Undergrowth — Search your library for a black card with converted mana cost less than or equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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Mausoleum Secrets Discussion
6 days ago
Mausoleum Secrets wouldn't be great in this deck since it only searches black cards. There's relatively few of them in this deck, and none of them tend to be direct win pieces. Vampiric Tutor would fit better, since it does not limit the cards you can search.
1 week ago
Nice idea. I have a ninja deck that only uses instants for a similar reason. There are some good tutor and draw options at instant speed if your interested since that could help you get what you need at any time. Pretty sure playing a Vampiric Tutor in response to your commander's ability means you can tutor and draw that card at the same time. Mausoleum Secrets can work as well.
There are a few more that could assist you as well from the list: Agents of Darkness
1 week ago
Hey! I really like your list! While undoubtedly less powerful than mine, you haven't distorted the general idea of the deck. The budget inclusions you have made are all very accurate. Here are a few specific suggestions:
Mindshrieker is very random and not enough reliable, although it can be fun.
I would remove every single land that comes into play tapped and replace them with basic lands. You don't need too much mana fixing, especially considering Lazav requires colourless mana, and this strategy cannot afford the tempo loss of a land entering the battlefield tapped.
I wouldn't bother with Miscast, as it doesn't scale particularly well in Commander. Rotting Regisaur can be included in your current list, considering you are not running Dreadnought. Access Tunnel is okayish. Four mana total is a lot, but it's better than Rogue's Passage. I would consider it, especially since it comes into play untapped.
Regarding how well I think your deck would perform in a mid-high power setting, it depends. See, this strategy is very fast and all-in because it is very weak at its core. A Voltron deck that relies on the graveyard suffers a lot from both creature and graveyard removal. That's why my deck is so fast, with cheap win conditions and cheap tutors. Because you need to kill your opponents before they can stop your game plan. If you cut all the powerful cards (which are, unfortunately, the most expensive) and replace them with more expensive (in terms of mana) versions, the deck will become significantly slower and thus much easier to stop. So, if your meta tends more towards the mid power-level, I think you deck can stand a chance. But if your play environment is more on the powerful side, I think you should adjust your deck accordingly.
Proxying a few key cards would drastically affect the power level of the deck. Phyrexian Dreadnought in particular is irreplaceable and its inclusion would completely change the way the deck plays. The tutors would also help a lot bring up the power level.
4 months ago
I see your deck is budget, and I wanted to suggest some budget inclusions for cards that would create tokens that also trigger Ayara's drain ability.
Chittering Witch creates RAT tokens!!
Abhorrent Overlord Generates a LOT of harpy tokens as your devotion to black will be large with Ayara in play.
Rise of the Dread Marn is a great way to refuel your board with black creatures after a board wipe or large death effect.
Lab Rats is a great way to slowly add more rats to the field with enough mana for the buyback price.
Josu Vess, Lich Knight can be brutal with Ayara on the battlefield if the kicker cost is paid.
Necrotic Hex can be a good board clearing effect that also makes black creatures.
Have fun playing EDH! The best suggestion is to play with others and learn what cards you like and dislike using and adapt with new cards that fit your budget.
5 months ago
I'll try to explain my reasoning as best as possible, but some of the cards you brought up happen to the spots I'm actually less sure of. First off, cards that have done well for me.
- Anger I love this card. It's basically a free discard for all my draw spells, or when you cast Buried Alive you can grab whatever dragons you need and this guy.
- Lathliss, Dragon Queen Honestly unsure still. Her fire breathing has actually come up more than the tokens. But in a few games I've been able to reanimate multiple things and the extra bodies have been nice. Still undecided.
- Molten Echoes This card is actually in here for the infinite combo. The combo has only come up once, but the hasty tokens have actually been even better. It also is amazing if you have either Scourge of Valkas or Terror of the Peaks on the battlefield.
- Skyline Despot Getting the initial draw is nice, but you always become a target and I've never actually made the token. He is probably a safe cut for something more reliable.
The creatures you mentioned were so close to making it into my first build. If I could run 105 cards I'd probably have them. You very well may be correct to include them, but the reason they didn't make the cut is because they're creatures. I was hesitant to put my card advantage in something that had to stick around and have another creature attack. Chainer is amazing but I hate that I have to pay full price! I want to cheat! Feldon is pretty cool but again, he has to wait a turn before he can help us. Mausoleum Secrets is very interesting. I like the extra tutor to get our reanimation effects. The reason I have Final Parting is so I can grab both the spell and the creature, but it's a lot a 5cmc.
