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5 months ago
Are the lands accurate? 24 basics in 4 colors is gonna be clunky and make it hard to reliably hit all 4 colors. I don't recommend multiple triomes due to etb tapped. There's a LOT of 2 color cycles that don't enter tapped (you can run 6 of any cycle in 4 colors) and any color lands. Checklands like Clifftop Retreat, Filterlands like Twilight Mire, Painlands like Caves of Koilos, Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard, Reflecting Pool, and City of Brass are all budget(ish) friendly options. Obviously fetchlands and shockslands are ideal but cost a lot more.
6 months ago
10 months ago
Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon.
Some Elf upgrades to consider:
- Copperhorn Scout --> Defiant Elf
- Elvish Harbinger --> Lys Alana Scarblade
- Circle of Dreams Druid --> Rhys the Exiled
- Fauna Shaman --> Sylvan Messanger
- Elvish Guidance --> Elderfang Ritualist
Copperhorn Scout pairs well with Immaculate Magistrate or Timberwatch Elf to have a repeatable untap effect to make Lathril huge when you attack with Elves. With Immaculate since the counters stay on the creature then can keep Scout and Lathril huge. Fauna Shaman repeatable tutor effect can be useful with Elves that are not impactful enough in the game to tutor for a more impactful creature. Fauna brings a toolbox effect with Elves since she can get any creature and untap effects work really well with her to chain tutor.
Elvish Harbinger and Circle of Dreams Druid are much more price then the Elves you could cut for them, but they're among the better Elves in the tribe. Circle is another mass mana combo Elf, it's Gaea's Cradle effect and Harbinger is an Elf tutor that's also a mana Elf who can make black mana. Elvish Guidance isn't an Elf, but it's another mass mana effect and after enchanting a Forest pair with Arbor Elf.
Some nonElf upgrades to consider:
- Staff of Domination --> Door of Destinies
- Cultist of the Absolute --> Crown of Skemfar
- Patriarch's Bidding --> Return Upon the Tide
- Assassin's Trophy or Beast Within --> Putrefy
- Victimize --> Lead the Stampede
Staff of Domination is most powerful artifact with Elves since it can make infinite green mana with any of the mass mana Elves (Priest, Archdruid, Circle, Marwyn, etc.) if they can make at least 5 mana. Infinite green is then paid into Staff to draw as much of your deck as you want to find Ezuri wincon or to get at least 10 Elves in your control. Lathril's tap 10 Elves to make each opponent lose 10 life can be a wincon with Staff since Staff can infinite untap Lathril and 10 Elves.
Cultist of the Absolute is busted with Lathril for only 1 mana. Without any other boost to p/t it makes Lathril a 5/6 flying/deathtouch/menace threat. The combination of having menace and deathtouch makes combat a nightmare for opponent. Lathril provides the creature sac fodder that's needed to fuel Absolute. Patriarch's Bidding is mass reanimation of Elves for 5 mana.
Door of Destinies isn't a good anthem effect card since it doesn't pump anything without casting an Elf the same turn you play it meaning need more than 4 mana to get any value at all. For 4 mana you can do much better if an anthem effect is what you want.
Some land upgrades to consider:
- Rogue's Passage --> Myriad Landscape
- Twilight Mire --> Blooming Marsh
- Woodland Chasm --> Skemfar Elderhall
Over a couple of turns Rogue's Passage alone with Lathril can build you an Elf army, that's pretty good for a land. Twilight Mire for 1 green mana can make BB and that's helpful when green mana is much more plentiful than black mana, but black mana is also important.
Woodland Chasm is another Golgari dual land that Verdant or Wood to get. Blooming Marsh will rarely ETB untapped making it much worse land then it appears especially for it's price. Fast lands are better in formats where you can play 4x of them for consistency of having them the first three turns of a game. Fast lands are overpriced dual lands in Commander.
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Not a chance in the world of that happening. Allow me to elaborate:
Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth is often one of the best lands to draw, it’s the second Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth allowing to tap for colored mana on fetches as well as allowing stuff like Godless Shrine or even Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to tap for green.
