to whoever can cast it first ends up winning.
Ovalchase Daredevil fits into the same argument that Splinter Twin did. They thought about leaving twin in and banning the creature it was paired with, but they decided to ban twin not only due to overrepresentation (which cookbook isn’t overrepresented), but due to it being the engine for the combo. Daredevil effectively is an engine, without it The Underworld Cookbook would suddenly gain a downside and actually cost cards to use it. As is, it has no downside whatsoever. My friend has been showing me what decks it gets used in. One is a Grinding Station deck that uses the daredevil+cookbook combo and was the least offensive one he showed me and my other friend. The two that see the most play where I live are both archon decks that use the combo as part of a reanimator package and even with main-board graveyard hate, were ultimately very difficult to stop or next to impossible to stop. In all three cases, these decks wouldn’t have been able to go off turn three without the cookbook. Which again, WOTC has had a history of hating combos and strategies that go off before turn 4.
Believe it or not, Underworld Breach sees no play where I live. It has been considered unplayable by my local meta ever since Endurance started seeing more play. One guy tried it and ended up giving up on it after a few months.
All in all, the cards I listed all fit into reasons other cards got banned. Either due to being an engine for a combo, unfun to play against or do too much for next to no investment. I ain’t going to hate on you, cause everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But my statements still stand and are valid. Especially with WOTC’s history of reasons to ban cards seemingly being ignored now.
8 months ago
Turn the Earth is a lot better against graveyard based decks, while being basically just as effective against mill (you can target your own Endurance at end of their turn). It is significantly better than most artifact/enchantment based gravehate, since it is more resilient to their anti-hate.
9 months ago
Related to deck size and shuffling, I play:
- Battlecruiser EDH with special banlist
I play Modern and Pioneer weekly, Legacy monthly, and EDH three times a week. cEDH comes up maybe once every few weeks, and BEDHwSPB even less. I complain about shuffling my EDH deck every game lol, it sucks. I played a Yorion deck in Modern and Pioneer for a while, and I dropped the companion after three weeks because of how much more awkward the shuffling is. 33% is a huge difference.
So yeah, I am a long term, established, semi-competitive player, and I bitch about deck size making shuffling harder multiple times a week.
Related to the Cube thing, I think that ultimately this guy is trying to make Magic better. If this works for his playgroup, power to them, and honestly I would love to see them do a small tournament on MTGO (32 players, manual pairings, practice queue) as a way to say "I told you so".
Yeah, I think its a huge headache with tons of extra overhead that makes gameplay worse, just like everyone else. It works for Marvel Snap because games are six turns, decks are twelve cards, it uses a points based ranking system, and a game takes two minutes max. None of those things can be said about Magic, so I think it would be awful, but I would still watch a tournament with it implemented.
Brief aside for plakjekaas: Endurance doesn't shuffle your deck, it shuffles your graveyard onto the bottom of your deck. I've been with and against it for so long, and I still instinctively go to shuffle my graveyard into my library every time.
9 months ago
And half the top 10 played lands in Modern, according to mtgGoldfish, shuffle someone's deck. Endurance is the 4th played creature of the format and shuffles a deck. Stoneforge Mystic, Primeval Titan, Indomitable Creativity, Urza's Saga, fetches are not the only way to shuffle your deck. Also, Lightning Bolt is still the most commonly played spell and the top card of the format overall. Spell Pierce is third. Unholy Heat typically doesnt need setup if it answers a turn 1 play. Turn 1 interaction is not that improbable. One deck doesn't make a format.
You said you "literally never" heard anyone complain about shuffling a commander deck. When called out, it's suddenly restricted to an established player actively complaining. So I assume you understand hyperbole as a figure of speech. Seeing how I didn't even use the word literally, I'd imagine you understand that my objectively false statement can still be used to paint a picture to strengthen the point that a lot of shuffling does slow the game down, even if you do it on an opponent's turn. If I'm fetching in response to a Lava Spike versus Burn, the time it takes to resolve the spell and pass the turn is a lot less than the time it takes a typical player to shuffle their deck.
The only redeeming quality of the format is that games usually end before turn 5 nowadays, so that even in the less probable case of actually shuffling your deck every turn, you still have time to finish all needed games.