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Whenever Flameblast Dragon attacks, you may pay . If you do, Flameblast Dragon deals X damage to target creature, player or planeswalker.
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Flameblast Dragon Discussion
1 month ago
1 month ago
Armed // Dangerous another CMC2 Double Strike, $0.21. Downside is it's Sorcery.
Archetype of Aggression, gives all your creatures Trample, $0.39. 6 ground + 4 flying (partial evasion) don't have trample, thats 1/2 your available hitters, including 1 infect.
Gruul Signet, CMC2 Rock, $0.30.
Farseek, CMC2 Ramp!!, $0.27.
Flameblast Dragon won't get his doubled. Timing is off.
Slagstorm scary because it wipes out the dorks, but I understand the thinking, with Cats/Snakes/Vampires.
Arbor Elf, CMC1 Dork, $0.26.
Beastcaller Savant, CMC2, But he has Haste, $0.40 though.
Heart Warden, annoying at CMC2, but can draw a card if late in the game if he's a dead draw, $0.20. Modular is sometimes nice, especially in longer games.
Explore might work pretty well with 40 lands, and it draws a card, so maintains your card-advantage and ramp advantage. I also feel you have quite a bit (too many) lands with all the additional ramp/dorks you have? Might try 38 instead.
Thunderfoot Baloth $1.69, but has trample, with Xenagos is 14 Trample, and gives all other creatures Trample. The best of the Trample enablers mentioned for sure.
Artisan of Kozilek he is 10/9 (20/19 with Xenagos), Returns a creature from your graveyard to the battlefield (not hand), and has Annihilator 2 (Opponent sacrifices 2 permanents, with haste from Xenagos) for $0.43. I have lots of this guy, I'll bring you one.
Maybe with some shuffling of mana sources you can free up cash for Malignus, but he's quite expensive. Tough for budget.
Phyrexian Hydra another Infect guy. Makes it easier to kill 3 players.
Khenra Charioteer more trample, hes a 3/3 so he's not shabby for CMC3. Probably don't need that much anyway.
Talisman of Impulse best non- non- mana source available for $0.33.
Explosive Vegetation is good, but $0.92 and CMC4, I'm not sure. Might look for another lower CMC one to ramp a little faster for that $. Go a bit faster.
I haven't seen this one work yet, See the Unwritten and at $0.82, I'd probably just draw another creature like a Artisan of Kozilek. If you get lucky and the stars align, maybe you get 2, but one might be an Elf. I'd rather just draw another key creature, instead of the randomness. If it was CMC5 or CMC4 and casting a CMC8 maybe, but it's CMC6 probably casting a CMC6 or lower (based on probability, I can calculate it when I have some more time)
Living Hive is in Main and Maybeboard.
I only like Momentous Fall (too expensive $), Deus of Calamity (enables Xenagos), Kavu Predator could be interesting in our Pod (vs cats/vamps anyway). Malignus if you can budget him in. Steel Hellkite good utility again CMC0 Snakes/Vampires for example. Thunderfoot Baloth.
Don't like anything else there.
I think, less lands -2 perhaps, cheaper ramp (and maybe 1 more), 1 more creature (infect guy preferably), reallocate some cash to make sure each creature is a finisher, like Avatar of Fury is kind of blah, if you can cast for 2 he's ok, but what you doing with the other mana that turn anyway, would rather pay the 6 for a finisher. Siege Dragon feels a little underpowered too, but can board wipe (cats/vamps/snakes), would rather use Steel Hellkite instead, better control, lower CMC.
Living Hive feels small for CMC8! Wtf, not sure what your doing with the 1/1 insects, that don't even fly.
That's about all I have for now +1.
1 month ago
So, Dragons cost a lot. They are very expensive. They also see a ton of removal if able. Because of this, in my experience, you want enough Dragons to sustain the brutal attacks that will be made against you. However, you also need a means to get them out onto the field.
You want to look for Dragons that act like Sorcery cards. That is to say, a Dragon that benefits you other then just being a 4/4 flyer.
Cards like Glorybringer and the new Demanding Dragon are beautiful examples. They force extra hurt for their cost. This means your resources aren't diminished for nothing. Even if your opponent kills the Dragon, you at least got something out of it for your effort.
Along with these, Scourge of Valkas is an amazing and brutal beast, especially when paired with Dragon Tempest. You need to pay attention to the wording because I've seen people miss this, myself included. EACH of your Dragons will be dealing X damage, where X is the TOTAL number of Dragons your control.
