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Helm of Obedience
(X), Tap: Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first. If a creature card is put into that graveyard this way, sacrifice Helm of Obedience and put that card into play under your control. X can't be 0.
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Helm of Obedience Discussion
6 days ago
Hi Chiberia, thanks for the comment! I didn't know about this cool combo, and seems super unexpected and fun. I'm afraid I will not include it though in the deck, here's why:
The combo works only if both pieces are available, and I don't run the tutors necessary to make them reliably be in my hand. This means that the cards must be already good and in them on their own, but unfortunately, they aren't. Leyline of the Void directly goes against my principal win conditions, that is tapping creatures like Mortivore with Phenax, God of Deception's ability. If those cards get exiled, the yards would be all empty (apart from mine, though I don't plan , and so my possibility to win.
On the other hand, Helm of Obedience has the problem in being an effect with an X cost. My deck doesn't ramp much, so investing all my mana on such an X activated ability is pretty much worthless, considering I would most often than not flip something useless or just not flip anything at all. The chance of flipping an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger once in my life isn't really appealing to me.
The two cards both cost about 15$ and 20$ respectively. Another reason to not risk including them, even though the combo is able to kill an opponent point blank.
6 days ago
There is a two card infinite combo for mill:
Since the card never hits the grave, Helm of Obediences trigger never stops, milling there the entire library out.
1 week ago
I really dig it!! I do want to let you know that I had Angel's Trumpet in my deck once. The reason I took it out is because someone played grand arbiter with it out and my dudes ended up killing me lol.
The only thing I would reconsider is Heliod, God of the Sun 4 mana for 1 dude seems steep. I would replace him with Jazal Goldmane, Mirror Entity, Coat of Arms or possibly Staff of Nin for more card draw. Other then that the deck looks sweet. It serves a purpose and looks like a fined oiled machine.
Me personally I wouuld add more removal and/or Blasting Station and take out Planar Bridge, Helm of Obedience, Ring of Three Wishes, and Cryptic Gateway. But if you like those kind of cards then by all means.I just think they eat too much mana and by the late game somebody will use a removal spell on something like that before things get out of hand.
2 weeks ago
Now I have changed this deck a lot. I renamed it into Bloodcraft because that is kinda what this deck is all about. Once this deck was built vs a certain match up. Now it is trying to be a bit more overall adapted towards anything.
I guess it has become more of an enchantment deck. Added in Squirrel Nest creating the squirrel craft combo. Also added in Rest in Peace - Leyline of the Void with Helm of Obedience making the hell of peace combo.
After that I decided that Zur the Enchanter would fit right in here.
3 weeks ago
Sorry for spam but Leyline of the Void it’s a bit pricy but prevents opponents for just gravestorming you but allows you to. And it goes infinite with Helm of Obedience. It’s a nice two piece game over that catches people off and both are decent enough on their own
3 weeks ago
Zedruu was my first deck, and aside from some differences in budget, I wanted to ask about a few of your specific choices.
The following cards I'm not sure why they were included in your list. Could you sell me on them? Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Am I missing a way to cheat his cost? Scroll Rack and Search for azcanta - Do you need more draw/advantage? Rule of Law -Aren't you the low curve+draw who would want to play multiple cards morseso than most? Temple Bell - Is it a combo I'm missing?
Others I'm already tempted by but haven't been able to test yet Humility - Absent of tokens and using a commander which gives card advantage, do you break parity? Dack Fayden I recently added Treasure Nabber, on top of running Embargo and Stony Silence- Do you think Dack performs well enough to still be included? Stranglehold is so powerful. I currently run Aven Mindcensor and love the effect. Why did you choose Strangle over Aven? Would it be worth running both? Helm of Obedience I'm just not familiar with. How much do you normally put into X? If X = 3 and it is 4 to cast, 7 cmc for a random creature... It could be great but I assume you'd hit a lot of 2-3 cmc creatures no? Copy Enchantment I recently added Copy Artifact reasoning that it could function as a rock as a minimum each game and has a high ceiling- but I'm not sure about copying enchantments since so many are static effects that are redundant to have multiple. Am I misperceiving it?
Finally, I was curious about your Solemnity. I run it as well and at the time it was great. Stopping +1/+1 counters, experience counters... But now I never see those. I love that it can combo well with Delaying Shield (in my case) and Phyrexian Unlife (in your case) but I don't know if that warrants keeping it.
1 month ago
@AquaticAce26, yeah, Luminarch Ascension is a fine win con - it definitely has synergy with the deck and the plan. The win cons in the deck can be a little fragile - like if you have Rest in Peace and someone destroys your Helm of Obedience, you have to shift to the other win. So in that sense, a third one-card win con is ok. On the other hand, having a very few dead cards for combo slots or wincons is one of the strengths of the deck. You could drop the voltron cards (Empyrial Armor and Cartouche of Ambition) and add Luminarch Ascension and maybe Replenish, if you want to stay at 2 wincons. Or you can just add it and go up to 3.
I'd probably try another board wipe against those decks instead of Illness in the Ranks. Massacre or Yahenni's Expertise. They're both vulnerable from their creature mana. I'd probably want to play another GY hoser, maybe leyline or Planar Void, which should help against blood pod and tasigur. Yeah.
I hear you on card prices... even 2 years ago Tabernacle was 400$. Should have bought a playset then. :/
2 months ago
If you're going competitive you should have All the best possible mana rocks and lands like I mentioned above. After that look into shifting the total CMC down. Anything more expensive than 3 CMC needs to have a very powerful effect.
Looking at your list I would remove every single 4+ drop if you're going this route.
As far as combos you're kind of limited in BW, the prices of these pieces are all over the place, some cheap, some prohibitively expensive:
Cast Angel's Grace or Teferi's Protection to make you immune to dying from life loss this turn, then cast Ad Nauseam to draw your deck, then cast Sickening Dreams, discarding the cards you just drew to ping everyone but yourself. This is best run in a deck with average CMC ~1.8 or lower in the case that you have to Ad Naus without Angels Grace. Support cards to consider: Glacial Chasm removes the damage you take from Sickening Dreams, and is a combo with the Urborg/Cabal Coffers package. Another support: Skirge Familiar can help you get there once you've Ad Naus'd.
OK this is some pretty spicy tech: You could run Doomsday, but that's could not should. Doomsday is best run in decks with access to Blue for Predict\Laboratory Maniac lines. Your lines would probably be something like: Doomsday -> Top of pile first: Street Wraith\Lions Eye Diamond\Conjurer's Bauble\Second Sunrise\Bitter Ordeal. Just google Doomsday lines.
OK, that was a lot! Hope this put you in the right direction.