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Helm of Obedience
(X), Tap: Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first. If a creature card is put into that graveyard this way, sacrifice Helm of Obedience and put that card into play under your control. X can't be 0.
Helm of Obedience Discussion
1 week ago
If that won't work, I'd recommend trying to use a very specific loop:
You need to start by making sure no one can reasonably do anything. Chains of Mephistopheles , Sensei's Divining Top and you being hellbent ( Oppression / Bottomless Pit and Chains help this) are all that is required. On each of your upkeeps, activate top, milling one card, placing top on the top of your deck. After that, you draw the top, replay it, and each turn you always can be assured you won't mill out. It lets you actually deck each opponent. Making it so no opponent can win isn't super easy, use effects like Humility , Winter Orb , Tangle Wire = Aminatou, Rest in Peace /Leyline/etc.
Now, many variants use Helm of Obedience with Rest in Peace / Leyline of the Void , or they run some Walker like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or any number of other easy walkers that win, but I haven't found it necessary.
BTW, this list is old, not updated fully with me currently testing War of the Spark and Modern Horizons cards.
1 week ago
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2 weeks ago
I'm not a 100% sure I understand and like the changes. Yes I understand that you want to go back to the more aikido way, but I really have the feeling you tuned down the powerlevel of the deck. I'm looking a bit at my list as well and I am making some changes too.
I did remove the Helm of Obedience combo as well, for me it was unfun and a lot of people experience it in the same way in my meta. Yes it is a finisher, but I don't think it's in the way of the deck. That kinda brings me to my next point, by removing so many wincons Dark Depths for example, also thing's like Insurrection seems like a wincon as well. In my opinion there is no problem with stalling the game and extending it (that's what this deck does) but we do need ways to close it, especially by using our opponents power. Right now I have the feeling this build will just stall and then stall some more.
Also maybe a Academy Rector ? Makes you go for your important enchantments and people are reluctant to attack you most of the time.
If it is worth anything, this is how I run it now. It's not in the most aikido way possible, but I try to keep the spirit alive. I kinda fell in love with playing a deck and calling it Mardu Control. Especially newer players go "wow, can red do that?" when I play a red counterspell or a copy spell.
I am really glad that you are updating the deck a bit more often. Please don't take my feedback in the wrong way. Your previous decklist resulted for me in one of the most fun decks I've played in my entire magic career (since legion). It took some while before I got used to it how to play it, but it is so awesome because it is so different. Maybe that's also the reason why I really want to give you this feedback and hopefully help improving (even if it is a little bit) your decklist.
So thank you for updating again and hopefully you have a bit more spare time in your personal life that you give us a bit more often a update of how the deck is being played :)
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2 weeks ago
UPDATE: I've but 20 cards to cut. 3 combos that are Wincons (4 any approve of Gisela, Blade of Goldnight + Heartless Hidetsugu ; which is hefty even w/ a possible adding of Sneak Attack ), One combo, Helm of Obedience + Rest in Peace that can be used to Mill the whole library of any number of opponents. Clock of Omens could help, but how to use it to keep untapping Helm of Obedience for infinity? & keep this Tier 3 Powered at least? Aurelia, the Warleader + Helm of the Host allows for infinite Combat Steps. & Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Felidar Guardian and/or Restoration Angel basically means Infinite Damage. But, yeah; Boros really wished it had a Hulk Combo of its own. "Boros Hulk" I'd dub it. All that said, what should I cut (or add?) for this deck, & if we're starting at Tier 3 Lever power, what would you recommend, or remove, & why?
I wonder of your opinions. Feather, the Redeemed shouldn't be the only being to reach Tier 3. Hell, Aminatou, the Fateshifter had a campaign of her own to Promote to Tier 2, & eventually, Tier 1; but failed, & was demoted back to Tier 3. What would you suggest?
2 weeks ago
Based on what I got thus far, I've a mass artifact base; ranging from Rocks to other things. Someone even said previously that Kataki, War's Wage would be very awful here due to my Artifice Base. Based on that person's intentions, The one who announced War on Kamigawa is rejected.
Already have Felidar Guardian , but I suppose I'll add Restoration Angel for infinite fliers. This is going to sound odd, but I believe based on your ideas, I should be cutting Eldrazi Displacer & the engine of stuff it can net. I just want your thoughts on them to continue pursuing even a Tier 3 Deck of this kind. As for Helm of Obedience + Rest in Peace , I'm trying to find a way to use this on all my opponents as well; also, like an Infinite combo you can stop when all opposition is Milled to death, & you still at least have your library. Also sounding weird, someone said Sneak Attack is garbage in this format! but it seems pretty good for stuff like Gisela, Blade of Goldnight + Heartless Hidetsugu . What is mentioned that if played early enough, Hidestsugu one shots all opposition. But a combo w/ 2 high costed creatures might seem like too much, & this deck's own "Hulk Combo" just seems like something out of colors... But even Prison needs a Wincon. I already have 3. But I've no idea how Smokestack & Assemble the Legion work together in the slightest. That being said, Clock of Omens is in for the use of infinite activations to Mill everything your opponents have; although spot removal for stuff like Laboratory Maniac & Jace, Wielder of Mysteries would also be amazing. Though if we're dealing with Tier 3 in this case, what is the current best deck of this Tier, & how does it win? Right now, I'm focusing on that Tier, even doing Decktesting when it's truly done. Maybe I'll ask the Lab Maniacs about this; this is merely a Progress to make cEDH Boros better & better overtime. Although one last question is worth asking: What's good in cEDH Boros that is in Modern Horizons, & I'm talking about Mono-, & Mono-. Anything good here? Finally, Everyone keeps saying Sunforger is FAR too slow here, even for Tier 3. Don't make me make a Package please, expect one if my Vorthos Deck has in it though. I hope my previous knowledge can help on this, maybe you might have any ideas for cuts? Just let me know as I chat w/ The Maniacs themselves...
I mean, Feather, the Redeemed was the first to reach Tier 3 status for Boros, can there be a 2nd? Or even one for the entire Color Identity? SP3CTR3_chelts, I just want to delve in the impossible in this case... Your thoughts?
3 weeks ago
TBH, it's up to you... Avacyn as Commander will protect some key-pieces from destruction, but only creatures, in other hand, Basandra will allow you to combo-off with abbilities in combat since your opponents can't answer in combat. So if you relay heavy in instant speed combos Basandra could be a good option. Of course if your combo depends on creatures, well... Avacyn.
There's others "boros" comanders but most of them depends on attacks turn by turn and not in "combos" so probably those are best options for you...
About Helm of Obedience , helm with 1 mana can Kill an opponent also if you have enough artifacts to activate Clock of Omens over your Helmet well... you can kill another player, even 3 at the same turn.
Also consider the new fetch land, Prismatic Vista .
I'd hope it helps!
3 weeks ago
@exec-MTG: I'll ask again about something: What would you reccomend for a cEDH Commander for RW?: Archangel Avacyn Flip or Basandra, Battle Seraph ? Also, anyway to reuse Helm of Obedience ? I'd really like to use that part for such a wincon. Finally, How do I edit my own posts outside of OPs (Essentially, posts after Forum Topic OPs & individual comments on decklists & the like.)? I'd like to know, please. It be good for the situation of cEDH Boros .
Helm of Obedience occurrence in decks from the last year
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