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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Persistent Petitioners

Creature — Human Advisor

, : Target player mills a card. (To mill a card, put the top card of your library into your graveyard.)

Tap four untapped Advisors you control: Target player mills twelve cards.

A deck can have any number of cards named Persistent Petitioners.

Juicy_J82 on Bruvac's Millibuster

1 month ago

This looks like a sweet deck to play, and I forgot completely about Terisian Mindbreaker--I will have to give that a spin in my Circu deck.

In your defensive card explanations, I wanted to clarify one rules piece before it would come up for you at a LGS or anything. Fog Bank's ability isn't able to stop all trample damage. For instance, if a 6/6 with flying and trample is blocked by Fog Bank, the trampler only needs to assign damage equal to Fog Bank's toughness and then the rest could hit a player or planeswalker.

It's probably too fringe, and I've never built with Persistent Petitioners myself, but I always wondered if Arcane Adaptation would be fun with something like that so that all your creatures were Advisors. Anyway, +1 and a nice build!

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

3 months ago

sergiodelrio I'm also avoiding loose and vague hubs names. They get used incorrectly or are broad to the point of all-inclusive.

Vague hub names have caused problems in the past. One hub in particular (Team America, now inactive) was being used for the wrong decks entirely. It's a Legacy tempo shell from 2008-2009, but was being treated as a synonym for any Jeskai deck, which is about as far away from the intended definition as you can get. I understand the source of the confusion, but a confusing hub is not a good hub, in my opinion. If it can't be understood at a glance, it's going to get reworked.

"Reduced variance" or "low variance" also already exists, kind of, as the "competitive" hub. The whole intent of competitive decks is to reduce variance as much as possible, so that the deck is as streamlined and consistent as possible. This is achieved through tutors, redundancy, deck manipulation, using playsets of cards, and so on. So what would be the criteria for inclusion in a "low variance" hub? I expect that a "low variance" hub would be highly subjective, used for any deck that its creator thinks is unusually consistent, whether or not it actually is.

I have also declined to put in a real tutor hub so far for similar reasons. How many tutors do you need to have to be a "tutor" deck? Is four enough, with Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, and Diabolic Intent? What about Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order, Buried Alive, Terramorphic Expanse, Misty Rainforest, Mystical Tutor... What would be a short and solid description of a "tutor" deck? "A deck that regularly searches its library" would include landfall decks, almost every competitive EDH deck, "silver bullet" decks, and hatebear decks, all of which already have their own hub, and probably more. "A deck with seven or more card that search its owner's library" is arbitrary, as is any other number for inclusion. "A deck that regularly searches its library for specific cards that help it advance its win condition"--nah, I'm going to search for this useless card that doesn't help me at all.

Incidentally, "scry" is already available as a hub in the keyword/subtype checklist.

If a hub includes a $300 Dragon's Approach Pioneer deck, a $80 Elrond, Master of Healing casual Commander deck, and a $50,000 Vintage Beseech the Mirror deck, that hub becomes even broader than the aggro/combo/control archetypes, and as such becomes almost meaningless. I've added Dragon's Approach, Rat Colony, and Shadowborn Apostle to the short list for consideration, so they might be coming soon; I didn't see as many decks or as much diversity for Persistent Petitioners. And don't worry about a long post, as long as it's meaningful. It shows the idea has people willing to defend it and fight for it, which makes it more likely to be included one way or another.

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

3 months ago

Felipix I generally don't like adding hubs based around single cards, but I agree that there's a good amount of diversity in the Rat Colony decks here. My big concern is that the next hub suggestions will be for Dragon's Approach, Shadowborn Apostle, Persistent Petitioners, and whatever else comes down the line. Is it worth it to have separate hubs for all these cards?

By the way, there's a thread to suggest new hubs here.

TheoryCrafter on Mill

3 months ago

From the looks of this deck you've done a good job with mana efficiency.

Also, its important to remember the color identity rule. I'm a little spotty on multi-colored lands, but Nihil Spellbomb and Simic Locket could be seen as a violation of the rule.

With Bruvac as your commander, redundancy in instant win plays is important. Which is why I recommend adding Cut Your Losses and Fleet Swallower.

You've done good putting in cards that mill each opponent. This will help get around spells and abilities that give your opponents hexproof. With all the draw spells, may I recommend adding Psychic Corrosion? This will mill each opponent as you draw. In fact, if you add Jace's Archivist it will not only feed into Psychic Corrosion, but Fraying Sanity as well. In which case you may also want to consider adding Mystic Redaction to your deck.

Also, with your desire for Counter spells, you may want to look for spots for Countermand, Didn't Say Please, and Thought Collapse. While you cannot counter a card like Carnage Tyrant, you can still target the spell and force the spell's controller to mill.

At this stage keep Into the Roil in your deck for as long as you can. Outside of counter spells, this will be your best defense against Wheel of Sun and Moon. May I also suggest Nevinyrral's Disk? Not only is it another way to deal with Wheel of Sun and Moon, but also serves as a board wipe.

Also, I'd highly recommend Drowned Secrets since you're running a mono blue deck.

If at some point you choose to shift some of your deck towards more creatures, may I recommend Persistent Petitioners? With Bruvac also being an advisor, you can give him something to do other than sit around and be a target. And at 3 toughness, each copy can buy you some time against a battlefield of 4/4 tramplers. It would also give you the added bonus of giving your commander some protection from spells that would cause it to goad.

I hope this helps. Thank you for reading me out. Happy Hunting!

vomder on Official missing/incorrect card/token thread

7 months ago

Three cards that are missing their bonus Secret Lair printings.

Card: Seraph Sanctuary

Image: Seraph Sanctuary

Card: Selfless Savior

Image: Selfless Savior

Card: Persistent Petitioners

Image: Persistent Petitioners

seshiro_of_the_orochi on The archimandrite

1 year ago

Regarding the Words, how about WUBRG Go-Shintai of Life's Origin enchantress? You'd draw enough cards to go nuts with the five words enchantment.

For The Archimandrite, the most powerful version propably is Persistent Petitioners with Thrumming Stone. Is this the same every game? Absolutely. So maybe just do a "best of" of the three tribes?

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Brother's War Spoilers

1 year ago

Haywire Mite looks like another one to try out in Glissa.

The Archimandrite: Suddenly Persistent Petitioners decks are agro decks. Jokes aside, this looks like a pretty interesting commander. I am getting Shanna, Purifying Blade vibes where you are getting additional value from the lifegain. I am a little sad now that Monastery Mentor didn't get a reprint this set.

If only Disciple of Caelus Nin had flash. Then folks might have to think twice about casting Teferi's Protection. Owell, it's still an interesting design.

Sedris, the Traitor King players must be really sad that Meticulous Excavation is in White.

parksplace on Fun opponent mill deck

1 year ago

Bruvac the Grandiloquent + Persistent Petitioners Also works great. Undead Alchemist can also provide you blockers when you mill opponents creatures.

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