I've seen players think that since one Dragon entered, and they had three already out, then 4 total damage is being dealt. This is because ONE Dragon entered, and it deals damage equal to the number of Dragons you control. This is correct. But if you have two Dragons enter together, BOTH of those are going to be dealing X damage.
The Dragon that entered is the one dealing the damage, not Scourge and not Dragon Tempest. Be careful of that. It could win you a game without you realizing it.
Aside from those massive cannons, a really good Dragon is Utvara Hellkite, but it's a bit of a trap card. Only run 1 in a deck because it costs 8 to play and you won't benefit unless you have enough Dragons to make it worth while. Combo'd with Scourge / Tempest and you run a serious powerhouse.
As for protection, Destructor Dragon is great. As a 4/4 Flyer, in my experience, if an opponent does not have removal it acts as a deterrent similarly to Phyrexian Obliterator. That is to say, if they attack and they kill it, you punish them. Note that it does say noncreature, which a lot of people look at and think it sucks. But the real hidden power here is that by saying nonCREATURE, LANDS can be targeted instead.
Ryusei, the Falling Star also acts as a powerful deterrent. If they kill it, they can potentially wipe themselves out.
Another beautiful Dragon that'll piss off anyone is Dragon Broodmother. I'll get more into her in a moment.
But all of this means nothing if you can't get any of them into play. That's where the beauty of the Gruul Dragon decks comes in.
Gruul Dragons wants to, ultimately, do three things. Ramp, burn, and swing. But you only have so many cards to do it with? So how do you balance these?
Here's how: Dragons that act like Sorceries.
You're going to want a playset of the following:
Birds will give you access to either color immediately. GS will give you and if spent on a creature, that creature gains Haste. and DLS reduces costs by .
Now, here's the REALLY fun part! Generator Servant's mana can be spent on TWO different creatures! You can do and , and BOTH of them gain Haste! :D
If you have a GS out on the field and two in your hand with in mana you can use, you could literally sac GS, gain , tap , and pay out as and and sac those two immediately for .
Let me explain to you just how insanely fast this design can ramp. I do it all the time. Gruul Dragons is my favorite deck of all.
- T1: Forest, Birds
- T2: Mountain, GS
- T3: Land, tap all 3 lands, tap Birds, sac GS, play Savage Ventmaw, swing for 4, add , play Xenagos, the Reveler for , +1, add for Birds & Ventmaw, float the additional left over from Ventmaw's cost, cast something else like, say oh I don't know, Dragon Egg, target with Infernal Plunge, kill Egg, get a 2/2 Token, add , play something else.
Gruul Dragon's is an insanely complex combo ramp & burn deck that catches everyone off guard. But you need to balance what cards do with how they interact.
Glorybringer and Demanding Dragon are cards you'll only want 2x of each, with 1x of each in your sideboard so you can flex as needed. This'll protect you against things like Meddling Mage and, God forbid, Surgical Extraction.
Hellkite Charger nets you additional combat phases, which is sweet. A single Birds of Paradise + Savage Ventmaw = extra combat phase. There's other combos for INFINITE COMBAT PHASES, such as 2x Savage Ventmaws or even a Savage Ventmaw + Grand Warlord Radha. Don't use Radha, Heir to Keld as she must attack to get the mana and if she is blocked and killed, your combo ends.
Bleh. This is a lot. Wow.
So all of this mana and what can you spend it on??
You're up in the air. Just go over everything and hit for tons of damage, then replenish your resources with the mana you've acquired each turn.
You'll want to play hyper aggressively. Swing, even if you don't want to. Force your opponent to block. Clear their board because you'll always be able to rebuild yours. Explore, Explosive Vegetation, and Khalni Heart Expedition and what your filler cards will be. Things of those natures.
There's other tricks like how to get insane amounts of life, as well. But I think this is enough to set you off on the right path :)
Good luck! Seriously, Gruul Dragons is my #1 favorite deck of all time. <3
2 months ago
I know "" translates to when considering converted mana costs. So a spell like Banefire is actually a CMC = 1 card, even if you spend 12 mana on it.
I know I can just type in "X" in the text field, but the issue here is it pulls up literally E-V-E-R-Y card that has the letter "x" in it, such as every card with the word "exile" or "next" in it.
Short of asking for the "word" "X", but then specifically removing all X-containing words, such as "exile" or "next" (Which just takes way too much time to do), does anybody know of a way to look for these cards?