Takenuma, Abandoned Mire is useless more games than not but the ability to find you a threat in the late game when it comes down to top deck mode is the little nudge decks like this are all about.
The thing I am having trouble with is the creature suite. I feel like 4x Dark Confidant is wrong in this meta, he never lives to put in any work. Goyfs, ScOoze & Flayer have all been great but good ol Bob isn’t good any more
1 year ago
1 year ago
Your creatures and scion token generators seem legit. Any thoughts about Phyrexian Reclamation, Birthing Pod, Whip of Erebos, or Skullclamp?
Also your mana base looks a little risky with reliably getting all 3 colors early game. I would consider cutting some of your colorless lands for Vivid Marsh or other vivid lands, if you are budget conscious, or adding some untapped filter lands like Twilight Mire, or Path of Ancestry for all 3 colors.
Anyway, just some thoughts, cheers and have fun!!
1 year ago
squiGGhetti - Good stuff! Thanks for taking a look!
Hmmm...maybe I will drop the filter lands like Twilight Mire, Wooded Bastion, and Fetid Heath and double the shock lands I am currently running. I will say I have had games where I start with like 3 lands in my hand but they only can generate colorless mana which kills the hand. Adding the shock lands would give me more to fetch and still provides me the option to play fast or treat it as a tap land if speed is not of the essence. I am not sure on dropping it down to only 20 lands though, with an average CMC of 2.23, I want to hedge that bet. 21 lands is pretty optimal for starting with 2-3 lands in hand with good odds of drawing an additional land in the next three turns making it so the deck SHOULD be able to play anything by turn 4...should being the key word...
Two people now pushing for Unearth now huh? I do like the card as it provides a cheap return for a 3 CMC creature or provides you a draw if not needed but I am just not understanding why it seems like a good fit for this deck. Generally, I have a lot of ways to cheat or force Haakon, Stromgald Scourge to the field and at that point, as long as he is not exiled, I can continue to cast him or another as needed. Can you expand on why Unearth is a good fit?
You are not wrong that there are better removal spells out there than Nameless Inversion. I mean Dismember comes to mind for a similar card that is more effective and potentially less mana intensive to boot! However, what I LOVE about Nameless Inversion is its ability to be recast over and over. Bar Hexproof this can remove any creature from the board if I have the mana for it or I can remove multiple weaker creatures on the same turn. Trust me, if the game last more that 5-6 turns, Nameless Inversion will greatly outplay any other standard removal spell out there in this deck.
I do love Collected Company. I built my first tribal knight deck around it (For Honor and Glory!!!) and try to find a place for it where ever I can! I was running a full playset but dropped two copies to make room for Eldritch Evolution as I wanted to try that out to see how it faired. Now you have caused the dilemma of having to test drive Pyre of Heroes as well!
Agreed on Knight of Autumn. She is actually the only reason I created this Abzan version of the Haakon deck. The original was the Mardu version but I lover her versatility. Few things are more rewarding that watching my opponent cast a high CMC enchantment or artifact only to destroy it with Knight of Autumn!
On the debate of Pyre of Heroes vs Eldritch Evolution I think you may be right...I like the idea of being able to cast it T2 and use it on T3 with any creature I sacrifice being able to be resurrected whenever I desire. Definitely going to try it out over the next couple of weeks as it as merit. Not sure I would drop Aether Vial for it though, those free up my mana for dropping creatures and spells or just let me drop multiple creatures per turn if needed.
Two of the four honorary mentions you listed originally were in the deck. I dropped Knight of the Ebon Legion and Knight of the Reliquary as they just did not feel optimal in this deck. Murderous Rider is great but when he dies he gets shuffled into the library which is counter-productive for this deck but I do love that card. I have a similar relationship with Knights' Charge, love the card on principal but just seems so slow in practice. I do see your point though in terms of it having some merit in a aggro knight deck built around letting creatures die or be sacrificed...I will add that to the maybe list...liking it more as I think about the possibilities.
Sorry for the long comment but thanks for the feedback and suggestions! As I mentioned, good stuff!