Turntimber Symbiosis

Sorcery

Look at the top seven cards of your library. You may put a creature card from among them onto the battlefield. If that card has converted mana cost/mana value 3 or less, it enters with three additional +1/+1 counters on it. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (41)

FadingReality on building

3 weeks ago

Last post here. This will be a list of suggestions. If I place an "***" next to one I strongly reccomend you try to find room for it. Regardless, all of these suggestions should be considered as I think they're all good. I wouldn't be suggesting them otherwise.

LANDS

MDFC's:

Bala Ged Recovery  ^Flip

Agadeem's Awakening  ^Flip

Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip

Fell the Profane  ^Flip*** (highly suggest cutting a basic swamp)

Disciple of Freyalise  ^Flip

Branchloft Pathway  ^Flip (swap with a basic if you get this)

Brightclimb Pathway  ^Flip (swap with a basic if you get this)

Darkbore Pathway  ^Flip (swap with a basic if you get this)

Normal lands:

Thespian's Stage

Wasteland*** (I suggested this as a swap actually but I wanna relist it here so you don't forget)

Dust Bowl*** (Strip mine, wasteland, and dust bowl are the best lands that kill lands in the game, period. Run these 3 and you do not need any others.

Path of Ancestry (3+ color decks are gonna want any-color lands. You'd be surprised)

Mana Confluence (3+ color decks are gonna want any-color lands. You'd be surprised)

City of Brass (3+ color decks are gonna want any-color lands. You'd be surprised)

Horizon of Progress*** (3+ color decks are gonna want any-color lands. You'd be suprised) (The reason I added asterisks here and not the other 5 color lands is its ramp ability. You are running 40 lands so that ability will do work AND it's sac/draw ability will also be nuts in your deck. Did I mention it also taps for all 5 colors AND colorless too? Lol such a good land for you and in general)

Glacial ChasmGC***

Underground Mortuary*** (helps with graveyard, is fetchable)

Lush Portico*** (helps with graveyard, is fetchable)

Shadowy Backstreet*** (helps with graveyard, is fetchable)

CREATURES

(You want several more "play additional land'' effects in this deck. Believe me the deck will be way more powerful with a critical mass of these effects.)

Ancient Greenwarden

Dryad of the Ilysian Grove***

Traveling Chocobo

Wayward Swordtooth***

The Gitrog Monster

ENCHANTMENTS

NecropotenceGC***

Attrition*** (you have tokens out the wazoo to sac. this is also repeatable, reusable removal on a stick. even if your opponent has black creatures, its still a sac outlet.)

Grave Pact (double value if you have this AND attrition out. I would've put asterisks here too, but idk if you have enough sac outlets. Its good without sac outlets obviously, but with more it would be an auto-inlcude as opposed to a very solid suggestion)

Survival of the FittestGC (would've put asterisks here too but you need roughly 25+ creatures before this is really worth running. This appears to be the case with most cedh decks that run this and it's also been my personal experience. This is a suggestion that you could include or ignore tbh.

ARTIFACTS

(RUN BOTH OF THESE!!! VERY IMPORTANT)

Conduit of Worlds*** (also gives you general recursion for every card in your deck except instants and sorceries)

Crucible of Worlds***

SORCERIES

Ravages of War****** (extra asterisks lol. This is a functional reprint of Armageddon. Doubles your chances of MLD!)

INSTANTS

Teferi's ProtectionGC (reason for this suggestion is it's heroic intervention #2 for the purposes of comboing with Armageddon/ravages of war. You'll destroy all lands on the board except your own. Be prepared for people to ragequit lmao.)

Optimator on Goblin Shenanigans (The Secret of Kiki Jiki)

2 years ago

Some cool lands to maybe think about for future upgrades:

Malakir Rebirth  ^Flip, Agadeem's Awakening  ^Flip, Bala Ged Recovery  ^Flip, Shatterskull Smashing  ^Flip, Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip, Valakut Awakening  ^Flip, Castle Locthwain, Castle Embereth

Cragcrown Pathway  ^Flip, Blightstep Pathway  ^Flip, Auntie's Hovel

I think your Reliquary Tower might be a bit ambitious; maybe replace it with Goblin Burrows or Den of the Bugbear for flavor? or Westvale Abbey  ^Flip!! No shortage of tokens to sacrifice!