Hellkite Tyrant I'll admit, this is really only in here because it's a "staple". It has stolen a few signets and sol rings but that's about it. I could be convinced to swap this guy for something else.
That's a lot for now, but if it isn't obvious, I love talking Bladewing! I'm excited now about a treasure upgrade!
5 months ago
MeanLizard thanks for sharing your list! I'd love to talk out where I see variance in our design!
You're only playing Dragons (and Anger , always Anger )! I really like your low creature count and how it opens up space for instants and enchantments. I'm seeing our differences in playstyle come from this section. Also, we both REALLY need to add Goldspan Dragon ...a lot.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen consistently underwhelmed for me. I hope you haven't found that to be the case!
Please let me pitch you on swapping Hellkite Tyrant for a utility creature like Dockside Extortionist ! I always found Tyrant to be a win-more card and I consistently feel like this deck doesn't need to win-more, it needs to sustain and accelerate.
Where you have Tormenting Voice , I run Azra Oddsmaker . For Wild Guess , I run Chainer, Nightmare Adept . Your Cathartic Reunion swaps in for my Daretti, Scrap Savant . Your Molten Echoes mirrors my Feldon of the Third Path .
How have you felt about your gameplay? You've streamlined this strategy to the Nth degree with heavier draw and reanimation packages - I can imagine this being SO quick and potentially a bit more prone to getting squashed by graveyard hate. Maybe not because of how much card draw you're doing?
Take out Final Parting for Mausoleum Secrets and enjoy! Also, how can we find space for Underworld Breach here?! You're leaning into flashback and threshold a bit more than I do, I'd LOVE to see these inclusions!
I have some other questions and thoughts, but that feels like plenty to start with!
5 months ago
Last couple topics,
I made an assumption and grouped Draw above Damage, and Deathtouch above Token.
Deathtouch 16%, Control 16%, Damage/Life 15%, Recursion 8%, Token 6%, Draw 6%, Discard 2%, Ramp 2%, Land 29%
Further on Card Advantage (which includes draw):
I know why your doing it and the thought process behind it, but here's an alternative perspective.
Your cards like Blood Divination , Costly Plunder , Pitiless Pontiff , Bone Splinters , Final Payment , Severed Strands , Spark Harvest are usually paired with LTB effect (like your damage/life and afterlife abilities), more along lines of Grave Pact (Also Dictate of Erebos , Butcher of Malakir , Dark Prophecy , Nightmare Shepherd , Etc.) or Reveillark / Academy Rector types.
The issue is Blood Divination why not Necropotence ( Greed ) for CMC1 less, and no sacrifice, let's you refill your hand anytime, Grim Haruspex /Etc. Why Spark Harvest / Bone Splinters over Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile or Mortify or even Bloodchief's Thirst / Generous Gift if your after planeswalkers.
So how are creatures getting into the graveyard, if your not sacrificing them along with other effects, a value engine!! Skullclamp is a necessity, Viscera Seer is strong, Phyrexian Altar (this card is cEDH level though), more things like Priest of Forgotten Gods & Ayara, First of Locthwain . Why sacrifice a deathtouch creature to LTB damage/life when you can Corpse Knight instead and get the value up front? Yahenni, Undying Partisan , Village Rites is ok because its CMC1 and Instant, you don't need tutor in battlecruiser/low (up to power 5), but cards like Diabolic Intent which also feed into things like Mausoleum Secrets are value. Ashnod's Altar , Doom Foretold , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , etc.
Key is value in / value out. Don't waste the value out just to enable your recursion. Value-in, Value-out, then recur. More Immortal Servitude (battlefield), less Soul Salvage (hand). Reanimate / Animate Dead (anyone's graveyards), Unburial Rites , Victimize , Agadeem's Awakening Flip, Revival / Revenge , Command the Dreadhorde , Blood for Bones .
Kinda touched on it, in previous. Control 16% is quite a bit, inline with power level. If you replace Ashen Rider , Bone Splinters , Final Payment , Severed Strands , Spark Harvest . Some should become the "sac outlets", like Skullclamp / Viscera Seer and some just better interactions (Instant speed whenever possible). Anguished Unmaking , Utter End , Swords to Plowshares , Merciless Eviction , Plaguecrafter / Demon's Disciple (Better Fleshbag Marauder unless your utilizing the Zombie part), Shriekmaw , Path to Exile , Generous Gift , Deadly Rollick , Dire Tactics , Hagra Mauling Flip, Unmake there's lots.
If you want to jump on a teams chat or anything when you have some time happy to help, just discord chat me, hopefully something that helps you focus this deck to a 4-5