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Tempt with Vengeance
Tempting offer — Put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. Each opponent may put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. For each player who does, put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield.
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Tempt with Vengeance Discussion
5 days ago
3 weeks ago
Knollspine Dragon and Chancellor of the Forge weren't even on my radar, those seem fantastic. Just got a Tempt with Vengeance , so that's great! I already have a Tendershoot Dryad , so perhaps it'll take a slot till I find better alternatives. I've been gravitating towards things like War Cadence , Uphill Battle , Stoneshaker Shaman , Release the Gremlins , Overwhelming Instinct , Druids' Repository and Nacatl War-Pride .
Thanks very much mmcgeach. I appreciate it. It's going to be an experiment to see where the balance is, but I think it'll teach me a lot. If you're interested, I'll share the decklist with you when it's up.
1 month ago
@goldlion, I think most of the stax would be sort of irrelevant. You don't need harsh mentor if people aren't going infinite. You don't need thorn of amethyst if people aren't trying to storm off. Or Trinisphere. Etc.
I think you can sub out most of the stax for some bigger payoff finishers, and it'll work well in that kind of environment. You can also run more token makers so it functions sort of like a big-mana combo deck. Stuff like Chancellor of the Forge and Tempt with Vengeance are good; the planeswalkers are good; Tendershoot Dryad is ok. Then you can run some payoffs like Triumph of the Hordes and Shamanic Revelation . It's a pretty strong deck like that. Bane of Progress and Knollspine Dragon . I mention these in the write up above because they're sort of natural includes in a Radha deck if you're building for a less competitive meta; they don't work great in competitive but they do work well in more 75%-ish metas.
1 month ago
Some suggested cards by looking at your build:
Reclamation Sage - removal that you can recur.
Acidic Slime - ditto.
Ashnod's Altar - free sac outlet, ramp.
Beast Within - one of best removal spells in green.
Basilisk Collar - gains life, keeps opponents from attacking (death touch makes people weary of losing best attackee, and it becomes a board wipe with sharpshooter or thoctar - death touch, kill a creature repeat.
Below is a list of your non land cards and the role I see them in. I linked the cards that don't serve the end goal of going wide or comboing. I also high lighted cards that are either cost ineffective, or I found lack luster in my builds. Not recommending you cut them, just so you can look at them from another perspective. There are others that would be cut if needed to be more competitive and had the replacements.
1 drop (8).
1x Birds of Paradise - ramp/fix.
1x Elvish Mystic - ramp.
1x Llanowar Elves - ramp
1x Mortician Beetle - ??
1x Skullclamp - card draw.
1x Sol Ring - ramp.
1x Sudden Demise - ?
1x Tempt with Vengeance - ?
2 drop (10).
1x Blood Artist - combo piece.
1x farseek - ramp/mana fix.
1x Goblin Bombardment sac outlet/ combo piece.
1x Impact Tremors - combo piece
1x Rampant Growth - ramp/mana fix
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder - ramp/mana fix
1x Swiftfoot Boots - protection
1x Thought Vessel - ramp/unlimited hand
1x Wight of Precinct Six - ?
1x Zulaport Cutthroat - sac outlet 3 drop (17).
1x Awakening Zone - token producer.
1x Beastmaster Ascension - win con
1x Burnished Hart - ramp/mana fix
1x Catacomb Sifter - token producer/ scry
1x Champion of Lamb Holt - win con.
1x Commander's Sphere ramp/fix.
1x Cultivate - ramp/fix.
1x Eternal Witness - recursion
1x Fecundity - card draw.
1x Food Chain - combo engine.
1x Goblin Sharpshooter - win con
1x Growing Rites of Itlimoc - ramp.
1x Kodama's Reach - ramp/fix
1x Ophiomancer - token producer
1x Quagmire Druid - enchantment removal
1x Reincarnation - recursion
1x Stronghold Assassin - creature removal
4 drop (12).
1x Beast Whisperer - card draw
1x Brawn - give trample.
1x Grave Pact - stax piece.
1x Meren of Clan Nel Toth - recursion.
1x Ogre Battledriver - haste.
1x Parallel Lives - combo piece.