Sleepysherlock on Saskia Fun-Fected Super Summer BLAST (Big n' WIDE)

2 years ago

Garruk, Cursed Huntsman, Regrowth, Goblin Anarchomancer, Decimate, Hull Breach, Klothys, God of Destiny, Cindervines, Xenagos, God of Revels, Return of the Wildspeaker, The Great Henge, Conduit of Worlds, Graveyard Trespasser  ^Flip, Bala Ged Recovery  ^Flip, Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip, Masked Vandal, Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Akroma's Will, Inscription of Abundance, Dromoka's Command, Austere Command, Binding the Old Gods, Growing Rites of Itlimoc  ^Flip, Legion's Landing  ^Flip, Assassin's Trophy, Deadly Dispute, Big Score, Hostile Negotiations, Plumb the Forbidden, White Sun's Twilight, Skullclamp, Blood for Bones, Victimize, Liliana, Dreadhorde General, Tyvar's Stand, Temur Battle Rage, Domri, Anarch of Bolas, Domri, Chaos Bringer, Mage Slayer, Embercleave, Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma, Hydra Omnivore, Ilharg, the Raze-Boar, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Kessig Wolf Run, Skarrg, the Rage Pits, Putrefy, Takenuma, Abandoned Mire, Staff of Compleation, Ashnod's Altar, Night's Whisper, Anoint with Affliction, Malakir Rebirth  ^Flip, Black Sun's Twilight, Infectious Bite, Mythos of Nethroi, Tainted Strike, Noxious Revival, Glissa Sunslayer, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Soul Shatter, Arguel's Blood Fast  ^Flip, Yawgmoth's Vile Offering, Rakdos Charm, Despark, Faithless Looting, Reconstruct History, Fracture, Blind Obedience, Thirsting Roots, Migloz, Maze Crusher, Apocalypse Hydra, Destined / Lead, Armed / Dangerous, Unearth, Taunting Elf,

DeinoStinkus on Jodah Big Spell

3 years ago

What do you think about the big MDFC cycle (Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip, Sea Gate Restoration  ^Flip, Emeria's Call  ^Flip)? Also, Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios  ^Flip is very fun for a deck that needs to ramp quickly, especially if combined with Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait.

The MDFCs will allow your deck to be a bit more flexible when it needs to be, with them never really being a dead draw.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Primer + SB Guide)

3 years ago

I ran Glittering Wish for a while (1 yr+ or so), but I found Fae of Wishes was a better wish option, since it had synergy with Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip and had more options when found with Mosswort Bridge. I ultimately cut it for Bring to Light in the current version. I definitely agree on The Gitrog Monster but I need a target for Bring to Light when I don't have Amulet of Vigor in play, and that was the best I could come up with. I am more than open to suggestions of an instant/sorcery or creature that does more at <= 5 CMC (4 or less would be ideal, as 5 CMC pushes it).

Lotus Cobra is also a card I ran for quite a while, and is okay, but doesn't really do much when we don't have lands in hand, and is less powerful than an extra land creature in most cases. If you can cast a titan, it is a free creature, since you get your mana back on the first land fetch, so it is pretty good. I view it as a less powerful Amulet of Vigor for all intents and purposes.

Wargate is a clunkier version of Bring to Light or Eladamri's Call (depending on CMC you want to find), so I prefer one of those two for the deck currently.

NotSquishedYet on Viga-BOOM! (Primer + SB Guide)

3 years ago

The Gitrog Monster and Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip stick out to me as maybe the weakest links. Grain of salt since I've never played with or against the deck. Thoughts on Glittering Wish, Lotus Cobra, Wargate? No idea if any of them would actually be good.

nbarry223 on Best Fae of Wishes Targets?

3 years ago

Great suggestions so far!

I really like Biorhythm as a sneaky wincon (going to keep it in mind in all future games I play, to see how often it would come up). Shark Typhoon is essentially a tutorable creature that you can sink mana into worst case, while also being a card you could build a deck around. Ensnaring Bridge is something I haven't considered surprisingly, but realistically the deck I run this in usually has too many cards in hand, so I couldn't use it as an out as easily as Worship could be used.

@wolfhead
It's really funny you mentioned Karn, the Great Creator and Glittering Wish because I transitioned from Glittering Wish to Fae of Wishes, and actually ran Karn, the Great Creator for a little bit too. In my deck, Mosswort Bridge doesn't care about CMC and lets me cast the adventure mode free, and Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip (it has upsides with Mosswort Bridge over other lands) feels much better hitting Fae of Wishes instead of Glittering Wish, so there's a fair bit of upside for this option over the other wishes.

@RNR_Gaming
Unfortunately, Fae of Wishes says noncreature, so 2/3 of those don't work. I'd also want something with more impact than Tormod's Crypt, like Rest in Peace, when you consider the opportunity cost of the wish. Free cards are good, don't get me wrong, but they need to be worth Fae of Wishes initial cost to even be considered. For example, Force of Vigor is a valid option.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Primer + SB Guide)

3 years ago

Finally went through and updated the description after all the swaps with the new tech. I think my 75 is pretty stable now and covers the weaknesses and matches I want it to cover. I found Inferno of the Star Mounts and Inferno Titan as some spicy options that help with the Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon matches, allowing me to play around the card, instead of trying to deal with it.

If I'm being honest, Inferno Titan is probably the weakest of my sideboard cards currently, but I can honestly get by without:

Chalice of the Void
Inferno of the Star Mounts
Inferno Titan

with Turntimber Symbiosis  ^Flip and Worship being next in line, although I really like what they do for the deck, so I'll probably be keeping these 2 options for the foreseeable future.

More than open to any suggestions anyone may have.