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: Put the top two cards of your library into your graveyard.
, Exile Perpetual Timepiece: Shuffle any number of target cards from your graveyard into your library.
Perpetual Timepiece Discussion
3 weeks ago
Jace being annoying (WotS update) self mill (on my profile, not linking for attention)
That’s my weird updated self mill control deck for standard that is kind of a side project. It was modified last almost a year ago or more perhaps when Perpetual Timepiece was still standard. It was my tutor for all of the graveyard loading in the deck. Does anybody have any ideas what would be a suitable standard legal replacement for this card? It for so well I’m sad if I have to change the overall mechanics.
-Pickle, the MindSculptor
1 month ago
Looks great! Cards like Aura Shards and Return to Dust are edh allstars (I'm guessing one of the cards you skipped was Vampiric Tutor ? That one's pretty good too), and there's a bunch of gameplan-specific cards like Buried Alive and Dread Return that will work perfectly with Karador, Ghost Chieftain . Some other staples you might want to add are Eternal Witness and Sol Ring .
First thing you should probably change is playing 2x Makeshift Mannequin ... I know you're into playing banned cards and everything, but this format has RULES!
I'd also look for is more ways to get things into the graveyard. Right now, I see you've got:
The consistent options are great, since they allow you flexibility to find any answer, support synergies, and aren't going to whiff. The inconsistent options don't have the same upsides. The main reason you'd want to play them is to grind out value, so I think Perpetual Timepiece and Nyx Weaver could work (although I've been looking for an excuse to try Grindclock because I'd imagine it can take over a game if let's unintended for a few turns). Corpse Connoisseur is only useful if it's already in the graveyard, and Entomb might be a better option. Extractor Demon has the same issue where it's overcosted for a Thought Scour effect. Overall, since you only have three or so creatures that benefit from being cheated out from the graveyard, cards like Satyr Wayfinder might end up hitting things like Harrow , Buried Alive , etc. too often. This means you're probably going to have to play more self-mill type cards to justify cards like Ramunap Excavator .
Some options to get stuff into the yard: Grim Flayer Underrealm Lich Life from the Loam Golgari Grave-Troll (not my favorite since you don't draw a card, but if you have enough graveyard effects, it could work)
Sylvan Ranger seems strictly worse than both Sakura-Tribe Elder (puts the land into play and puts himself in the graveyard to reduce Karador cost) and Rampant Growth . There seem to be a couple cards like this that are meant to provide some enter-the-battlefield trigger and then get sacrificed for value, but I only see Viscera Seer , Cartel Aristocrat , and Bloodthrone Vampire . That means most of the time you play cards like Elvish Visionary , it'll just be a 1/1 on the battlefield. Viscera Seer is fantastic, but the other two outlets don't get you much value anyway, which makes cards like Yavimaya Elder more valuable. Looking into effects like Qasali Pridemage , Selfless Spirit , and maybe even Spore Frog is probably where you want to go, since they are situationally fantastic, can put themselves in the graveyard to cast karador, and are much stronger options to cast with Karador later in the game. They can subtly win you games sometimes. Maybe looking into things like Skullclamp could help if you want extra sac outlets, but you'd probably want ~10-15 cards that make 1/1's to justify it (not entirely sure though). It's wildly powerful though, especially if you can recur 1/1's with Karador.
Recursion: Unburial Rites Living Death Journey to Eternity Flip (imagine how fun turn two Sakura-Tribe Elder into card could be? Also can be used to protect Sheoldred, Whispering One or Karador later in the game)
Finally, figuring out how you want to use your toolbox cards ahead of time help. Right now, there are a couple good lines for Buried Alive , such as Dread Return + Sheoldred, Whispering One , but what happens if you don't have three creatures available? Then you want Unburial Rites in your deck so you can pay 3W next turn.
Some final things to hammer out: 1. What's the plan for early game? Is it playing sac outlets then creatures with ETB triggers for extra value? It is playing utility creatures like Qasali Pridemage to develop a relevant board and solid recur value later in the game? Is it to ramp as quickly as possible into huge threats? Is it getting creatures into the graveyard ASAP with Grim Flayer or Entomb so you can Reanimate something huge on turn three? It's not bad to dip into each method, but you can have the best synergies if you heavily commit to one strategy, otherwise you might end up with great curve like Reanimate , Bloodthrone Vampire , and Ramunap Excavator , but no real value. 2. What's the win condition? I'd expect reanimating huge things out providing too much value with Karador, but even the best reanimation target Sheoldred, Whispering One isn't going to close out a game. The other targets like Soul of the Harvest and Harvester of Souls are great value, but bashing with a 6/6 can only go so far. If you're going more the reanimation route, perhaps dreaming bigger like It That Betrays could help. If you play these big boys, playing Ashnod's Altar could be fun, plus I think it's got a bunch of infinite combos. Sadly, a lot of the best options like Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite are ~10-20 bucks. 3. My personal strategy would be to play a bunch of cheap value creatures like Selfless Spirit , ramp like Sol Ring and Sakura-Tribe Elder , the best graveyard stashers like Entomb and some self-mill cards (but only ones that can win me the game if left unattended, like Underrealm Lich ), 3-5 board wipes (you can always recur your threats) and the classic interaction package ( Swords to Plowshares , etc.), and probably 7-10 or so curve-topping creatures that can end games for you (from Grave Titan to It That Betrays ).