Or, conversely, is there a different website we can use - or an app for that matter?
I'm asking, because I want to build a new EDH deck centered around, of all Commanders, Rosheen Meanderer. I thought it'd be an interesting idea, with cards like Gelatinous Genesis, Hydra Broodmaster, Flameblast Dragon, and Steel Hellkite as my main cannons (Among others, of course) and rely on things like the aforementioned spells to get me there.
4 months ago
You may want to consider Flameblast Dragon as a way to punch through a stalled board, or to pick off annoying weenies.
5 months ago
I think you took Steel Hellkite, he's pretty good, I also don't personally run him, but he's a good Dragon. I'd rather have him over other guys that don't really have any abilities like Akroma, Angel of Wrath.
Also figured I'd mention since you were asking about Flameblast Dragon, Bruna, the Fading Light doesn't work off of Kaalia of the Vast either, she only Triggers her ability when she is "Cast", Kaalia of the Vast puts her into play, never "Casts" her. So just keep in mind when playing her, if you do cheat her you lose the benefit, mostly have to hard cast. Quicksilver Amulet the same doesn't trigger Bruna, the Fading Light. Brisela, Voice of Nightmares pretty sweet though.
5 months ago
Kaalia of the Vast says "onto the battlefield tapped an attacking that opponent", so the Flameblast Dragon never "Attacks", which means his triggered ability "Whenever Flameblast Dragon attacks..." never triggers.
On gatherer for Kaalia of the Vast, there is a ruling that clarifies, Kaalia Rulings. "the creature card is already tapped and attacking as it's put onto the battlefield, Any abilities that trigger when a creature becomes tapped or when a creature attacks won't trigger for that card"
That's consistent with the rules:
508.4. If a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking, its controller chooses which defending player or which planeswalker a defending player controls its attacking as it enters the battlefield (unless the effect that put it onto the battlefield specifies what its attacking). Such creatures are attacking but, for the purposes of trigger events and effects, they never attacked.
So a few things, he never "attacks", he is "attacking", and he never "attacked". So doesn't trigger whenever attacks, or creatures that say If this creature attacked this turn (bad eg: Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip), also wouldn't trigger. But things like Condemn would still work because he is "attacking"
So Flameblast Dragon won't work with Kaalia of the Vast. Also, he has another down side, must be paid whenever he attacks, so the next turn, you tap him to attack, triggers his ability, it's at that time that you have to decide how much to pay, before you know anything about blocker declaration, or flash/instants spells and abilities which may change your mind if you want to even pay the mana this time. The good thing is though, that you only choose the targets when the triggered ability goes off, you get to choose the value for as the ability resolves, which means it's too late for anyone to respond. He just doesn't have good synergy with Kaalia of the Vast, although he looks awesome.
Ancient Hellkite or Shivan Hellkite and the likes would work, but they aren't a Flameblast Dragon. I seem to remember an dragon that worked, but I can't think of him right now, could be totally wrong, may not exist.
5 months ago
Grand Abolisher is very nice, means Kaalia of the Vast can attack and play an A/D/D on your turn without interference. He is $6 though, so doesn't help your under $200 budget, but you have some room it looks like.
Karmic Guide is pretty cheap, has protection: and has recursion built-in, I really like her, she can be abused too if you choose. Could easily replace Tariel, Reckoner of Souls, he's too random, and can't get your graveyard.
Should also spend the $8 on Master of Cruelties. Instant kill-con.
Archfiend of Depravity is a reasonably good budget demon. Mortify is a good budget removal spell. Aegis Angel is a good budget angel, and protects Kaalia of the Vast. Bladewing the Risen is good budget recursion dragon. None are auto-includes though, but there's some stuff there they could replace.
Hellspark Elemental feels wrong, does he combo something? No synergy.
Battlefield Forge is a budget land that can get rid of some of the "ETB Tapped" lands your running.
Crackling Doom feels in the flavor of this deck because of the red spells you play. Thunderous Wrath is awesome to top deck, but sucks in the hand, can always just burn a player if drawn at a inconvenient time. Bogardan Hellkite also feels kind-of in this flavor too.
Flameblast Dragon won't work if he enters tapped and attacking, you'll have to wait until next turn to activate his ability.
I'm testing Demonlord Belzenlok, I think he's going to work out, I have a feeling.
Necropotence is $6 I believe, but can help with the draw issues.
Hopefully you find something useful here. Nice build. +1.