1x Pitiless Plunderer - combo piece.
1x Poison-Tip Archer - combo piece.
1x Purphoros, God of the Forge - combo piece.
1x Shattergang Brothers - stax?
1x Smothering Abomination - draw.
1x Xenagos, the Reveler - ramp/token producer
5 drop (6).
1x Doubling Season - combo piece.
1x Emrakul's Hatcher - token producer.
1x Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder - token producer
1x Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest - can make creatures real big.
1x Mycoloth - token producer
1x Xenagos, God of Revels - haste enabler for prossh.
6 drop (4).
1x Brood Monitor - token producer
1x Deathbringer Thoctar - combo piece
1x Dragonlair Spider - token producer.
1x Inferno Titan ??
7 drop (5).
1x Avenger of Zendikar - token producer.
1x Butcher of Malakir - stax.
1x Hornet Queen - token producer.
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One - recursion.
1x Stalking Vengeance - combo piece?
8 drop (1).
1x Woodfall Primus - removal. 9 drop (1).
1x In Garruk's Wake - removal.
12 drop (1).
1x It That Betrays - ??.
Let me know how this plays for you.
1 month ago
Phyrexian Infiltrator has in its activation cost thus is Dimir color identity.
And maybe if your playgroup tries to hate you out of the game Stunning Reversal might help leave you in it to keep the fun rolling.
1 month ago
Rite of the Raging Storm is a must in this deck because every turn you get a death trigger for Omnath and then your opponents get something to swing at each other. Also Tempt with Vengeance is an extremely easy and powerful way to arm yourself with tiny elementals.
2 months ago
I'm with Nexys here, I'm loving this deck. I might suggest some curses! It'll lead to a really fun dynamic, and attacks will be much more frequent. Cards like Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist, (Kraum, Ludevic's Opus is also good), Curse of the Nightly Hunt is devastating, Goblin Spymaster serves much the same purpose as the above, Curse of Opulence gets the chaos going early, Curse of Verbosity is mutually beneficial, and Minds Aglow, Tempt with Vengeance, and Tempt with Reflections can all help you feed off of the group's efforts.
2 months ago
There are a number of things I'd consider a bit underwhelming, either for the format or for how Brudiclad plays. For example, in my experience you don't want to rush your commander out in this case - he is best played on or a turn before you are going to swing city, so the Loyal Drake and Apprentice don't get you as much value in practice as in theory. Similarly Geode Golem, you want B-man in before combat not after.
If you are looking for Fireball or BSZ to be an alternative win condition - drop in a Rings of Brighthearth for your Basalt Monolith to be infinite BFFs with! There options for direct damage that are better when you don't have the mana combo online too, like Comet Storm or Jaya's Immolating Inferno, maybe Banefire depending on your playgroup. Another infinite combo is to use a Zealous Conscripts for Kiki-Jiki to play with.
Other stuff I'm not jazzed with would be:
- Mind Stone
- Mind's Eye (does nothing in multiples, is mana intensive, and blue should be able to do 'draw' better)
- Chief of the Foundry (what's another +1/+1 when you're turning a million of your guys into 6/12 tramplers or 6/6 flying dragons)
- Pia Nalaar's buffs are also pretty limited.
- OG Jhoira has very little to do with the strategy as far as I can see, other than you can cheat some of your fatties in - but then you need more clone spells to get tokens of them that you can copy, Quasiduplicate, Fated Infatuation and as previously said, Cackling Counterpart.
- Also you can't copy Ulamog effectively unless you are using Helm of the Host so something like Bane of Bala Ged which can gobble up those clone spells may even be better.
Tawnos is a borderline one, he's only good some of the time but I do like that he can double up Mimic Vat or Mirrorworks (could be a good add). Tamiyo's Journal and Kuldotha Forgemaster are excellent as a producer and user respectively of your overactive artifact factory.
OK, I've said loads, hope you think it's somewhat helpful. I'd love your and others counterpoints too. Here is my +1 and especially for including Shared Animosity - that is nifty!
Tempt with Vengeance occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
RG (Gruul): 0.16%
BRG (Jund): 0.09%