The deck looks great, it's gonna be scary in no time!
2 months ago
Land recursion Sidisi, Brood Tyrant is indeed a strange way to play her.
You're gonna want a lot of creatures to hit the grave for her ability and you want a lot of hate lands in the deck, have you thought of reconsidering Muldrotha, the Gravetide as your commander, as it allows for a free land per turn as well as other benefits.
Additionally Constant Mists is perfect for fighting aggro with land recursion!
Strip Mine is needed! I would actually take out Perpetual Timepiece as it's a danger to you if you don't have 2 mana up and someone exiles your grave, additionally, if you want to keep it up, you have to play with 2 mana up at all times.
Avenger of Zendikar is great to abuse for sac outlets and get those land drop triggers!
Last but not least: Sylvan Safekeeper a must in all land recursion decks!
Hope this helps, Flesh
2 months ago
I'm of the opinion that Perpetual Timepiece is bordeline mandatory in any muldrotha list. It both self-mills and protect your yard for a very cheap price. It is just flat-out better than, say, Crow of Dark Tidings .
You seem to be missing a sac outlet to get your Eternal Witness, Archeomancer and the like into the yard so you can play them again. The Ideal would be something like Ashnod's Altar , or Phyrexian Tower , but Vampiric Rites and Viscera Seer are budget alternatives.
2 months ago
Hey, just read your comment on my primer. I'd love to give some advice, though without knowing what direction you want to take with the deck, I'll just start with some general thoughts on the deck.
I really like some of the cheap interactive cards you're running. In particular, I like the idea of running a cheap deathtoucher in Gnarlwood Dryad to completely shut down creatures coming your way. I do think there may be better options for that slot, but I definitely like including something along those lines in the deck.
I think you probably want to find room for 3-4 more lands. Muldrotha is a very mana hungry commander, and you've got some expensive finishers in the deck to boot. I get it, lands aren't all that exciting, but if you miss a land drop playing Muldrotha, you're not going to have a very good time.
You've got a lot of great cheap and efficient cards in your noncreature slots, but you have a bunch of creatures that feel very expensive for what they do. Acid Web Spider and Noxious Dragon both fill important roles, but cost tons of mana, making it really hard to make use of them effectively. I would look for some cheaper creatures that fill similar roles. Manglehorn can not only take care of any artifact, it also can significantly weaken opposing mana rocks. Plaguecrafter is a great way to get rid of hexproof/shroud/indestructible creatures, and also lets you get creatures into your graveyard so you can replay them.
In a similar vein, I have really enjoyed reanimation enchantments in my Muldrotha. I'm not sure what your budget is, but Dance of the Dead , Animate Dead , and Necromancy have performed incredibly well for me. They let you get extra creature plays from your graveyard, help keep Muldrotha on the field, or cheat out giant creatures for cheap. I especially like them here because of Final Parting , which lets you tutor a reanimation spell and a reanimation target, letting you tutor and play any creature from your deck for 7 mana.
Finally, I really like all my self-mill pieces to do more than just fill my graveyard. While its all well and good to have a stocked graveyard, you can't neglect your hand, just in case you can't stick Muldrotha or your graveyard gets removed. For this reason, I really like things like Vessel of Nascency , Satyr Wayfinder , and Perpetual Timepiece . You've got a couple of the best options for this ( World Shaper , Sidisi, Brood Tyrant ), but you also have a bunch of cards that do nothing besides dump cards into the grave.
3 months ago
In no particular order, I've got some suggestions you might have a look at. Some cards are just to round out the deck and give you a little more defensive capability, and others are to fully lean-into the self-mill theme you've got going. In particular, you might want to put in more blink effects so you can tap your Petitioners more than once per turn/round.
Still a super freaking cool concept! It turns what the card was MEANT to do on its head, and makes it that much more potent (it's easier to mill just one person-- yourself-- than it is to try and handle all your opponents at once instead).
3 months ago
Yo WarriorMagic, based on the list you sent me it seems like you want to go with the value route. Is there a particular budget that you have in mind? Muldrotha has access to a plethora of colors, I can help you get like a defined list of core cards and packages that would be great and than you can add in your particular flair that you like to make it more personalized for your meta or style.
Right away from what I can see these are already a list of cards you can cut due to inefficiency.
- Dimir Locket
- Golgari Locket
- Kodama's Reach
- Splendid Reclamation
- Jarad's Order
- Final Parting
- Vessel of Nascency
- Secrets of the Dead
- The Eldest Reborn
- Journey to Eternity Flip
- Deadbridge Chant
- Ash Barrens
- Blighted Woodland
- Azusa, Lost but Seeking
- Butcher of Malakir
- Hydroid Krasis
- Izoni, Thousand-Eyed
- Underrealm Lich
- Night Incarnate
- Priest of Forgotten Gods
- Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Yavimaya Elder
- Liliana, Death's Majesty
Cut these cards away first so we can see the deck in a 100 cards first than we can work from there~
3 months ago
2018-02-08 Deck Update
Added a Dredge and Mill Sub-theme to the deck after considering the . Im going to try this out and see how i like the changes
- Altar of Dementia
- Consuming Aberration
- Diluvian Primordial
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- Nihil Spellbomb
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Stinkweed Imp
- Golgari Thug
- Yavimaya Granger
Perpetual Timepiece occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%